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Baavan Akhree (The 52 Letters) Shabad Questions
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<blockquote data-quote="Ishna" data-source="post: 192120" data-attributes="member: 2709"><p>Gurufatehji</p><p></p><p>On <a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=250&g=1&h=0&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0&fb=0" target="_blank">panna 250</a> of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Arjan begins a shabad called <em>Baavan Akhree</em> (The 52 Letters), in Raag Gauree. This shabad goes from angs 250 to 262 and includes shaloks which open a paurhee which usually references a letter of the Gumukhi alphabet.</p><p></p><p>I have some questions about this composition, if you would indulge me, please. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Why do you think some letters are at the beginning of multiple paurhees, for example LALLA at paurhees 11 and 12 (which is towards the middle of ang 252), and why do you think some paurhees don't seem to start with a letter at all, like paurhee 13?</p><p></p><p>Are all the 52 letters actually represented in the composition?</p><p></p><p>Do you think there's a reason why Guruji put the letters in the order that he did? Starting with Oan (which is meant to be Urah?) but instead of going to Aira he goes to Sassa? Was the Gurmukhi alphabet displayed in a different order 430 years ago?</p><p></p><p>And don't you think it's interesting how he started and finished this composition with a specific and incredibly beautiful shalok, as follows:</p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: rgb(0, 102, 204)">ਸਲੋਕੁ </span>॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Salok.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">Shalok:</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮਾਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਿਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰਾ </span>॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev māṯā gurḏev piṯā gurḏev su▫āmī parmesurā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Divine Guru is my mother, the Divine Guru is my father; the Divine Guru is my Transcendent Lord and Master.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਖਾ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਭੰਜਨੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਬੰਧਿਪ ਸਹੋਦਰਾ </span>॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev sakẖā agi▫ān bẖanjan gurḏev banḏẖip sahoḏarā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Divine Guru is my companion, the Destroyer of ignorance; the Divine Guru is my relative and brother.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਦਾਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਨਿਰੋਧਰਾ </span>॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev ḏāṯā har nām upḏesai gurḏev manṯ niroḏẖarā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Divine Guru is the Giver, the Teacher of the Lord's Name. The Divine Guru is the Mantra which never fails.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਾਂਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਬੁਧਿ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਾਰਸ ਪਰਸ ਪਰਾ </span>॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev sāʼnṯ saṯ buḏẖ mūraṯ gurḏev pāras paras parā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Divine Guru is the Image of peace, truth and wisdom. The Divine Guru is the Philosopher's Stone - touching it, one is transformed.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰੋਵਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਜਨੁ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਾ </span>॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev ṯirath amriṯ sarovar gur gi▫ān majan apramparā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Divine Guru is the sacred shrine of pilgrimage, and the pool of divine ambrosia; bathing in the Guru's wisdom, one experiences the Infinite.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰਤਾ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਸਭਿ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਾਪ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਰਤਾ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਤਿਤ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਵਿਤ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰਾ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)">॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev karṯā sabẖ pāp harṯā gurḏev paṯiṯ paviṯ karā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Divine Guru is the Creator, and the Destroyer of all sins; the Divine Guru is the Purifier of sinners.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਆਦਿ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਉਧਰਾ </span>॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev āḏ jugāḏ jug jug gurḏev manṯ har jap uḏẖrā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">The Divine Guru existed at the primal beginning, throughout the ages, in each and every age. The Divine Guru is the Mantra of the Lord's Name; chanting it, one is saved.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਸੰਗਤਿ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪ੍ਰਭ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਮੇਲਿ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਰਿ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਕਿਰਪਾ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਹਮ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਮੂੜ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਪਾਪੀ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਜਿਤੁ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਲਗਿ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਤਰਾ </span></span><span style="color: rgb(128, 0, 0)">॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev sangaṯ parabẖ mel kar kirpā ham mūṛ pāpī jiṯ lag ṯarā.</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="color: #000080">O God, please be merciful to me, that I may be with the Divine Guru; I am a foolish sinner, but holding onto Him, I am carried across.</span></span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #800000"><span style="color: #0066cc">ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਰਾ </span>॥੧॥