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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 118799" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p>Taken from fools who wrangle over flesh.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Life goes through many incarnations (up to 84 million) before becoming human. In other words, life takes the form of incarnation in plant form, then animal, and then human. The idea being that animal form spiritually is closer to man. Biologically this maybe true, however, spiritually within Sikhism, this could not be further from the truth.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written:</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl: </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect; </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer. </span></span></em></p><p> <em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o. ||1|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains; </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb; </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves; </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa. ||2|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan. ||3|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">jo kichh ho-aa so tujh tay hog. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">avar na doojaa karnai jog. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">No one else can do anything at all. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay. ||4||3||72|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72|| </span></span></em></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Reading this Ang one can clearly see that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not attach any particular order to how life is incarnated. In fact it states:</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains; </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb; </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;</span></span></em></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you were to apply the logic of those that claim spiritually animal life is closer to human, then according to this a <strong>rock then becomes an aborted human foetus, then becomes a plant! </strong>It is only after this one becomes human. Surely then a plant is a closer form of life to human? </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji only proclaims one life form as being so precious. On page 50 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji it states:</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">sireeraag mehlaa 5 ghar 2. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl, Second House: </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">go-il aa-i-aa go-ilee ki-aa tis damf pasaar. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The herdsman comes to the pasture lands-what good are his ostentatious displays here? </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">muhlat punnee chalnaa tooN sampal ghar baar. ||1|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">When your allotted time is up, you must go. Take care of your real hearth and home. ||1|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">har gun gaa-o manaa satgur sayv pi-aar. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">O mind, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and serve the True Guru with love. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ki-aa thorh-rhee baat gumaan. ||1|| rahaa-o. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Why do you take pride in trivial matters? ||1||Pause|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">jaisay rain paraahunay uth chalsahi parbhaat. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Like an overnight guest, you shall arise and depart in the morning. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ki-aa tooN rataa girsat si-o sabh fulaa kee baagaat. ||2|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Why are you so attached to your household? It is all like flowers in the garden. ||2|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">mayree mayree ki-aa karahi jin dee-aa so parabh lorh. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Why do you say, "Mine, mine?" Look to God, who has given it to you. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">sarpar uthee chalnaa chhad jaasee lakh karorh. ||3|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">It is certain that you must arise and depart, and leave behind your hundreds of thousands and millions. ||3|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>lakh cha-oraaseeh bharmati-aa dulabh janam paa-i-o-ay. </strong></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><strong>Through 8.4 million incarnations you have wandered, to obtain this rare and precious human life.</strong> </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">naanak naam samaal tooN so din nayrhaa aa-i-o-ay. ||4||22||92|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">O Nanak, remember the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the day of departure is drawing near! ||4||22||92||</span></span></em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So clearly, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji sees plants, animals, and minerals, on one level in terms of life, and then human form on another. To take the life of a plant is the same as an animal in terms of spirituality. The following Ang although a metaphor for how people who speak the truth are treated clearly shows the mind of the Guru’s when seeing life in all its form, be it plant, mineral or animal:</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji</span></span></em><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">mehlaa 1. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">First Mehl: </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles, </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below. </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay. ||2|| </span></span></em></p><p><em><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated! ||2|| </span></span></em><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p><p><span style="color: black"></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 118799, member: 1323"] Taken from fools who wrangle over flesh. [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Life goes through many incarnations (up to 84 million) before becoming human. In other words, life takes the form of incarnation in plant form, then animal, and then human. The idea being that animal form spiritually is closer to man. Biologically this maybe true, however, spiritually within Sikhism, this could not be further from the truth.