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Dasam Granth And The 'Bani' Recited In Khande Di Pahul
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<blockquote data-quote="BhagatSingh" data-source="post: 175042" data-attributes="member: 2610"><p>Jasleen ji,</p><p>I think you ought to actually <em>read</em> the material you criticize. It's critical of the behaviour of both sexes (see e.g. below). <strong>Or</strong> if you have already read it, are you saying we shouldn't criticize women for being ill-mannered <em>at all</em>?</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">ਚੌਪਈ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">Chaupaee</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">ਕਾਮ ਕਲਾ ਕਾਮਨਿ ਇਕ ਸਨੀ ॥ ਬੇਦ ਸਾਸਤਰ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਅਤਿ ਗਨੀ ॥ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਪਤਰ ਨ ਆਗਯਾ ਮਾਨੈ ॥ ਯਾ ਤੇ ਮਾਤ ਕੋਪ ਚਿਤ ਠਾਨੈ ॥੧॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">There lived a lady called Kaamkala who was adept in Shastras and Vedas. Her son was very disobedient and she was always distressed.(1)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">ਕਬਧਿ ਬਿਖੈ ਦਿਨ ਰੈਨਿ ਗਵਾਵੈ ॥ ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਕੋ ਦਰਬ ਲਟਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੰਡਨ ਸਾਥ ਕਰੈ ਗਜਰਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਰਤ ਕਬਿਰਤਿ ਪਿਯਤ ਮਦ ਪਾਨਾ ॥੨॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">He was always drenched in base thinking and squandered his parent’s money. He constantly kept the company of the rogues and lived and drank wine by committing thefts.(2)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">ਤਾ ਕੋ ਭਰਾਤ ਦਤਿਯ ਸਭ ਕਾਰੀ ॥ ਜੂਪ ਰਹਿਤ ਨ ਕਛੂ ਦਰਚਾਰੀ ॥ ਤਾ ਸੌ ਨੇਹ ਮਾਤ ਕੋ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਯਾ ਕੌ ਬੇਗਿ ਸੰਘਾਰੋ ਚਹੈ ॥੩॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">His other brother was very suave and was devoid of all the vices. The mother loved him but wanted to kill the other one.(3)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">ਝਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਜਬ ਸੋ ਘਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਸੋਤ ਛਾਪਰੀ ਮਾਝ ਤਕਾਯੋ ॥ ਟਟਿਆ ਦਵਾਰ ਆਗਿ ਦੈ ਦਈ ॥ ਸਤ ਕੋ ਮਾਤ ਜਰਾਵਤ ਭਈ ॥੪॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">One day when he had come home, she saw him sleeping in the straw- hut. At the entrance ofthe hut, she lit a fire, and killed him while asleep.(4)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">ਮਾਤ ਪੂਤ ਕੌ ਪਰਥਮ ਜਰਾਯੋ ॥ ਰੋਇ ਰੋਇ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਸਨਾਯੋ ॥ ਆਗਿ ਲਗਾਇ ਪਾਨਿ ਕੌ ਧਾਈ ॥ ਮੂਰਖ ਬਾਤ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਾਈ ॥੫॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">She awoke the (other) son and then cried incessantly to make the world known. She started to fetch water and the foolish people did not fathom the trickery.(5)(1)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span> </p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">ਇਤਿ ਸਰੀ ਚਰਿਤਰ ਪਖਯਾਨੇ ਤਰਿਆ ਚਰਿਤਰੇ ਮੰਤਰੀ ਭੂਪ ਸੰਬਾਦੇ ਇਕ ਸੌ ਸਤਾਸੀਵੋ ਚਰਿਤਰ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤ ਸਭਮ ਸਤ ॥੧੮੭॥੩੫੭੧॥ਅਫਜੂੰ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px">187th Parable of Auspicious Chritars Conversation of the Raja and the Minister, Completed With Benediction. (187)(3569)</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 10px"></span></p><p>All men thus leading up to a Granth to inspire men to make the Shaheedi.