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<blockquote data-quote="rabjot_singh@yahoo.co.in" data-source="post: 88722" data-attributes="member: 3179"><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Dear Sikh80ji,</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">I do understand that this issue might be little controversial. </span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">But what i know is that we have to accept the word of granth sahib as the word of guru and not Dasam granth (in which certain controversial things might be written against hindu demi gods infact that may be true as well)</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Even in granth sahib also the demi gods like Brahman, Shiva are believed to have suffered at the hands of Maya. Consider following verses :</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #800000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Kabeer Says</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">बेद पड़े पड़ि ब्रहमे जनमु गवाइआ ॥१॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Brahma wasted his life away, continually reading the Vedas. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">सरपनी ते ऊपरि नही बलीआ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">No one is more powerful than the she-serpent Maya,</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">जिनि ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ छलीआ ॥१॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">who deceived even Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">मैला ब्रहमा मैला इंदु ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Brahma is polluted, and Indra is polluted.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #800000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Nanak Says</span></span></span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">नाभि कमल ते ब्रहमा उपजे बेद पड़हि मुखि कंठि सवारि ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">From the lotus of Vishnu's navel, Brahma was born; He chanted the Vedas with a melodious voice.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">ता को अंतु न जाई लखणा आवत जात रहै गुबारि ॥१॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">He could not find the Lord's limits, and he remained in the darkness of coming and going. ||1||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">ईसरु ब्रहमा सेवदे अंतु तिन्ही न लहीआ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Those who serve Shiva and Brahma do not find the limits of the Lord</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #800000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Third Nanak Says -</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">ब्रहमै बेद बाणी परगासी माइआ मोह पसारा ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Through Brahma, the hymns of the Vedas were revealed, but the love of Maya spread.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">महादेउ गिआनी वरतै घरि आपणै तामसु बहुतु अहंकारा ॥२॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The wise one, Shiva, remains absorbed in himself, but he is engrossed in dark passions and excessive egotism. ||2||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">किसनु सदा अवतारी रूधा कितु लगि तरै संसारा ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Vishnu is always busy reincarnating himself - who will save the world?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ त्रै गुण भुले हउमै मोहु वधाइआ ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva wander in the three qualities, while their egotism and desire increase.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">ब्रहमा बिसनु महेसु त्रै मूरति त्रिगुणि भरमि भुलाई ॥१६॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The three forms of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are trapped in the three qualities, lost in confusion. ||16||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #800000"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Trilochan Says</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">अनिक पातिक हरता त्रिभवण नाथु री तीरथि तीरथि भ्रमता लहै न पारु री ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Shiva, the destroyer of countless sins, the Lord and Master of the three worlds, wandered from sacred shrine to sacred shrine; he never found an end to them.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">करम करि कपालु मफीटसि री ॥३॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">And yet, he could not erase the karma of cutting off Brahma's head. ||3||</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><u>FOURTH NANAK SAYS</u> -</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ त्रै गुण रोगी विचि हउमै कार कमाई ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva suffer from the disease of the three gunas - the three qualities; they do their deeds in egotism.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">जिनि कीए तिसहि न चेतहि बपुड़े हरि गुरमुखि सोझी पाई ॥२॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">The poor fools do not remember the One who created them; this understanding of the Lord is only obtained by those who become Gurmukh</span></span></span></p><p><u><span style="color: #000080"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px">FIFTH NANAK SAYS - </span></span></span></u></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">बेद पड़े पड़ि ब्रहमे हारे इकु तिलु नही कीमति पाई ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">Reading and reciting the Vedas, Brahma grew weary, but he did not find even a tiny bit of God's worth.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">दस अउतार राजे होइ वरते महादेव अउधूता ॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">There were ten regal incarnations of Vishnu; and then there was Shiva, the renunciate.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000">तिन्ह भी अंतु न पाइओ तेरा लाइ थके बिभूता ॥३॥</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000080">He did not find Your limits either, although he grew weary of smearing his body with ashes. ||3||</span></span></span></p><p>But what is written about Krishna i have already mentioned. I am not saying that krishna is god (that can never be true , he was just a messenger like Nanak or kabir)</p><p> </p><p>But his status might higher than Brahman and Shiva.</p><p> </p><p>regarding sikhism being an offshoot of hindusim, what perhaps is more important to understand is why sikhism came into existence ?what was the need for it?</p><p>Why nanak had to start a religion that could take the middle path of hinduism and islam?</p><p> </p><p>Nnanak showed his respect to other religions by incorporating the banis of people from different religions. Sikhism could well be the most secular religion ever.</p><p> </p><p>if God is even beyond the reach of Nanak then how could god be krishna itself?