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<blockquote data-quote="Lee" data-source="post: 12902" data-attributes="member: 1301"><p>Hey Johh,</p><p></p><p>I'm going to take your points one at a time, and lets see whether we see light or dark huh!</p><p></p><p>John Said:</p><p></p><p><<I feel everything around us is just random chance that can never repeat itself, for example back to our pot of paint and a firecracker. If we were to throw a firecracker in a paint pot the resulting random pattern could never be repeated by the same manner, we may think wow look at that pattern, but it is quite simply random.>></p><p></p><p>It only seems random beacuse as I have said, we are not in posetion of all of the facts. Remember when you where a child, and all of the knowledge you had then? More importantly all of the extra knowledge you have now.</p><p>I have two children aged 8 and 11, when I talk to them I know no matter how much they ask there are things that I cannot explain to them yet, they do not yet have the capacity to understand certian things. This is purley because their brains are not yet fully functional.</p><p></p><p>Heh not that I'm saying that yours isn't also, but only that you and I and the rest of us, cannot know everything. Tyr talking to somebody you know is very knowledgable about something you know nothing about, and see how much you can actualy comprehend. This is beacuse until you are taught the fundementals, or basics of this knowledge your capacity to understand is limited.</p><p></p><p>John said:</p><p></p><p><<For example the average male produces billions of sperm and the female is thought to have around 300,000 eggs at puberty, just think of the astronomical variations possible from just those two people with egg sperm combinations! Then look at the same thing in the light of mans existence on earth and the number of people to multiply those variations by!!!!!!!!!>></p><p></p><p>It puzzles me a bit John how you see this as random? Do we not have a say in who we marry, how many children we have, what vocation we take, where we live? The whole realm of biology also is not random, there are difinitive rules that govern the workings of the body. Rather than see randomness in all of this I can see the masterplan of a master builder.</p><p></p><p>John said;</p><p></p><p><<It appears to me random and totally unpredictable events are shaping our lives with no purpose, for instance take any event in history and change the outcome, like musical chairs all the world players would change, if those that died in history had been those that lived and visa versa, What then?>></p><p></p><p>Heh this is one of those question that I just can't answer. However if say Hitler won the war, and we where all German citizens, then by now would the cruelty of the 3rd riech still be prevalant, or would human morality forced a change? I think the latter is more probable. It then becomes a question of ethics.</p><p></p><p>John said:</p><p></p><p><<I asked this question some time ago, I would like to get someone else’s view as to whether I’m cracking up?>></p><p></p><p>Heh John, I don't think you have to worry overmuch on that score, I know a lot of people who umm err lets say have mental health issues. In my experiance, it is the ones who are not worried, or who do not question their sanity that are the greatest at risk.</p><p></p><p>I myself have undergone, and still do periods of intense mental anguish and headfuckedness(for want of a more apt phrase) this is quite normal, it may indicate some stress or deppression, but it also efflicts those of us that are want to think deeply on certian issuse. As I have already said, the trick to combat this is to not take to much notice of logical thought process, for that way lies contridiction upon condtridiction. Heh yeah I know it sounds quite mad to suggest to combat madness one should not think logicaly, but *shrug* it does work.</p><p></p><p>John said:</p><p></p><p><<If we assume that as the second hand sweeps around the clock face, everything in front of the hand is the future and everything behind the hand is the past so that only that which is at the tip is the present, then how big is the present?</p><p></p><p>As we can divide time in to nanoseconds so that a literal second becomes equivalent to around 30years, then the principle of the second hand remains the same and our present moment in time is just 1 nanosecond, which is as near to nothing as possible, divide this almost nothing by infinity. Then do we exist?</p><p></p><p>Is it all just meaningless random chances in a non-existing blip?>></p><p></p><p>Yeah this is a perfect way to test my point about logical thought. You say this beacuse logicaly this is what seems to be true, I'll not deny that.</p><p></p><p>However think of it in this way instead and see where it leads you:</p><p></p><p>Time can be divided into the past the present and the future, but by it's very nature time is an ever changing force. What was just then, is not the same as...NOW! and what was in the future is.. NOW! the present.</p><p></p><p>So in human terms what is time to us, what does it mean? Not a lot as it turns out, it is nowt more than another measurement. Instead of lenght, or mass, or whatever it measures decay.</p><p></p><p>Time is the measurment of the rate of decay of physical matter and energy, but it is only valid for phyiscal things. Do you belive in spirit? What is spirit? How can we measure it, it is not energy, it is not matter, does it reside in our human bodies, some would call the soul by the name spirit Heh myself amongst them.</p><p></p><p>So of course yes spirit also resides in the human body, but if spirit cannot be touched by time, then what is time to us? In a very real sense it is nothing. You are correct when you ask do we really exsist. Yeah we do, but this exsistance, the one where I can phyiscal type these words, and you can phyiscaly read them, is not the reality of the creation, only that which is outside of time is real, because it cannot decay, so never dies.</p><p></p><p>Heh now here is the clever bit John.</p><p></p><p> ik-oNkaar sa<u>t</u> naam kar<u>t</u>aa pura<u>kh</u> nir<u>bh</u>a-o nirvair akaal moora<u>t</u> ajoonee sai<u>bh</u>aN gur parsaa<u>d</u>.</p><p></p><p></p><p> One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace </p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p> jap.</p><p></p><p></p><p> Chant And Meditate:</p><p></p><p> </p><p> aa<u>d</u> sach jugaa<u>d</u> sach.</p><p></p><p></p><p> True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages.</p><p></p><p> </p><p> hai <u>bh</u>ee sach naanak hosee <u>bh</u>ee sach. </p><p></p><p> </p><p>True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. </p><p>[/FONT]</p><p> </p><p>So we can see that the only truth, and therefore the only thing we have to ever worry about is God.