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<blockquote data-quote="spnadmin" data-source="post: 115683" data-attributes="member: 35"><p>I will show you two examples of the kind of language I referred to in an earlier post. These kinds of emails are circulated as mass broadcasts by mailing lists. The same small cluster of individuals are at the center of distribution. Their names have been deleted to keep their privacy sacred -- though they never worried about the rights to privacy of their opponents.</p><p></p><p>Emails like this are never sent to me by those who support Professor Darshan Singh. It is quite amazing that, all throughout Gurbani, in the bani of Guru Teg Bahadur and of Sant Fareed, we are asked to keep our anger in check. This point is missed.</p><p></p><p>Here is the kind of language that is used. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the substance of the issues regarding Bachitar Natak.</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"><strong>Example 1</strong> (Notice that t{censored}m singh has been added to the hit-list, whereas previously his name was rarely mentioned.)</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">"We had developed very bad opinion about role of Parmjit singh Sarna because of his promoting of ragi Darshan. It is good to see that he has sided with gursikhs. he needs to rein in his<strong> communist buddy t{censored}m singh </strong>who spews venom against dasam bani and spoiling his reputation. he can still make amends by <strong>kicking ragi darshan</strong> and his <strong>atheist</strong> <u>communist</u> missionaries</span>"</p><p></p><p><span style="color: Teal">Example 2 (You can see in this one that verses are used to proclaim a militarist position, but it is a sorry thing that these textual sources are being used to declare a holy war Sikh against Sikh)</span></p><p><span style="color: Teal"></span></p><p><span style="color: Teal">"Time has come to take these <strong>heretics</strong> seriously as a hand ful of them are <strong>misleading sikhs by propaganda.</strong>Their <strong>language is so foul</strong> that one can see what type life they may be leading.</span></p><p><span style="color: Teal">certainly this is not a sikh way. ragi darshan singh has no following abroad as is written in Punjabnewsline</span></p><p><span style="color: Teal">by one jagmohan singh. he is blacklisted in 18 gurudwaras of Toronto area. There is open challenge to him to try to come to califiornia.</span></p><p><span style="color: Teal"></span></p><p><span style="color: Teal"><strong>Their lies are publicized by Spokesman.</strong> it is a propaganda war being waged on sikhs and need to be combated. Wake up Khalsa ji.You owe it to guru sahib and his bani.</span>"</p><p><span style="color: Teal"></span></p><p><span style="color: Teal"></span> <span style="color: Teal">Where will one find such bani as given below> No mortal can write such verses except our tenth master.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਖਗ ਖੰਡ ਬਿਹੰਡੰ ਖਲ ਦਲ ਖੰਡੰ ਅਤਿ ਰਣ ਮੰਡੰ ਬਰ ਬੰਡੰ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">खग खंड बिहंडं खल दल खंडं अति रण मंडं बर बंडं ॥</span></p><p>The sword chops well, chops the forces of fools and this mighty one bedecks and glorifies the battlefield.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਭੁਜ ਦੰਡ ਅਖੰਡੰ ਤੇਜ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡੰ ਜੋਤਿ ਅਮੰਡੰ ਭਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੰ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">भुज दंड अखंडं तेज प्रचंडं जोति अमंडं भान प्रभं ॥</span></p><p>It is the unbreakable staff of the arm, it has the powerful luster and its light even bedims the radiance of the sum.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਸੁਖ ਸੰਤਾ ਕਰਣੰ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਦਰਣੰ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਹਰਣੰ ਅਸਿ ਸਰਣੰ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">सुख संता करणं दुरमति दरणं किलबिख हरणं असि सरणं ॥</span></p><p>It brings happiness to the saints, mashing the vicious ones, it is the destroyer of sins and I and under its refuge.</p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">ਜੈ ਜੈ ਜਗ ਕਾਰਣ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਉਬਾਰਣ ਮਮ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਣ ਜੈ ਤੇਗੰ ॥