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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 14297" data-attributes="member: 313"><p>Gurfateh</p><p> </p><p>das is doing he should have not done and may akal forgive him.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Till you do not know how God is it will be foolsih to call God as imperfect.</p><p>It is perfection of God that our individual faces are distinct so in world also we can attach an image of a person with his/her apperant deeds.Say theve can be recogansi and do gooder is also recogansiable.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well it is surprisng that ever das said to not to tolrate but das would like you to tell that is it OK for you send your child with a person who is knwon child molester.If inspite of knowing this you do this then you are ideal but there will be a very few takers.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>In one or every filed when we have to move we need to be feasible if not optimal ie effeicent if not perfect.Das like your sprit but if in some cases like tolrating each other's firend without doubt evenn if confideance in each other does not there for even averge level then divorece will be done by themselves alltogather.</p><p> </p><p>Telling about place for imporvment is good for improvement like in school if passing marks are not given then failure is must or say lower grade is must to show the proper place.This is still there </p><p></p><p> </p><p>When did das said that we must not tolrate them who are fallen from Sikhi as matter of love there are been encouaged socalil to regain Sikhi.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>This means that a person who sees rapist doing rape and judgfe this and prevents rapist from act then as person who is preventing a rape is also is rapeist as that person has understood the word rapist in his mind.</p><p> </p><p>This is jatt logic to be more claer(Das would like to say that das has not usinf term for any race as his father also has realtions with Jaats of Haryana but there has been a lot of jattism or might is right even if it is intellectualism since Prof Gurumukh singh Ji.)</p><p></p><p> </p><p>first Page of Guru Granrh sahib Ji has term that nothing is in hand of created.All is in Hand of Akal.What das think or write or what you do or what Patit does is dome by Akal.Only this much is Gurubani.Das does not has entitly as 'my' mind as mind of whole universe is of Akal.mind of das is of Akal.many people who read all three books of Panth(seee Sarbloh.info) just know this but by mercy of Akal when it is realised then it salvation while being alive.</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Das is here talking about the Patithood as per standard of Gurmat.</p><p> </p><p>You want to say that if police files a case to all humans for murder then all will be found murderers s per law.</p><p> </p><p>A person who cuts hairs kills one form of Guru so cutting hair as per Vocbulary is Kes(Hair) Katal(killing).</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Well if you have met only negative people then das can say that there are many postive people also who stick by there priceples even if they are non belivers.Das could say that there are some people who after they get verification by law are without any illiegal act.So they get Job in your India.If all are illgealg act doer then we can say that no one would have got the govenmtment job.</p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 15px">Das can say that no one is doer at all but Patits are Patits by will of Akal and by will of Akal others from Khalsa orders try to uplift them back and result is in hand of Akal.</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 15px"></span></p><p>What is realtive meaning of word God.Or Say eternal.All words are in truth the word mentioned by das.It is not false but true as God is in it this is for anything.Anything is false without God but if god is seen in it then it is true.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>This is a wring genralised term as there are many who dies for the master and work as slave.Gurbani tells us to motivated for master creator.</p><p></p><p> </p><p>That does not happen in General as there are exeptions.</p><p> </p><p>Das got what you are saying.Yuo want to say that Patit due to personal reason defends patithood say he himself is or say his family memeb4erfs are and one without any patithood will defend it.</p><p> </p><p>In case of Das das keeps on askinfg the Resepected Sikhs online on this forum often(see varous post of das in Q& a) to see how das is conducting and if something wrong is done any persona can under go Tankhy ceromony.</p><p> </p><p>Problem here is that there has been many attempts to follow personal expirance then taking and listening to others.</p><p> </p><p>Say das eats meat but does behold Sikhs who are vegitarians higher then das.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>If you are in India das would like you to go to Nepal border and you will know that what Das was doing in past.</p><p> </p><p>Read Dasham Granth.Guru talks of Panj Peers or five elder savour and one of them is Tupak or Small Gun(of Cannon).</p><p> </p><p>Yuo must know that on Gun Sangeen or Buynut we use which is also like Kirpan.</p><p> </p><p>Lastly in Urban warfare(to reduce collatral damge) and in Coomando raids knife or kirpan is used.Fuinal assult of Gorkhs is Khukari.</p><p> </p><p>in battle of Chiliyanwali(in london there is memorial of it) Kirpan won Cannons.So was in charge of light brigade.</p><p> </p><p>There were mnay like you which das saw in 1984 riots when das as child was a viwer of mob to kill sikhs.Who waited for gun but latter changed thier appearance to save thier bloody life.And there werem nay who used Kirpan to defend many.