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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 70871" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'"><span style="color: #800000">eyk ik®snµ srb dyvw dyv dyvw q Awqmw ] </span></span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">(469-15, Awsw, mÚ 2)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: blue">The <strong>One Lord Krishna</strong> is the <strong>Divine Lord</strong> of all; He is the Divinity of the individual soul.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: #800000"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharThick'">Awqmw bwsudyvis´ jy ko jwxY Byau ] nwnku qw kw dwsu hY soeI inrMjn dyau ]4] </span></span><span style="color: green"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniAkharHeavy'">(469-15, Awsw, mÚ 2)</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Nanak is a slave to anyone who understands this mystery of the all-pervading Lord; <span style="color: blue"><strong>he himself is the Immaculate Divine Lord. ||4||</strong></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">********************************************************</span></p><p><span style="color: blue">Kindly refer above.Here Lord Krishna is stated to be the Divine Lord.The reference cannot be rejected by giving out some logic that Krishna was the Avtaar of the God in some particular Yug. Bani is 'Nirankaar' would mean that every thing stated is truth. If one has to change the context or alter the words to arrive at the meaning that suits us the entire purpose is lost.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">We shall have to explain as to what is that suits sikhi and sikhism. What is wrong if We accept Krishna as the Primal Lord as is stated in the above lines.It has been taken from ASA DI VAAR. I hope the translation is correct.</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">One may refer the post no.1 where in the purpose of the thread is very clearly stated. It has been over shadowed by the subsequent post that was irrelevant but was forced into due to the reasons known to the author.:}--}:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">In any case I do not find any reason to reject Krishna as the Primal lord because somewhere else it has not been written so or Bhai Gurdas ji explains better. Gurdas ji was just a scribe of the Guru sahib and His words cannot replace the words of guru sahibaan. </span></p><p><span style="color: blue">Bani Nirankaar hey! has its own scope and area of coverage. it cannot be applied to everything and anything entered in the Granth sahib. It shall reduce the value of the Bani if we keep on altering the meaning of the bani as it suits us. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue">Who shall decide this.?It should be answered by theone who has knowledge of Gurmukhi else let it go. We can discuss it some other time when you have acquired the knowledge.Posting the translations in english is an additional burden. Some of the times the translations are not correct.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-size: 9px">Bhul Chuk Mauf</span> </span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 70871, member: 5290"] [FONT=GurbaniAkharThick][COLOR=#800000]eyk ik®snµ srb dyvw dyv dyvw q Awqmw ] [/COLOR][/FONT][COLOR=green][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy](469-15, Awsw, mÚ 2)[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Tahoma][COLOR=blue]The [B]One Lord Krishna[/B] is the [B]Divine Lord[/B] of all; He is the Divinity of the individual soul.[/COLOR][/FONT] [COLOR=#800000][FONT=GurbaniAkharThick]Awqmw bwsudyvis´ jy ko jwxY Byau ] nwnku qw kw dwsu hY soeI inrMjn dyau ]4] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=green][FONT=GurbaniAkharHeavy](469-15, Awsw, mÚ 2)[/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman]Nanak is a slave to anyone who understands this mystery of the all-pervading Lord; [COLOR=blue][B]he himself is the Immaculate Divine Lord. ||4||[/B][/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]********************************************************[/FONT] [COLOR=blue]Kindly refer above.Here Lord Krishna is stated to be the Divine Lord.The reference cannot be rejected by giving out some logic that Krishna was the Avtaar of the God in some particular Yug. Bani is 'Nirankaar' would mean that every thing stated is truth. If one has to change the context or alter the words to arrive at the meaning that suits us the entire purpose is lost.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]We shall have to explain as to what is that suits sikhi and sikhism. What is wrong if We accept Krishna as the Primal Lord as is stated in the above lines.It has been taken from ASA DI VAAR. I hope the translation is correct.[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]One may refer the post no.1 where in the purpose of the thread is very clearly stated. It has been over shadowed by the subsequent post that was irrelevant but was forced into due to the reasons known to the author.:}--}:[/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]In any case I do not find any reason to reject Krishna as the Primal lord because somewhere else it has not been written so or Bhai Gurdas ji explains better. Gurdas ji was just a scribe of the Guru sahib and His words cannot replace the words of guru sahibaan. [/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]Bani Nirankaar hey! has its own scope and area of coverage. it cannot be applied to everything and anything entered in the Granth sahib. It shall reduce the value of the Bani if we keep on altering the meaning of the bani as it suits us. [/COLOR] [COLOR=blue]Who shall decide this.?It should be answered by theone who has knowledge of Gurmukhi else let it go. We can discuss it some other time when you have acquired the knowledge.Posting the translations in english is an additional burden. Some of the times the translations are not correct.[/COLOR] [FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=1]Bhul Chuk Mauf[/SIZE] [/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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