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Gurbani (696-703)
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Dasam Granth Ji - Its History By Daljeet Singh
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<blockquote data-quote="Inder singh" data-source="post: 73909" data-attributes="member: 5795"><p><<<<<Actually the Recompilation of the Kartarpuri Pothi Sahib ( compiled by Guru Arjun Ji written down by Bhai Gurdass Ji and paraksh at Harmandar sahib in 1666) by the ADDITION of the Gurbani uttered by Guru TEG BAHADUR JI at Damdama sahib was called DASMAH PATSHAH DA GRANTH to distinguish it from the Kartarpuri Bir as that didnt have the Gurbani of Ninth Guru sahib.</p><p>This was also called the Damdami Bir as it was written by BHAI MANI SINGH at Damdama sahib Sabo ki talwandi. THIS copy was given GURGADHI by Guru Ji at nanded in 1708 and mandatory Sabh Sikhan ko HUKAM HAI Guru Maniyo Granth. Although this cnat be proven it is the most plausible answer to the question of why "Dasmah patshah da Granth" would be used in the first place.>>>></p><p></p><p>Response</p><p></p><p>The above is wrong and misleading.We had two birs of Dasam Granth in 1697 and 1698 called anadpuri bir and patna sahib wali bir.They are still there.</p><p></p><p>Dasam granth was Dasama padshah ka Granth.Refer to Sketch of sikhs by John malcolm.He visited Punjab in 1805.Read below</p><p></p><p style="text-align: center">Note: The following is an excerpt from a book, <strong><em>Sketch of the Sikhs, a singular nation in the province of Penjab</em></strong>,written by Sir John Malcolm<strong>*</strong> in 1812. <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">John Malcolm’s work is one of the rarest firsthand information recorded by a western historian on the lifestyle, belief systems and traditions of the Sikhs in Punjab during the 18th century .</span></p> <p style="text-align: center"></p> <p style="text-align: center"><strong>Guru-mata</strong></p><p> </p><p> When Gurmata or great national council, is called, (as it always is, or ought to be, when any imminent danger threatens the country, or any large expedition is to be undertaken) all the Sikh chiefs assemble at Amritsar. The assembly, which is called the Guru-mata, is convened by the Acalis; and when the chiefs meet upon this solemn occasion, it is concluded that all private animosities cease, and that every main sacrifices his personal feelings at the shrine of the general good; and, actuated by principles of pure patriotism, thinks of nothing but the interests of the religion, and commonwealth, to which he belongs. </p><p> </p><p> When the chiefs and principal leaders are seated, the <strong>Adi-Granth and Dasama Padshah ka Granth are placed before them</strong>. They all bend their heads before these scriptures, and exclaim, Wa! Guruji ka Khalsa! Wa! Guruji ki Fateh! A great quantity of cakes, made of wheat, butter, and sugar, are then placed before the volumes of their sacred writings, and covered with a cloth. These holy cakes, which are in commemoration of the injunction of Nanac, to eat and to give to others to eat, next receive the salutation of the assembly, who then rise, and the Acalis pray aloud, while the musicians play. The Acalis, then the prayers are finished, desire the council to be seated. They sit down, and the cakes being uncovered, are eaten of by all classes of Sikhs: those distinctions of original tribes, which are, on occasions, kept up, being on this occasion laid aside, in token of their general and complete union in one cause. The Acalis then exclaim: "Sirdars! (Chiefs) this is Guru-mata!" on which prayers are again said aloud. The chiefs, after this sit closer, and say to each other: "The sacred Granth is betwixt us, let us swear by our scripture to forget all internal disputes, and to be united." This moment of religious fervor and ardent patriotism, is taken to reconcile all animosities. They then proceed to consider the danger with whcih they are threatened, to settle the best plans for averting it, and to choose the generals who are to lead their armies against the common enemy. The first Guru-mata was assembled by Guru Govinid; and the latest was called in 1805, when the British army pursued Holkar into the Penjab. </p><p> </p><p> <strong><em>(pages. 