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<blockquote data-quote="Caspian" data-source="post: 136105" data-attributes="member: 5962"><p>So I decided to make this post after reading a quote by MaiHarinderKaur in response to the thread entitled "ashamed to be a sikh"</p><p></p><p>In response to the author's suggestion of increasing the inquiry into dubious sikh stories and history. She responded saying:</p><p></p><p>"As to not believing our history, next you'll be trying to convince me that Baba Deep Singh didn't really carry his head in one hand and fight with his sword in the other. Be careful. Be very, very careful." - MaiHarinderKaur</p><p> </p><p>However, as the following bit of text from wikipedia reveals:</p><p><strong>Martyrdom - Two Versions</strong></p><p></p><p> According to the Sikh legend, Baba Deep Singh had vowed to avenge the desecration of the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmandir_Sahib" target="_blank">Golden Temple</a> by the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Afghanistan" target="_blank">Afghan</a> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army" target="_blank">army</a>. In 1757, he led an army to defend the Golden Temple. The Sikhs and the Afghans clashed, in the battle of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar" target="_blank">Amritsar</a>, at the village of Gohalwar on November 11, 1757,<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-8" target="_blank">[9]</a></sup> and in the ensuing conflict Baba Deep Singh was decapitated.<sup id="cite_ref-deol_9-0" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-deol-9" target="_blank">[10]</a></sup></p><p> <strong>[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baba_Deep_Singh&action=edit&section=6" target="_blank">edit</a>] Version One</strong></p><p></p><p> The first version has it that Deep Singh continued to fight after having been decapitated, slaying his enemies with his head in one hand and his sword in the other.<sup id="cite_ref-deol_9-1" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-deol-9" target="_blank">[10]</a></sup> In this version, only upon reaching the sacred city of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar" target="_blank">Amritsar</a> did he stop and finally die.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-10" target="_blank">[11]</a></sup> This tale recalls the words of the first Guru, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Nanak_Dev_Ji" target="_blank">Guru Nanak Dev Ji</a>:<p style="margin-left: 20px"> Shouldst thou wish to play the game of love,</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">come unto my Path with thy head on thy palm.</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">And, once you step unto this path,</p> <p style="margin-left: 20px">You may well give up thy head, rather than the cause.<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-11" target="_blank">[12]</a></sup></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p><strong>[<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baba_Deep_Singh&action=edit&section=7" target="_blank">edit</a>] Version Two</strong></p><p></p><p> In the other version it is said <em>"Fighting bravely Singhs pushed the army back and reached village Chabba where General Attal Khan came forward and inflicted a blow on Baba Deep Singh ji which made his neck lean to one side. A Sikh reminded him, "You had resolved to reach the periphery of the pool." On hearing the talk of the Sikh, he supported his head with his left hand and removing the enemies from his way with the strokes of his double-edged sword with his right hand, reached the periphery of Harmindar Sahib where he breathed his last. The Singhs celebrated the Bandhi-Sor Divas of 1757 A.D. in Harminder Sahib"</em>.<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-12" target="_blank">[13]</a></sup></p><p> The Sikhs recovered their prestige by defeating the Afghan army and the latter were forced to flee.<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-13" target="_blank">[14]</a></sup></p><p> The spot where the legend Baba Deep Singh's head fell is marked in the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmandir_Sahib" target="_blank">Golden Temple</a> complex, and Sikhs from around the world pay their respects there. Baba Deep Singh's 30 kg<sup class="Template-Fact" title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from February 2009" style="white-space: nowrap;">[<em><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed" target="_blank">citation needed</a></em>]</sup><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanda_%28sword%29" target="_blank">Khanda</a> (double-edged sword), which he used in his final battle, is still preserved at <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takht_Sri_Hazur_Sahib" target="_blank">Takht Sri Hazur Sahib</a>, one of the five centers of temporal Sikh authority.</p><p></p><p></p><p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#Martyrdom_-_Two_Versions" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#Martyrdom_-_Two_Versions</a></p><p></p><p></p><p>There are two counts of his martyrdom. And one account is vastly more believable then the other account. Inquiery into these kinds of stories would help the sikh community in general. I dont see why the majority of sikhs are so against the raising of these issues. Indeed, maiharinderkaur told the author of the previous thread to be very carful of what he suggests—but a simple google search reveals that there IS debate around the very example she (along with many sikhs) consider to be a matter of fact. </p><p></p><p>Would it be in poor taste for me to now suggest that instead of people having to be very careful about the criticism they lay on sikhi—shouldnt sikhs be very careful about the stories they willfully believe without researching?