</p><p> </p><p>anyway Das know how to use the both and cann take care of more 15 people with is 1.5 ' Kirpan(visit the site of Ustad of das during his stay in UK Shastervidiya.com)</p><p></p><p> </p><p>yuo should have seen that when 8 Sikhs Caputred Tiger hill they had Buynuts or not and thier valure without any spritual eduction but faith in God made them win.</p><p> </p><p>It is very strange about the army which you are calling mere spritual and not on greouand.Gurmat is anti Hypocracy where a person what is in mind and sprit so is in appearance.</p><p> </p><p>We still are and as told by Guru will reamin as in Mind as in Sprit and as in Form till world ends.Thgere will be many desteres who have destered and wants other to do so they will come and Go and we will not.</p><p> </p><p>There are and will be many spritual armies in many faiths who were made and destorued as they were restricted till sprit or heart only and did not come out practically on grouond and were vanishing But we are increaseing and we will keep on increasing.</p><p> </p><p>Only thing is as Nihungs say Khot(un pure who want to put thier indivdual minds(man) Views(Matt)) are getting out and Pure Gurmat(Mind of Guru Akal )is coming in.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Das is surprise to know that why are you calling Japnnesss who are very much like sikhs in thier Shintoism when they talk of being one with universe are patits.Its upto you.</p><p> </p><p>But rember one thing Das has no knlwoedge that they did kill younger female child after getting Amrit SansKar(Baptism) of Khalsahood.</p><p></p><p>by the way when Guru santhched the swaord from Muslims or used there things in his mission what logic made himm Muslim or when he killed Masands by burning them alive for anti Sikh activiyies utilised tier assests for human welfARE we becomes Patit or masand.</p><p> </p><p>Das can sayu one thing you can talk of soacity where rule of law does not exist.You can say that rapist or murder by breaking law is equal to say one who kills Goat.</p><p> </p><p>But yuo are sitting in freedom due to there are rules which restricts the absolutes freedoms of other.</p><p> </p><p>Had rule of Khalsa was not there then even after 1999 kargill war(there was more casualties in Patit then also) then you may not been enjoying the freedom of targeting another member muslim had yo9u been in India.</p><p> </p><p>das wants to telll all those who say like Swami Dayanand that Khalsa was needed only for some time frame and not needed know.</p><p> </p><p>Vedas or castes like Luthra,Arorera,virk ,Sah or Solanki made before Khalsa still have relavence but Khalsa has no relvence.</p><p> </p><p>As per Sarbloh Granth Guru Talks of unprecednted spritual person called Khalsa with Kachchh Kes Kirpan.</p><p> </p><p>That Army is still on the task of Guru as Guru still rests in it.It has the task to elimnaite all those who try to exploit others often in name of God and those people were weaken by Khalsa but still are there and till they are ended we are on the Job.Once evil is elimnated then we will reaim safegurad that it does not return.</p><p> </p><p>thats what Guru said and thats what will happen Akal's willing.If some one does not bea part of us he/she can desert us.But no one can take away from us the right to call spade a spade,A deseter a deserter,A Murders a murdrer,A patit a patit.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 14297, member: 313"] Gurfateh das is doing he should have not done and may akal forgive him. Till you do not know how God is it will be foolsih to call God as imperfect. It is perfection of God that our individual faces are distinct so in world also we can attach an image of a person with his/her apperant deeds.Say theve can be recogansi and do gooder is also recogansiable. Well it is surprisng that ever das said to not to tolrate but das would like you to tell that is it OK for you send your child with a person who is knwon child molester.If inspite of knowing this you do this then you are ideal but there will be a very few takers. In one or every filed when we have to move we need to be feasible if not optimal ie effeicent if not perfect.Das like your sprit but if in some cases like tolrating each other's firend without doubt evenn if confideance in each other does not there for even averge level then divorece will be done by themselves alltogather. Telling about place for imporvment is good for improvement like in school if passing marks are not given then failure is must or say lower grade is must to show the proper place.This is still there When did das said that we must not tolrate them who are fallen from Sikhi as matter of love there are been encouaged socalil to regain Sikhi. This means that a person who sees rapist doing rape and judgfe this and prevents rapist from act then as person who is preventing a rape is also is rapeist as that person has understood the word rapist in his mind. This is jatt logic to be more claer(Das would like to say that das has not usinf term for any race as his father also has realtions with Jaats of Haryana but there has been a lot of jattism or might is right even if it is intellectualism since Prof Gurumukh singh Ji.) first Page of Guru Granrh sahib Ji has term that nothing is in hand of created.All is in Hand of Akal.What das think or write or what you do or what Patit does is dome by Akal.Only this much is Gurubani.Das does not has entitly as 'my' mind as mind of whole universe is of Akal.mind of das is of Akal.many people who read all three books of Panth(seee Sarbloh.info) just know this but by mercy of Akal when it is realised then it salvation while being alive. Das is here talking about the Patithood as per standard