☀️ JOIN SPN MOBILE
Forums
New posts
Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
What's new
New posts
New media
New media comments
New resources
Latest activity
Videos
New media
New comments
Library
Latest reviews
Donate
Log in
Register
What's new
New posts
Menu
Log in
Register
Install the app
Install
Welcome to all New Sikh Philosophy Network Forums!
Explore Sikh Sikhi Sikhism...
Sign up
Log in
Discussions
Hard Talk
Consumption Of Alcohol Amongst Sikhs
JavaScript is disabled. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding.
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an
alternative browser
.
Reply to thread
Message
<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh1" data-source="post: 142047" data-attributes="member: 635"><p>Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh</p><p>Just like degradation in the environment, there is degradation in all societies, cultures and religions of the world.</p><p>Long time ago in the mid-sixties, I came across a Santji in Chandigarh while, by chance, visiting someone. The emphasis of his impromptu discourse was to align with Gurbani and Naam. He said that terrible times are going to come by the turn of the twentieth century. Sikhi would be under attack and Harmandir Sahib would be blooded. Many Sikhs would maintain outer appearance but will not be observant. Then the turban will start vanishing and 'koi koi reh jai ga sachha Sikh' -a few will remain true Sikhs.</p><p>He also said that by the turn of the twentieth century degradation of Muslims will set in. They shall rise and go to the extremes. Then Islam will finish. According to predictions of Nostradamus for the same period, the Devil will come from the underworld :Consider black oil as the Devil which has given much power to the Muslim world.</p><p>Santji also said that there shall be a wave to convert to Sikhism and to the purity of the Khalsa order :an exemplary faith -we don't go around asking others to convert; truly democratic and a peoples faith; selfless Sewa; Langar; singing Kirtan (Christians never used to sing in Churches and they started around 500 years ago after Guru Nanak Devji went to Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem preaching about Kirtan.)</p><p>Now about "Consumption of Alcohol Amongst Sikhs". I suppose this is part of the world wide degradation.</p><p>Holy Guru Granth Sahib says' "If He desires you to worship Him, He shall make you meet the True Guru". Therefore, let us consider it as the Hukum of Waheguru that He has kept close to His Heart those He loves as His true devotees. And He has pushed away those He does not love into a punishment :drugs; consumption of alcohol and tobacco; aborting/killing daughters in favour of sons; dowry deaths; much emphasis on materialism; partying and watching TV serials in the Amritvela when it is time to do Guru Sewa; and whatever else.</p><p>Going back to the form from the DSGMC, the correct question should have been <u>"Are you an observant Sikh?"</u> To ask such a question, the Jathedars ought to be observant in the first place.</p><p>Le me give you an example about the high handedness of Jathedars. In 1998, I was almost attacked in the SGPC office by one of the semi-literate Jathedars (in the modern context) who shouted at me, "You have been a fauji officer and must have had alcohol. How can you write and make a TV serial on the Khalsa now?" (I had gone to seek permission for a 52 episode TV serial titled 'Badshah Dervesh' which never saw the light of the day after that.)</p><p>Therefore readers, there is no point finding fault with those who are indulging. Just feel sorry for them and ask Waheguru to keep you on the path of True Sikhi and righteousness.</p><p>Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh</p><p>Tejwant Singh1</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh1, post: 142047, member: 635"] Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Just like degradation in the environment, there is degradation in all societies, cultures and religions of the world. Long time ago in the mid-sixties, I came across a Santji in Chandigarh while, by chance, visiting someone. The emphasis of his impromptu discourse was to align with Gurbani and Naam. He said that terrible times are going to come by the turn of the twentieth century. Sikhi would be under attack and Harmandir Sahib would be blooded. Many Sikhs would maintain outer appearance but will not be observant. Then the turban will start vanishing and 'koi koi reh jai ga sachha Sikh' -a few will remain true Sikhs. He also said that by the turn of the twentieth century degradation of Muslims will set in. They shall rise and go to the extremes. Then Islam will finish. According to predictions of Nostradamus for the same period, the Devil will come from the underworld :Consider black oil as the Devil which has given much power to the Muslim world. Santji also said that there shall be a wave to convert to Sikhism and to the purity of the Khalsa order :an exemplary faith -we don't go around asking others to convert; truly democratic and a peoples faith; selfless Sewa; Langar; singing Kirtan (Christians never used to sing in Churches and they started around 500 years ago after Guru Nanak Devji went to Mecca, Medina and Jerusalem preaching about Kirtan.) Now about "Consumption of Alcohol Amongst Sikhs". I suppose this is part of the world wide degradation. Holy Guru Granth Sahib says' "If He desires you to worship Him, He shall make you meet the True Guru". Therefore, let us consider it as the Hukum of Waheguru that He has kept close to His Heart those He loves as His true devotees. And He has pushed away those He does not love into a punishment :drugs; consumption of alcohol and tobacco; aborting/killing daughters in favour of sons; dowry deaths; much emphasis on materialism; partying and watching TV serials in the Amritvela when it is time to do Guru Sewa; and whatever else. Going back to the form from the DSGMC, the correct question should have been [U]"Are you an observant Sikh?"[/U] To ask such a question, the Jathedars ought to be observant in the first place. Le me give you an example about the high handedness of Jathedars. In 1998, I was almost attacked in the SGPC office by one of the semi-literate Jathedars (in the modern context) who shouted at me, "You have been a fauji officer and must have had alcohol. How can you write and make a TV serial on the Khalsa now?" (I had gone to seek permission for a 52 episode TV serial titled 'Badshah Dervesh' which never saw the light of the day after that.) Therefore readers, there is no point finding fault with those who are indulging. Just feel sorry for them and ask Waheguru to keep you on the path of True Sikhi and righteousness. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh Tejwant Singh1 [/QUOTE]
Insert quotes…
Verification
Post reply
Discussions
Hard Talk
Consumption Of Alcohol Amongst Sikhs
This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
Accept
Learn more…
Top