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<blockquote data-quote="Randip Singh" data-source="post: 118677" data-attributes="member: 1323"><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">You are correct 100%. Compassion is far deeper than religion, but what the question here seems to imply is that the parents are looking for a blessing for their own self will, and their own Hankaar.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Their, Kaam, Hankaar has led to this situation, and therefore they cannot be blessed for this.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Now if they were to show humility eg get married and shed their self will in favour of Gods will then it would be a different matter.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">My opinion is, while the parents are still under the delusion of Kaam and their Hankaar is preventing them from accepting humility and Gods will, <u>THEY</u> cannot ask for there child to be blessed. What the parents seem to asking for is <u>NOT</u> a blessing for the child, but a blessing for their own Kaam and Hankaar.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The Kaam rests not with the child, but with the parents, and it up to them to show humility first for the sake of their child before any blessing.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The child, in their own right can ask for a blessing when old enough, and unlike other faiths, the child does not carry the burden of the parents.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">I say this as someone who chose my own partner, and despite intense opposition from elements from both our families did the right thing and got married. The cowardly thing would have been not to get married and shun society. These parents have this choice. As a Sikh we have certain duties and values that are central. The duties of a Householder is something the first Nanak spoke about and illustrated to us through example. The following Nanak’s too, followed this example.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"><o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />> </o<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Sikhi has compassion, it has compassion for ones enemy, but that compassion should not be so blind as to wander into the <?xml::<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite9" alt=":eek:" title="Eek! :eek:" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":eek:" />ffice:smarttags" /><st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />lace w:st="on"><st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />laceType w:st="on">territory</st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />laceType> of <st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />laceName w:st="on">Ahimsa</st1<img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick Out Tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" />laceName>. The Sikh message is “yes, we will have compassion, we will forgive your mistakes and there will be willingness on our part, but you too must acknowledge your part in the play”. Sikhi gives a carrot, but it also has a stick. That’s why when all means have been exhausted; we are so ready to draw the proverbial sword (some too quickly for my liking).</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Randip Singh, post: 118677, member: 1323"] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]You are correct 100%. Compassion is far deeper than religion, but what the question here seems to imply is that the parents are looking for a blessing for their own self will, and their own Hankaar.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Their, Kaam, Hankaar has led to this situation, and therefore they cannot be blessed for this.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Now if they were to show humility eg get married and shed their self will in favour of Gods will then it would be a different matter.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]My opinion is, while the parents are still under the delusion of Kaam and their Hankaar is preventing them from accepting humility and Gods will, [U]THEY[/U] cannot ask for there child to be blessed. What the parents seem to asking for is [U]NOT[/U] a blessing for the child, but a blessing for their own Kaam and Hankaar.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The Kaam rests not with the child, but with the parents, and it up to them to show humility first for the sake of their child before any blessing.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]The child, in their own right can ask for a blessing when old enough, and unlike other faiths, the child does not carry the burden of the parents.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I say this as someone who chose my own partner, and despite intense opposition from elements from both our families did the right thing and got married. The cowardly thing would have been not to get married and shun society. These parents have this choice. As a Sikh we have certain duties and values that are central. The duties of a Householder is something the first Nanak spoke about and illustrated to us through example. The following Nanak’s too, followed this example.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]<o:p> </o:p>[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Sikhi has compassion, it has compassion for ones enemy, but that compassion should not be so blind as to wander into the <?xml:::office:smarttags" /><st1:place w:st="on"><st1:PlaceType w:st="on">territory</st1:PlaceType> of <st1:PlaceName w:st="on">Ahimsa</st1:PlaceName>. The Sikh message is “yes, we will have compassion, we will forgive your mistakes and there will be willingness on our part, but you too must acknowledge your part in the play”. Sikhi gives a carrot, but it also has a stick. That’s why when all means have been exhausted; we are so ready to draw the proverbial sword (some too quickly for my liking).[/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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