</p><p>They were all messengers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="rabjot_singh@yahoo.co.in, post: 88722, member: 3179"] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Dear Sikh80ji,[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]I do understand that this issue might be little controversial. [/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]But what i know is that we have to accept the word of granth sahib as the word of guru and not Dasam granth (in which certain controversial things might be written against hindu demi gods infact that may be true as well)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Even in granth sahib also the demi gods like Brahman, Shiva are believed to have suffered at the hands of Maya. Consider following verses :[/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#800000][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#800000][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Kabeer Says[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]बेद पड़े पड़ि ब्रहमे जनमु गवाइआ ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Brahma wasted his life away, continually reading the Vedas. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]सरपनी ते ऊपरि नही बलीआ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]No one is more powerful than the she-serpent Maya,[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]जिनि ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ छलीआ ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]who deceived even Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]मैला ब्रहमा मैला इंदु ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Brahma is polluted, and Indra is polluted.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#800000][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Nanak Says[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]नाभि कमल ते ब्रहमा उपजे बेद पड़हि मुखि कंठि सवारि ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]From the lotus of Vishnu's navel, Brahma was born; He chanted the Vedas with a melodious voice.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]ता को अंतु न जाई लखणा आवत जात रहै गुबारि ॥१॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]He could not find the Lord's limits, and he remained in the darkness of coming and going. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]ईसरु ब्रहमा सेवदे अंतु तिन्ही न लहीआ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Those who serve Shiva and Brahma do not find the limits of the Lord[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#800000][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Third Nanak Says -[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]ब्रहमै बेद बाणी परगासी माइआ मोह पसारा ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Through Brahma, the hymns of the Vedas were revealed, but the love of Maya spread.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]महादेउ गिआनी वरतै घरि आपणै तामसु बहुतु अहंकारा ॥२॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]The wise one, Shiva, remains absorbed in himself, but he is engrossed in dark passions and excessive egotism. ||2||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]किसनु सदा अवतारी रूधा कितु लगि तरै संसारा ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Vishnu is always busy reincarnating himself - who will save the world?[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ त्रै गुण भुले हउमै मोहु वधाइआ ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva wander in the three qualities, while their egotism and desire increase.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]ब्रहमा बिसनु महेसु त्रै मूरति त्रिगुणि भरमि भुलाई ॥१६॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]The three forms of Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva are trapped in the three qualities, lost in confusion. ||16||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#800000][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]Trilochan Says[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000] [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]अनिक पातिक हरता त्रिभवण नाथु री तीरथि तीरथि भ्रमता लहै न पारु री ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Shiva, the destroyer of countless sins, the Lord and Master of the three worlds, wandered from sacred shrine to sacred shrine; he never found an end to them.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]करम करि कपालु मफीटसि री ॥३॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]And yet, he could not erase the karma of cutting off Brahma's head. ||3||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=#000080][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][U]FOURTH NANAK SAYS[/U] -[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]ब्रहमा बिसनु महादेउ त्रै गुण रोगी विचि हउमै कार कमाई ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva suffer from the disease of the three gunas - the three qualities; they do their deeds in egotism.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]जिनि कीए तिसहि न चेतहि बपुड़े हरि गुरमुखि सोझी पाई ॥२॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]The poor fools do not remember the One who created them; this understanding of the Lord is only obtained by those who become Gurmukh[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [U][COLOR=#000080][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3]FIFTH NANAK SAYS - [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR][/U] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]बेद पड़े पड़ि ब्रहमे हारे इकु तिलु नही कीमति पाई ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]Reading and reciting the Vedas, Brahma grew weary, but he did not find even a tiny bit of God's worth.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]दस अउतार राजे होइ वरते महादेव अउधूता ॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]There were ten regal incarnations of Vishnu; and then there was Shiva, the renunciate.[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000]तिन्ह भी अंतु न पाइओ तेरा लाइ थके बिभूता ॥३॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3][COLOR=#000080]He did not find Your limits either, although he grew weary of smearing his body with ashes. ||3||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] But what is written about Krishna i have already mentioned. I am not saying that krishna is god (that can never be true , he was just a messenger like Nanak or kabir) But his status might higher than Brahman and Shiva. regarding sikhism being an offshoot of hindusim, what perhaps is more important to understand is why sikhism came into existence ?what was the need for it? Why nanak had to start a religion that could take the middle path of hinduism and islam? Nnanak showed his respect to other religions by incorporating the banis of people from different religions. Sikhism could well be the most secular religion ever. if God is even beyond the reach of Nanak then how could god be krishna itself? They were all messengers. [/QUOTE]
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