</p><p>[/FONT]</p><p> </p><p>Anyhoo John I hope this helps.</p><p>[/FONT]</p><p> Cheers,</p><p>[/FONT]</p><p> Lee.</p><p>[/FONT]</p><p> </p><p></p><p> [/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Lee, post: 12902, member: 1301"] Hey Johh, I'm going to take your points one at a time, and lets see whether we see light or dark huh! John Said: <<I feel everything around us is just random chance that can never repeat itself, for example back to our pot of paint and a firecracker. If we were to throw a firecracker in a paint pot the resulting random pattern could never be repeated by the same manner, we may think wow look at that pattern, but it is quite simply random.>> It only seems random beacuse as I have said, we are not in posetion of all of the facts. Remember when you where a child, and all of the knowledge you had then? More importantly all of the extra knowledge you have now. I have two children aged 8 and 11, when I talk to them I know no matter how much they ask there are things that I cannot explain to them yet, they do not yet have the capacity to understand certian things. This is purley because their brains are not yet fully functional. Heh not that I'm saying that yours isn't also, but only that you and I and the rest of us, cannot know everything. Tyr talking to somebody you know is very knowledgable about something you know nothing about, and see how much you can actualy comprehend. This is beacuse until you are taught the fundementals, or basics of this knowledge your capacity to understand is limited. John said: <<For example the average male produces billions of sperm and the female is thought to have around 300,000 eggs at puberty, just think of the astronomical variations possible from just those two people with egg sperm combinations! Then look at the same thing in the light of mans existence on earth and the number of people to multiply those variations by!!!!!!!!!>> It puzzles me a bit John how you see this as random? Do we not have a say in who we marry, how many children we have, what vocation we take, where we live? The whole realm of biology also is not random, there are difinitive rules that govern the workings of the body. Rather than see randomness in all of this I can see the masterplan of a master builder. John said; <<It appears to me random and totally unpredictable events are shaping our lives with no purpose, for instance take any event in history and change the outcome, like musical chairs all the world players would change, if those that died in history had been those that lived and visa versa, What then?>> Heh this is one of those question that I just can't answer. However if say Hitler won the war, and we where all German citizens, then by now would the cruelty of the 3rd riech still be prevalant, or would human morality forced a change? I think the latter is more probable. It then becomes a question of ethics. John said: <<I asked this question some time ago, I would like to get someone else’s view as to whether I’m cracking up?>> Heh John, I don't think you have to worry overmuch on that score, I know a lot of people who umm err lets say have mental health issues. In my experiance, it is the ones who are not worried, or who do not question their sanity that are the greatest at risk. I myself have undergone, and still do periods of intense mental anguish and headfuckedness(for want of a more apt phrase) this is quite normal, it may indicate some stress or deppression, but it also efflicts those of us that are want to think deeply on certian issuse. As I have already said, the trick to combat this is to not take to much notice of logical thought process, for that way lies contridiction upon condtridiction. Heh yeah I know it sounds quite mad to suggest to combat madness one should not think logicaly, but *shrug* it does work. John said: <<If we assume that as the second hand sweeps around the clock face, everything in front of the hand is the future and everything behind the hand is the past so that only that which is at the tip is the present, then how big is the present? As we can divide time in to nanoseconds so that a literal second becomes equivalent to around 30years, then the principle of the second hand remains the same and our present moment in time is just 1 nanosecond, which is as near to nothing as possible, divide this almost nothing by infinity. Then do we exist? Is it all just meaningless random chances in a non-existing blip?>> Yeah this is a perfect way to test my point about logical thought. You say this beacuse logicaly this is what seems to be true, I'll not deny that. However think of it in this way instead and see where it leads you: Time can be divided into the past the present and the future, but by it's very nature time is an ever changing force. What was just then, is not the same as...NOW! and what was in the future is.. NOW! the present. So in human terms what is time to us, what does it mean? Not a lot as it turns out, it is nowt more than another measurement. Instead of lenght, or mass, or whatever it measures decay. Time is the measurment of the rate of decay of physical matter and energy, but it is only valid for phyiscal things. Do you belive in spirit? What is spirit? How can we measure it, it is not energy, it is not matter, does it reside in our human bodies, some would call the soul by the name spirit Heh myself amongst them. So of course yes spirit also resides in the human body, but if spirit cannot be touched by time, then what is time to us? In a very real sense it is nothing. You are correct when you ask do we really exsist. Yeah we do, but this exsistance, the one where I can phyiscal type these words, and you can phyiscaly read them, is not the reality of the creation, only that which is outside of time is real, because it cannot decay, so never dies. Heh now here is the clever bit John. ik-oNkaar sa[U]t[/U] naam kar[U]t[/U]aa pura[U]kh[/U] nir[U]bh[/U]a-o nirvair akaal moora[U]t[/U] ajoonee sai[U]bh[/U]aN gur parsaa[U]d[/U]. One Universal Creator God. The Name Is Truth. Creative Being Personified. No Fear. No Hatred. Image Of The Undying, Beyond Birth, Self-Existent. By Guru's Grace [COLOR=green][FONT=AnmolLipiHeavy][/FONT][/COLOR] jap. Chant And Meditate: aa[U]d[/U] sach jugaa[U]d[/U] sach. True In The Primal Beginning. True Throughout The Ages. hai [U]bh[/U]ee sach naanak hosee [U]bh[/U]ee sach. True Here And Now. O Nanak, Forever And Ever True. [/FONT] So we can see that the only truth, and therefore the only thing we have to ever worry about is God. [/FONT] Anyhoo John I hope this helps. [/FONT] Cheers, [/FONT] Lee. [/FONT] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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