of Gurmat. You want to say that if police files a case to all humans for murder then all will be found murderers s per law. A person who cuts hairs kills one form of Guru so cutting hair as per Vocbulary is Kes(Hair) Katal(killing). Well if you have met only negative people then das can say that there are many postive people also who stick by there priceples even if they are non belivers.Das could say that there are some people who after they get verification by law are without any illiegal act.So they get Job in your India.If all are illgealg act doer then we can say that no one would have got the govenmtment job. [SIZE=4]Das can say that no one is doer at all but Patits are Patits by will of Akal and by will of Akal others from Khalsa orders try to uplift them back and result is in hand of Akal. [/SIZE] What is realtive meaning of word God.Or Say eternal.All words are in truth the word mentioned by das.It is not false but true as God is in it this is for anything.Anything is false without God but if god is seen in it then it is true. This is a wring genralised term as there are many who dies for the master and work as slave.Gurbani tells us to motivated for master creator. That does not happen in General as there are exeptions. Das got what you are saying.Yuo want to say that Patit due to personal reason defends patithood say he himself is or say his family memeb4erfs are and one without any patithood will defend it. In case of Das das keeps on askinfg the Resepected Sikhs online on this forum often(see varous post of das in Q& a) to see how das is conducting and if something wrong is done any persona can under go Tankhy ceromony. Problem here is that there has been many attempts to follow personal expirance then taking and listening to others. Say das eats meat but does behold Sikhs who are vegitarians higher then das. If you are in India das would like you to go to Nepal border and you will know that what Das was doing in past. Read Dasham Granth.Guru talks of Panj Peers or five elder savour and one of them is Tupak or Small Gun(of Cannon). Yuo must know that on Gun Sangeen or Buynut we use which is also like Kirpan. Lastly in Urban warfare(to reduce collatral damge) and in Coomando raids knife or kirpan is used.Fuinal assult of Gorkhs is Khukari. in battle of Chiliyanwali(in london there is memorial of it) Kirpan won Cannons.So was in charge of light brigade. There were mnay like you which das saw in 1984 riots when das as child was a viwer of mob to kill sikhs.Who waited for gun but latter changed thier appearance to save thier bloody life.And there werem nay who used Kirpan to defend many. anyway Das know how to use the both and cann take care of more 15 people with is 1.5 ' Kirpan(visit the site of Ustad of das during his stay in UK Shastervidiya.com) yuo should have seen that when 8 Sikhs Caputred Tiger hill they had Buynuts or not and thier valure without any spritual eduction but faith in God made them win. It is very strange about the army which you are calling mere spritual and not on greouand.Gurmat is anti Hypocracy where a person what is in mind and sprit so is in appearance. We still are and as told by Guru will reamin as in Mind as in Sprit and as in Form till world ends.Thgere will be many desteres who have destered and wants other to do so they will come and Go and we will not. There are and will be many spritual armies in many faiths who were made and destorued as they were restricted till sprit or heart only and did not come out practically on grouond and were vanishing But we are increaseing and we will keep on increasing. Only thing is as Nihungs say Khot(un pure who want to put thier indivdual minds(man) Views(Matt)) are getting out and Pure Gurmat(Mind of Guru Akal )is coming in. Das is surprise to know that why are you calling Japnnesss who are very much like sikhs in thier Shintoism when they talk of being one with universe are patits.Its upto you. But rember one thing Das has no knlwoedge that they did kill younger female child after getting Amrit SansKar(Baptism) of Khalsahood. by the way when Guru santhched the swaord from Muslims or used there things in his mission what logic made himm Muslim or when he killed Masands by burning them alive for anti Sikh activiyies utilised tier assests for human welfARE we becomes Patit or masand. Das can sayu one thing you can talk of soacity where rule of law does not exist.You can say that rapist or murder by breaking law is equal to say one who kills Goat. But yuo are sitting in freedom due to there are rules which restricts the absolutes freedoms of other. Had rule of Khalsa was not there then even after 1999 kargill war(there was more casualties in Patit then also) then you may not been enjoying the freedom of targeting another member muslim had yo9u been in India. das wants to telll all those who say like Swami Dayanand that Khalsa was needed only for some time frame and not needed know. Vedas or castes like Luthra,Arorera,virk ,Sah or Solanki made before Khalsa still have relavence but Khalsa has no relvence. As per Sarbloh Granth Guru Talks of unprecednted spritual person called Khalsa with Kachchh Kes Kirpan. That Army is still on the task of Guru as Guru still rests in it.It has the task to elimnaite all those who try to exploit others often in name of God and those people were weaken by Khalsa but still are there and till they are ended we are on the Job.Once evil is elimnated then we will reaim safegurad that it does not return. thats what Guru said and thats what will happen Akal's willing.If some one does not bea part of us he/she can desert us.But no one can take away from us the right to call spade a spade,A deseter a deserter,A Murders a murdrer,A patit a patit. [/QUOTE]
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