੨॥</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'AnmolDevanSpl'">जै जै जग कारण स्रिसटि उबारण मम प्रतिपारण जै तेगं ॥२॥</span></p><p>Hail, hail to the cause of the world, saviour of the universe, it is my preserver, I hail its victory. 2.</p><p></p><p>dasam granth sahib, Bachitra natak</p><p></p><p>There is no propaganda war being waged. The war-cries are coming from one side only. The other side is maintaining its cool!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="spnadmin, post: 115683, member: 35"] I will show you two examples of the kind of language I referred to in an earlier post. These kinds of emails are circulated as mass broadcasts by mailing lists. The same small cluster of individuals are at the center of distribution. Their names have been deleted to keep their privacy sacred -- though they never worried about the rights to privacy of their opponents. Emails like this are never sent to me by those who support Professor Darshan Singh. It is quite amazing that, all throughout Gurbani, in the bani of Guru Teg Bahadur and of Sant Fareed, we are asked to keep our anger in check. This point is missed. Here is the kind of language that is used. It has nothing whatsoever to do with the substance of the issues regarding Bachitar Natak. [COLOR=Blue][B]Example 1[/B] (Notice that t{censored}m singh has been added to the hit-list, whereas previously his name was rarely mentioned.) "We had developed very bad opinion about role of Parmjit singh Sarna because of his promoting of ragi Darshan. It is good to see that he has sided with gursikhs. he needs to rein in his[B] communist buddy t{censored}m singh [/B]who spews venom against dasam bani and spoiling his reputation. he can still make amends by [B]kicking ragi darshan[/B] and his [B]atheist[/B] [U]communist[/U] missionaries[/COLOR]" [COLOR=Teal]Example 2 (You can see in this one that verses are used to proclaim a militarist position, but it is a sorry thing that these textual sources are being used to declare a holy war Sikh against Sikh) "Time has come to take these [B]heretics[/B] seriously as a hand ful of them are [B]misleading sikhs by propaganda.[/B]Their [B]language is so foul[/B] that one can see what type life they may be leading. certainly this is not a sikh way. ragi darshan singh has no following abroad as is written in Punjabnewsline by one jagmohan singh. he is blacklisted in 18 gurudwaras of Toronto area. There is open challenge to him to try to come to califiornia. [B]Their lies are publicized by Spokesman.[/B] it is a propaganda war being waged on sikhs and need to be combated. Wake up Khalsa ji.You owe it to guru sahib and his bani.[/COLOR]" [COLOR=Teal] [/COLOR] [COLOR=Teal]Where will one find such bani as given below> No mortal can write such verses except our tenth master.[/COLOR] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਖਗ ਖੰਡ ਬਿਹੰਡੰ ਖਲ ਦਲ ਖੰਡੰ ਅਤਿ ਰਣ ਮੰਡੰ ਬਰ ਬੰਡੰ ॥ खग खंड बिहंडं खल दल खंडं अति रण मंडं बर बंडं ॥[/FONT] The sword chops well, chops the forces of fools and this mighty one bedecks and glorifies the battlefield. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਭੁਜ ਦੰਡ ਅਖੰਡੰ ਤੇਜ ਪ੍ਰਚੰਡੰ ਜੋਤਿ ਅਮੰਡੰ ਭਾਨ ਪ੍ਰਭੰ ॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]भुज दंड अखंडं तेज प्रचंडं जोति अमंडं भान प्रभं ॥[/FONT] It is the unbreakable staff of the arm, it has the powerful luster and its light even bedims the radiance of the sum. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਸੁਖ ਸੰਤਾ ਕਰਣੰ ਦੁਰਮਤਿ ਦਰਣੰ ਕਿਲਬਿਖ ਹਰਣੰ ਅਸਿ ਸਰਣੰ ॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]सुख संता करणं दुरमति दरणं किलबिख हरणं असि सरणं ॥[/FONT] It brings happiness to the saints, mashing the vicious ones, it is the destroyer of sins and I and under its refuge. [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]ਜੈ ਜੈ ਜਗ ਕਾਰਣ ਸ੍ਰਿਸਟਿ ਉਬਾਰਣ ਮਮ ਪ੍ਰਤਿਪਾਰਣ ਜੈ ਤੇਗੰ ॥੨॥[/FONT] [FONT=AnmolDevanSpl]जै जै जग कारण स्रिसटि उबारण मम प्रतिपारण जै तेगं ॥२॥[/FONT] Hail, hail to the cause of the world, saviour of the universe, it is my preserver, I hail its victory. 2. dasam granth sahib, Bachitra natak There is no propaganda war being waged. The war-cries are coming from one side only. The other side is maintaining its cool! [/QUOTE]
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