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]On page 176 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, the following is written:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ga-orhee gu-aarayree mehlaa 5. Gauree Gwaarayree, Fifth Mehl: ka-ee janam bha-ay keet patangaa. In so many incarnations, you were a worm and an insect; [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] ka-ee janam gaj meen kurangaa. in so many incarnations, you were an elephant, a fish and a deer. ka-ee janam pankhee sarap ho-i-o. In so many incarnations, you were a bird and a snake. ka-ee janam haivar barikh jo-i-o. ||1|| In so many incarnations, you were yoked as an ox and a horse. ||1|| mil jagdees milan kee baree-aa. Meet the Lord of the Universe - now is the time to meet Him. chirankaal ih dayh sanjaree-aa. ||1|| rahaa-o. After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause|| ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa. In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains; ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa. in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb; ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa. in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves; lakh cha-oraaseeh jon bharmaa-i-aa. ||2|| you wandered through 8.4 million incarnations. ||2|| saaDhsang bha-i-o janam paraapat. Through the Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, you obtained this human life. kar sayvaa bhaj har har gurmat. Do seva - selfless service; follow the Guru's Teachings, and vibrate the Lord's Name, Har, Har. ti-aag maan jhooth abhimaan. Abandon pride, falsehood and arrogance. jeevat mareh dargeh parvaan. ||3|| Remain dead while yet alive, and you shall be welcomed in the Court of the Lord. ||3|| jo kichh ho-aa so tujh tay hog. Whatever has been, and whatever shall be, comes from You, Lord. avar na doojaa karnai jog. No one else can do anything at all. taa milee-ai jaa laihi milaa-ay. We are united with You, when You unite us with Yourself. kaho naanak har har gun gaa-ay. ||4||3||72|| Says Nanak, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, Har, Har. ||4||3||72|| [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Reading this Ang one can clearly see that the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not attach any particular order to how life is incarnated. In fact it states:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]ka-ee janam sail gir kari-aa. In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains; ka-ee janam garabh hir khari-aa. in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb; ka-ee janam saakh kar upaa-i-aa. in so many incarnations, you developed branches and leaves;[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]If you were to apply the logic of those that claim spiritually animal life is closer to human, then according to this a [B]rock then becomes an aborted human foetus, then becomes a plant! [/B]It is only after this one becomes human. Surely then a plant is a closer form of life to human? [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji only proclaims one life form as being so precious. On page 50 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji it states:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black] [/COLOR][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]sireeraag mehlaa 5 ghar 2. Siree Raag, Fifth Mehl, Second House: go-il aa-i-aa go-ilee ki-aa tis damf pasaar. The herdsman comes to the pasture lands-what good are his ostentatious displays here? [/FONT][/COLOR][/I] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] muhlat punnee chalnaa tooN sampal ghar baar. ||1|| When your allotted time is up, you must go. Take care of your real hearth and home. ||1|| har gun gaa-o manaa satgur sayv pi-aar. O mind, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord, and serve the True Guru with love. ki-aa thorh-rhee baat gumaan. ||1|| rahaa-o. Why do you take pride in trivial matters? ||1||Pause|| jaisay rain paraahunay uth chalsahi parbhaat. Like an overnight guest, you shall arise and depart in the morning. ki-aa tooN rataa girsat si-o sabh fulaa kee baagaat. ||2|| Why are you so attached to your household? It is all like flowers in the garden. ||2|| mayree mayree ki-aa karahi jin dee-aa so parabh lorh. Why do you say, "Mine, mine?" Look to God, who has given it to you. sarpar uthee chalnaa chhad jaasee lakh karorh. ||3|| It is certain that you must arise and depart, and leave behind your hundreds of thousands and millions. ||3|| [B]lakh cha-oraaseeh bharmati-aa dulabh janam paa-i-o-ay. Through 8.4 million incarnations you have wandered, to obtain this rare and precious human life.[/B] naanak naam samaal tooN so din nayrhaa aa-i-o-ay. ||4||22||92|| O Nanak, remember the Naam, the Name of the Lord; the day of departure is drawing near! ||4||22||92||[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]So clearly, the Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji sees plants, animals, and minerals, on one level in terms of life, and then human form on another. To take the life of a plant is the same as an animal in terms of spirituality. The following Ang although a metaphor for how people who speak the truth are treated clearly shows the mind of the Guru’s when seeing life in all its form, be it plant, mineral or animal:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Page 143 of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji[/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black] [/COLOR][I][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]mehlaa 1. First Mehl: vaykh je mithaa kati-aa kat kut baDhaa paa-ay. Look, and see how the sugar-cane is cut down. After cutting away its branches, its feet are bound together into bundles, khundhaa andar rakh kai dayn so mal sajaa-ay. and then, it is placed between the wooden rollers and crushed. ras kas tatar paa-ee-ai tapai tai villaa-ay. What punishment is inflicted upon it! Its juice is extracted and placed in the cauldron; as it is heated, it groans and cries out. bhee so fog samaalee-ai dichai ag jaalaa-ay. And then, the crushed cane is collected and burnt in the fire below. naanak mithai patree-ai vaykhhu lokaa aa-ay. ||2|| Nanak: come, people, and see how the sweet sugar-cane is treated! ||2|| [/FONT][/COLOR][/I][COLOR=black] [/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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