120-123)</em></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">________________________</span></strong></p><p> <strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">*Sir John Malcolm</span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"> (May 2, 1769 ‑ 1833) was a Scottish soldier, statesman, and historian. He held various distinguished posts, being Ambassador to Persia, Resident of Gwalior (1803-1804) and Governor of Bombay 1827-1830. He was the author of several valuable works regarded as authorities, viz., <strong><em>Sketch of the Sikhs, a singular nation in the province of Penjab </em>(1812)</strong><em>, </em> <em>A History of Persia</em> (1815), <em>Memoir of Central India</em> (1823), <em>Political History of India from 1784 to 1823</em> (1826), and <em>Life of Lord Clive</em> (1836).</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Unquote</p><p> </p><p><<<<<<The infamous Bhai mani Singh "Letter" to mata Ji wife of Guru Ji at delhi has been proved to be a FAKE. This letter is always quoted by thsoe in favour of the Dasm garnth as it mentions it - this FAKE letter kills two birds with one stone - Firstly it claims Bhai mani Singh wote the DG and secondly it claims that Wife of Guru Ji gave her assent to its writing.>>>></p><p></p><p>Response</p><p>only those are fake who call this letter as fake.Bhai mani singh Di bir is still there.There are dates in that.</p><p> </p><p><<<<<The Established claim to the UNCHALLENGEABLE AUTHENTICITY of SGGS rests on the Fact that the GURUS themsleves wrote it, and sealed it to prevent adeulteration of any kind. No other religious scripture of any other religion has this AUTHENTICITY. The DG FAILS on this account - Guru Ji DIDNT write it ( bhai mani Singh is said to have done so AFTER many years of Guru Jis passing away)..and thus it is like the other scriptures which were written long after the founders were gone.>>></p><p></p><p>Response</p><p></p><p>Both Granths are not rivals.One is our spiritual guide and given the status of guru.The other deals with organizational set up of sikhs.</p><p></p><p><<< Thus the GURU KHALSA PANTH in the Tabiah of the GURU GRANTH JI will have to sit down and SIFT through the DG and take what is ankool ( compliant with SGGS) and REJECT what is anti-Gurbani and clealry pornographic/objectionable.</p><p>What is generally accepted as per SGGS is Jaap Sahib, Swaiyahs Tav Parsaad, some parts of Akal Ustatt, Zafarnamah etc ( this list is not exhausted) Since this DG is NOT authenticated by the GURUS like SGGS is...it can be discussed without getting into fights.</p><p>Gyani jarnail Singh>>>>></p><p></p><p>Response</p><p></p><p>Bani of tenth master is gurbani.Those who call it pornographic have pornography in their minds.</p><p></p><p>i challenge you to put verses from Dasam Granth here and i will reply to that with my meagre understanding as i have read Dasam Granth myselkf.Have you read it?you people haev carried enough propaganda so far.</p><p></p><p>Inder singh</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Inder singh, post: 73909, member: 5795"] <<<<<Actually the Recompilation of the Kartarpuri Pothi Sahib ( compiled by Guru Arjun Ji written down by Bhai Gurdass Ji and paraksh at Harmandar sahib in 1666) by the ADDITION of the Gurbani uttered by Guru TEG BAHADUR JI at Damdama sahib was called DASMAH PATSHAH DA GRANTH to distinguish it from the Kartarpuri Bir as that didnt have the Gurbani of Ninth Guru sahib. This was also called the Damdami Bir as it was written by BHAI MANI SINGH at Damdama sahib Sabo ki talwandi. THIS copy was given GURGADHI by Guru Ji at nanded in 1708 and mandatory Sabh Sikhan ko HUKAM HAI Guru Maniyo Granth. Although this cnat be proven it is the most plausible answer to the question of why "Dasmah patshah da Granth" would be used in the first place.>>>> Response The above is wrong and misleading.We had two birs of Dasam Granth in 1697 and 1698 called anadpuri bir and patna sahib wali bir.They are still there. Dasam granth was Dasama padshah ka Granth.Refer to Sketch of sikhs by John malcolm.He visited Punjab in 1805.Read below [CENTER]Note: The following is an excerpt from a book, [B][I]Sketch of the Sikhs, a singular nation in the province of Penjab[/I][/B],written by Sir John Malcolm[B]*[/B] in 1812. [FONT=Arial]John Malcolm’s work is one of the rarest firsthand information recorded by a western historian on the lifestyle, belief systems and traditions of the Sikhs in Punjab during the 18th century .