</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'">Gurḏev saṯgur pārbarahm parmesar gurḏev Nānak har namaskarā. ||1||</span> </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="font-family: 'TAHOMA'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128)">The Divine Guru is the True Guru, the Supreme Lord God, the Transcendent Lord; Nanak bows in humble reverence to the Lord, the Divine Guru. ||1||</span></span></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"></p><p>Many thanks. <img src="/images/smilies/sikhsmileys/mundakhalsaflag.gif" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":mundakhalsaflag:" title="Mundakhalsaflag :mundakhalsaflag:" data-shortname=":mundakhalsaflag:" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ishna, post: 192120, member: 2709"] Gurufatehji On [URL='http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.gurbani?Action=Page&Param=250&g=1&h=0&r=1&t=1&p=0&k=0&fb=0']panna 250[/URL] of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, Guru Arjan begins a shabad called [I]Baavan Akhree[/I] (The 52 Letters), in Raag Gauree. This shabad goes from angs 250 to 262 and includes shaloks which open a paurhee which usually references a letter of the Gumukhi alphabet. I have some questions about this composition, if you would indulge me, please. :) Why do you think some letters are at the beginning of multiple paurhees, for example LALLA at paurhees 11 and 12 (which is towards the middle of ang 252), and why do you think some paurhees don't seem to start with a letter at all, like paurhee 13? Are all the 52 letters actually represented in the composition? Do you think there's a reason why Guruji put the letters in the order that he did? Starting with Oan (which is meant to be Urah?) but instead of going to Aira he goes to Sassa? Was the Gurmukhi alphabet displayed in a different order 430 years ago? And don't you think it's interesting how he started and finished this composition with a specific and incredibly beautiful shalok, as follows: [INDENT][FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=rgb(0, 102, 204)]ਸਲੋਕੁ [/COLOR]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Salok.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]Shalok:[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮਾਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਿਤਾ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਪਰਮੇਸੁਰਾ [/COLOR]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev māṯā gurḏev piṯā gurḏev su▫āmī parmesurā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Divine Guru is my mother, the Divine Guru is my father; the Divine Guru is my Transcendent Lord and Master.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਖਾ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਭੰਜਨੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਬੰਧਿਪ ਸਹੋਦਰਾ [/COLOR]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev sakẖā agi▫ān bẖanjan gurḏev banḏẖip sahoḏarā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Divine Guru is my companion, the Destroyer of ignorance; the Divine Guru is my relative and brother.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਦਾਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਉਪਦੇਸੈ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਨਿਰੋਧਰਾ [/COLOR]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev ḏāṯā har nām upḏesai gurḏev manṯ niroḏẖarā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Divine Guru is the Giver, the Teacher of the Lord's Name. The Divine Guru is the Mantra which never fails.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਾਂਤਿ ਸਤਿ ਬੁਧਿ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਪਾਰਸ ਪਰਸ ਪਰਾ [/COLOR]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev sāʼnṯ saṯ buḏẖ mūraṯ gurḏev pāras paras parā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Divine Guru is the Image of peace, truth and wisdom. The Divine Guru is the Philosopher's Stone - touching it, one is transformed.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਤੀਰਥੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਸਰੋਵਰੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨ ਮਜਨੁ ਅਪਰੰਪਰਾ [/COLOR]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev ṯirath amriṯ sarovar gur gi▫ān majan apramparā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Divine Guru is the sacred shrine of pilgrimage, and the pool of divine ambrosia; bathing in the Guru's wisdom, one experiences the Infinite.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰਤਾ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਸਭਿ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਾਪ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਰਤਾ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਤਿਤ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਵਿਤ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰਾ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev karṯā sabẖ pāp harṯā gurḏev paṯiṯ paviṯ karā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Divine Guru is the Creator, and the Destroyer of all sins; the Divine Guru is the Purifier of sinners.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਆਦਿ ਜੁਗਾਦਿ ਜੁਗੁ ਜੁਗੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਮੰਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਜਪਿ ਉਧਰਾ [/COLOR]॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev āḏ jugāḏ jug jug gurḏev manṯ har jap uḏẖrā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]The Divine Guru existed at the primal beginning, throughout the ages, in each and every age. The Divine Guru is the Mantra of the Lord's Name; chanting it, one is saved.[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਸੰਗਤਿ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪ੍ਰਭ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਮੇਲਿ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਰਿ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਕਿਰਪਾ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਹਮ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਮੂੜ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਪਾਪੀ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਜਿਤੁ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਲਗਿ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)][COLOR=#0066cc]ਤਰਾ [/COLOR][/COLOR][COLOR=rgb(128, 0, 0)]॥[/COLOR][/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev sangaṯ parabẖ mel kar kirpā ham mūṛ pāpī jiṯ lag ṯarā.[/FONT] [FONT=TAHOMA][COLOR=#000080]O God, please be merciful to me, that I may be with the Divine Guru; I am a foolish sinner, but holding onto Him, I am carried across.[/COLOR][/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=AnmolUniPr][SIZE=3][COLOR=#800000][COLOR=#0066cc]ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਗੁਰਦੇਵ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਮਸਕਰਾ [/COLOR]॥੧॥[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=TAHOMA]Gurḏev saṯgur pārbarahm parmesar gurḏev Nānak har namaskarā. ||1||[/FONT] [/SIZE] [FONT=TAHOMA][SIZE=3][COLOR=rgb(0, 0, 128)]The Divine Guru is the True Guru, the Supreme Lord God, the Transcendent Lord; Nanak bows in humble reverence to the Lord, the Divine Guru. ||1||[/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [/INDENT] Many thanks. :mundakhalsaflag: [/QUOTE]
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