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ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
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ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
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Thittee (296-300)
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Thintteen (343-344)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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Can Guru Sahib Change Our 'bhaag' (destiny/fortune) Or We Have To Live With It ? Is It Fixed
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<blockquote data-quote="Harry Haller" data-source="post: 203307" data-attributes="member: 14641"><p>It all depends on your interpretation of Sikhism, in my view, this is written to read in its entirety, and then a gist or message appears, again from the entirety. Upon reading, my understanding is that the whole Shabad is about rejecting the rituals, belief in the afterlife and multiple lives, and to find happiness living the way of the true person, not to do such in view of a reward, but simply as it is the correct and right thing to do. </p><p></p><p>The line you have outlined can be taken in many ways, according to <a href="http://shabdkosh.com" target="_blank">http://shabdkosh.com</a></p><p></p><p>ਭਾਗ can mean any of the following. </p><ol> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/part/part-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">part</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/fortune/fortune-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">fortune</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/luck/luck-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">luck</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/destiny/destiny-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">destiny</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/fate/fate-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">fate</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/participation/participation-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">participation</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/contribution/contribution-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">contribution</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/share/share-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">share</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/division/division-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">division</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/segment/segment-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">segment</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/fraction/fraction-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">fraction</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/portion/portion-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">portion</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/section/section-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">section</a> (m)</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ol"> <a href="http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/Division/Division-meaning-in-Punjabi-English" target="_blank">Division</a></li> </ol><p>It is also interesting to note the word destiny is used twice in the translation, but ਭਾਗ appears only the once. </p><p></p><p>As a fan of the pragmatic, No. 7 would probably be my choice, if we had a choice, which I do think we have.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harry Haller, post: 203307, member: 14641"] It all depends on your interpretation of Sikhism, in my view, this is written to read in its entirety, and then a gist or message appears, again from the entirety. Upon reading, my understanding is that the whole Shabad is about rejecting the rituals, belief in the afterlife and multiple lives, and to find happiness living the way of the true person, not to do such in view of a reward, but simply as it is the correct and right thing to do. The line you have outlined can be taken in many ways, according to [URL]http://shabdkosh.com[/URL] ਭਾਗ can mean any of the following. [LIST=1] [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/part/part-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']part[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/fortune/fortune-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']fortune[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/luck/luck-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']luck[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/destiny/destiny-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']destiny[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/fate/fate-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']fate[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/participation/participation-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']participation[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/contribution/contribution-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']contribution[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/share/share-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']share[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/division/division-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']division[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/segment/segment-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']segment[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/fraction/fraction-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']fraction[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/portion/portion-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']portion[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/section/section-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']section[/URL] (m) [*] [URL='http://shabdkosh.com/pa/translate/Division/Division-meaning-in-Punjabi-English']Division[/URL] [/LIST] It is also interesting to note the word destiny is used twice in the translation, but ਭਾਗ appears only the once. As a fan of the pragmatic, No. 7 would probably be my choice, if we had a choice, which I do think we have. [/QUOTE]
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