[/FONT][/CENTER] [CENTER] [/CENTER] [CENTER][B]Guru-mata[/B][/CENTER] When Gurmata or great national council, is called, (as it always is, or ought to be, when any imminent danger threatens the country, or any large expedition is to be undertaken) all the Sikh chiefs assemble at Amritsar. The assembly, which is called the Guru-mata, is convened by the Acalis; and when the chiefs meet upon this solemn occasion, it is concluded that all private animosities cease, and that every main sacrifices his personal feelings at the shrine of the general good; and, actuated by principles of pure patriotism, thinks of nothing but the interests of the religion, and commonwealth, to which he belongs. When the chiefs and principal leaders are seated, the [B]Adi-Granth and Dasama Padshah ka Granth are placed before them[/B]. They all bend their heads before these scriptures, and exclaim, Wa! Guruji ka Khalsa! Wa! Guruji ki Fateh! A great quantity of cakes, made of wheat, butter, and sugar, are then placed before the volumes of their sacred writings, and covered with a cloth. These holy cakes, which are in commemoration of the injunction of Nanac, to eat and to give to others to eat, next receive the salutation of the assembly, who then rise, and the Acalis pray aloud, while the musicians play. The Acalis, then the prayers are finished, desire the council to be seated. They sit down, and the cakes being uncovered, are eaten of by all classes of Sikhs: those distinctions of original tribes, which are, on occasions, kept up, being on this occasion laid aside, in token of their general and complete union in one cause. The Acalis then exclaim: "Sirdars! (Chiefs) this is Guru-mata!" on which prayers are again said aloud. The chiefs, after this sit closer, and say to each other: "The sacred Granth is betwixt us, let us swear by our scripture to forget all internal disputes, and to be united." This moment of religious fervor and ardent patriotism, is taken to reconcile all animosities. They then proceed to consider the danger with whcih they are threatened, to settle the best plans for averting it, and to choose the generals who are to lead their armies against the common enemy. The first Guru-mata was assembled by Guru Govinid; and the latest was called in 1805, when the British army pursued Holkar into the Penjab. [B][I](pages. 120-123)[/I][/B] [B][FONT=Arial]________________________[/FONT][/B] [B][FONT=Arial]*Sir John Malcolm[/FONT][/B][FONT=Arial] (May 2, 1769 ‑ 1833) was a Scottish soldier, statesman, and historian. He held various distinguished posts, being Ambassador to Persia, Resident of Gwalior (1803-1804) and Governor of Bombay 1827-1830. He was the author of several valuable works regarded as authorities, viz., [B][I]Sketch of the Sikhs, a singular nation in the province of Penjab [/I](1812)[/B][I], [/I] [I]A History of Persia[/I] (1815), [I]Memoir of Central India[/I] (1823), [I]Political History of India from 1784 to 1823[/I] (1826), and [I]Life of Lord Clive[/I] (1836).[/FONT] [FONT=Helvetica][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/FONT] Unquote <<<<<<The infamous Bhai mani Singh "Letter" to mata Ji wife of Guru Ji at delhi has been proved to be a FAKE. This letter is always quoted by thsoe in favour of the Dasm garnth as it mentions it - this FAKE letter kills two birds with one stone - Firstly it claims Bhai mani Singh wote the DG and secondly it claims that Wife of Guru Ji gave her assent to its writing.>>>> Response only those are fake who call this letter as fake.Bhai mani singh Di bir is still there.There are dates in that. <<<<<The Established claim to the UNCHALLENGEABLE AUTHENTICITY of SGGS rests on the Fact that the GURUS themsleves wrote it, and sealed it to prevent adeulteration of any kind. No other religious scripture of any other religion has this AUTHENTICITY. The DG FAILS on this account - Guru Ji DIDNT write it ( bhai mani Singh is said to have done so AFTER many years of Guru Jis passing away)..and thus it is like the other scriptures which were written long after the founders were gone.>>> Response Both Granths are not rivals.One is our spiritual guide and given the status of guru.The other deals with organizational set up of sikhs. <<< Thus the GURU KHALSA PANTH in the Tabiah of the GURU GRANTH JI will have to sit down and SIFT through the DG and take what is ankool ( compliant with SGGS) and REJECT what is anti-Gurbani and clealry pornographic/objectionable. What is generally accepted as per SGGS is Jaap Sahib, Swaiyahs Tav Parsaad, some parts of Akal Ustatt, Zafarnamah etc ( this list is not exhausted) Since this DG is NOT authenticated by the GURUS like SGGS is...it can be discussed without getting into fights. Gyani jarnail Singh>>>>> Response Bani of tenth master is gurbani.Those who call it pornographic have pornography in their minds. i challenge you to put verses from Dasam Granth here and i will reply to that with my meagre understanding as i have read Dasam Granth myselkf.Have you read it?you people haev carried enough propaganda so far. Inder singh [/QUOTE]
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