</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>Humans are female relative to God as the male. </p><p></p><p>What is referred to the male and female is once again:</p><p></p><p><a href="http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/dasam-granth/32939-dasam-granth-bani-recited-khande-di-4.html#post174970" target="_blank">http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/dasam-granth/32939-dasam-granth-bani-recited-khande-di-4.html#post174970</a></p><p> </p><p>I don't appreciate your treatment of my posts. Please read them before you respond.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BhagatSingh, post: 175042, member: 2610"] Jasleen ji, I think you ought to actually [I]read[/I] the material you criticize. It's critical of the behaviour of both sexes (see e.g. below). [B]Or[/B] if you have already read it, are you saying we shouldn't criticize women for being ill-mannered [I]at all[/I]? [SIZE=2]ਚੌਪਈ ॥ Chaupaee [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]ਕਾਮ ਕਲਾ ਕਾਮਨਿ ਇਕ ਸਨੀ ॥ ਬੇਦ ਸਾਸਤਰ ਭੀਤਰਿ ਅਤਿ ਗਨੀ ॥ ਤਾ ਕੋ ਪਤਰ ਨ ਆਗਯਾ ਮਾਨੈ ॥ ਯਾ ਤੇ ਮਾਤ ਕੋਪ ਚਿਤ ਠਾਨੈ ॥੧॥ There lived a lady called Kaamkala who was adept in Shastras and Vedas. Her son was very disobedient and she was always distressed.(1) [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]ਕਬਧਿ ਬਿਖੈ ਦਿਨ ਰੈਨਿ ਗਵਾਵੈ ॥ ਮਾਤ ਪਿਤਾ ਕੋ ਦਰਬ ਲਟਾਵੈ ॥ ਗੰਡਨ ਸਾਥ ਕਰੈ ਗਜਰਾਨਾ ॥ ਕਰਤ ਕਬਿਰਤਿ ਪਿਯਤ ਮਦ ਪਾਨਾ ॥੨॥ He was always drenched in base thinking and squandered his parent’s money. He constantly kept the company of the rogues and lived and drank wine by committing thefts.(2) [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]ਤਾ ਕੋ ਭਰਾਤ ਦਤਿਯ ਸਭ ਕਾਰੀ ॥ ਜੂਪ ਰਹਿਤ ਨ ਕਛੂ ਦਰਚਾਰੀ ॥ ਤਾ ਸੌ ਨੇਹ ਮਾਤ ਕੋ ਰਹੈ ॥ ਯਾ ਕੌ ਬੇਗਿ ਸੰਘਾਰੋ ਚਹੈ ॥੩॥ His other brother was very suave and was devoid of all the vices. The mother loved him but wanted to kill the other one.(3) [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]ਝਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਜਬ ਸੋ ਘਰ ਆਯੋ ॥ ਸੋਤ ਛਾਪਰੀ ਮਾਝ ਤਕਾਯੋ ॥ ਟਟਿਆ ਦਵਾਰ ਆਗਿ ਦੈ ਦਈ ॥ ਸਤ ਕੋ ਮਾਤ ਜਰਾਵਤ ਭਈ ॥੪॥ One day when he had come home, she saw him sleeping in the straw- hut. At the entrance ofthe hut, she lit a fire, and killed him while asleep.(4) [/SIZE] [SIZE=2]ਮਾਤ ਪੂਤ ਕੌ ਪਰਥਮ ਜਰਾਯੋ ॥ ਰੋਇ ਰੋਇ ਸਭ ਜਗਤ ਸਨਾਯੋ ॥ ਆਗਿ ਲਗਾਇ ਪਾਨਿ ਕੌ ਧਾਈ ॥ ਮੂਰਖ ਬਾਤ ਨ ਕਿਨਹੂੰ ਪਾਈ ॥੫॥ She awoke the (other) son and then cried incessantly to make the world known. She started to fetch water and the foolish people did not fathom the trickery.(5)(1) [/SIZE] [SIZE=2] ਇਤਿ ਸਰੀ ਚਰਿਤਰ ਪਖਯਾਨੇ ਤਰਿਆ ਚਰਿਤਰੇ ਮੰਤਰੀ ਭੂਪ ਸੰਬਾਦੇ ਇਕ ਸੌ ਸਤਾਸੀਵੋ ਚਰਿਤਰ ਸਮਾਪਤਮ ਸਤ ਸਭਮ ਸਤ ॥੧੮੭॥੩੫੭੧॥ਅਫਜੂੰ॥ 187th Parable of Auspicious Chritars Conversation of the Raja and the Minister, Completed With Benediction. (187)(3569) [/SIZE] All men thus leading up to a Granth to inspire men to make the Shaheedi. Humans are female relative to God as the male. What is referred to the male and female is once again: [url]http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/dasam-granth/32939-dasam-granth-bani-recited-khande-di-4.html#post174970[/url] I don't appreciate your treatment of my posts. Please read them before you respond. [/QUOTE]
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