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Caspian, post: 136105, member: 5962"] So I decided to make this post after reading a quote by MaiHarinderKaur in response to the thread entitled "ashamed to be a sikh" In response to the author's suggestion of increasing the inquiry into dubious sikh stories and history. She responded saying: "As to not believing our history, next you'll be trying to convince me that Baba Deep Singh didn't really carry his head in one hand and fight with his sword in the other. Be careful. Be very, very careful." - MaiHarinderKaur However, as the following bit of text from wikipedia reveals: [B]Martyrdom - Two Versions[/B] According to the Sikh legend, Baba Deep Singh had vowed to avenge the desecration of the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmandir_Sahib"]Golden Temple[/url] by the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demography_of_Afghanistan"]Afghan[/url] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army"]army[/url]. In 1757, he led an army to defend the Golden Temple. The Sikhs and the Afghans clashed, in the battle of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar"]Amritsar[/url], at the village of Gohalwar on November 11, 1757,<sup id="cite_ref-8" class="reference">[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-8"][9][/URL]</sup> and in the ensuing conflict Baba Deep Singh was decapitated.<sup id="cite_ref-deol_9-0" class="reference">[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-deol-9"][10][/URL]</sup> [B][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baba_Deep_Singh&action=edit§ion=6"]edit[/URL]] Version One[/B] The first version has it that Deep Singh continued to fight after having been decapitated, slaying his enemies with his head in one hand and his sword in the other.<sup id="cite_ref-deol_9-1" class="reference">[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-deol-9"][10][/URL]</sup> In this version, only upon reaching the sacred city of [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amritsar"]Amritsar[/url] did he stop and finally die.<sup id="cite_ref-10" class="reference">[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-10"][11][/URL]</sup> This tale recalls the words of the first Guru, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Nanak_Dev_Ji"]Guru Nanak Dev Ji[/url]:[INDENT] Shouldst thou wish to play the game of love, come unto my Path with thy head on thy palm. And, once you step unto this path, You may well give up thy head, rather than the cause.<sup id="cite_ref-11" class="reference">[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-11"][12][/URL]</sup> [/INDENT][B][[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Baba_Deep_Singh&action=edit§ion=7"]edit[/URL]] Version Two[/B] In the other version it is said [I]"Fighting bravely Singhs pushed the army back and reached village Chabba where General Attal Khan came forward and inflicted a blow on Baba Deep Singh ji which made his neck lean to one side. A Sikh reminded him, "You had resolved to reach the periphery of the pool." On hearing the talk of the Sikh, he supported his head with his left hand and removing the enemies from his way with the strokes of his double-edged sword with his right hand, reached the periphery of Harmindar Sahib where he breathed his last. The Singhs celebrated the Bandhi-Sor Divas of 1757 A.D. in Harminder Sahib"[/I].<sup id="cite_ref-12" class="reference">[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-12"][13][/URL]</sup> The Sikhs recovered their prestige by defeating the Afghan army and the latter were forced to flee.<sup id="cite_ref-13" class="reference">[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#cite_note-13"][14][/URL]</sup> The spot where the legend Baba Deep Singh's head fell is marked in the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmandir_Sahib"]Golden Temple[/url] complex, and Sikhs from around the world pay their respects there. Baba Deep Singh's 30 kg<sup class="Template-Fact" title="This claim needs references to reliable sources from February 2009" style="white-space: nowrap;">[[I][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/url][/I]]</sup>[URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanda_%28sword%29"]Khanda[/URL] (double-edged sword), which he used in his final battle, is still preserved at [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Takht_Sri_Hazur_Sahib"]Takht Sri Hazur Sahib[/url], one of the five centers of temporal Sikh authority. [URL]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Deep_Singh#Martyrdom_-_Two_Versions[/URL] There are two counts of his martyrdom. And one account is vastly more believable then the other account. Inquiery into these kinds of stories would help the sikh community in general. I dont see why the majority of sikhs are so against the raising of these issues. Indeed, maiharinderkaur told the author of the previous thread to be very carful of what he suggests—but a simple google search reveals that there IS debate around the very example she (along with many sikhs) consider to be a matter of fact. Would it be in poor taste for me to now suggest that instead of people having to be very careful about the criticism they lay on sikhi—shouldnt sikhs be very careful about the stories they willfully believe without researching? [/QUOTE]
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