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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 85571" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: Q&A with Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em><span style="color: DarkRed">you already admitted in your previous posts to be Maya inflicted</span></em></p><p>You are confusing a great many things. I have always made a distinction between the demi-gods who are Maya-inflicted, and the das avtaaras who are Paramjyoti in the sansaar.</p><p></p><p>God is infinity. But all the infinite millions are ONE. There is a secret... no one is "unimportant. Not even a poor man. Not even a shudra.. Because the Divine Beloved One is All-pervading." The das avtaaras are important to us because they belong to our world. They are manifestations of God's Light in "Our" world so we can perceive HIM, the Divine Beloved One. Why would we ignore the Lights God sends us? Where in Gurbani does it say the avataars are "deceiving" the world, with your personal implication of "false light?" Why do you think evil of the avataars of God?</p><p></p><p>When Guruji speaking from God-consciousness tells of the ebbing and flowing of worlds upon worlds, and the Divine Play which dances even unchanged through countless eras and unimaginable destruction and demise of every old way, why do you think it means something negative about Avataaras? When Guruji speaking from God-consciousness in Gurbani writes there are worlds upon worlds and millions of avataaras, why can you not see the glory of God shining Light into infinity? Why do you presume them to be "worthless?" Can you survive without the sun? Because the sun is physical and will pass away someday, does that make it "worthless?" You are not speaking from God-consciousness. Without the sun you would wither and die. The sun is wonderful. The earth is wonderful. The Life is precious. And the Satguru Avataar who manifests the infinite Light of nirgun God into sansaara is the most wonderful of all.</p><p></p><p>Raam cried. This is a sin? You don't cry? Guruji never cried in any of His human forms? He was impersonal and inhuman? Guruji didn't suffer torture? Guruji didn't suffer grief? You have an unrealistic concept of avataars. They are fully human, and when merged in God-consciousness, fully Divine. How does this make Him "deceitful?" One of the most famous verses in the Christian Bible which speaks of the Beloved relationship Guru Jesus has with His disciples and with the suffering world is the shortest sentence. It consists of only two words, yet it is the most famous sentence in the Bible:</p><p></p><p>"Jesus wept."</p><p></p><p></p><p>The reason this sentence is so famous is because it shows so clearly, Jesus loved us. Raam wept because He loved Sita. Sita is representation of the atma captured by the demon. And Raam represents the Paramatma who wants to be always in the Presence of His Beloved. Raam wept because He loves all of us. That is why Raam Naam is a boat of mukti.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">jasarathh raae nandh raajaa maeraa raam chandh pranavai naamaa thath ras anmrith peejai ||4||4||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra,the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv,I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">~SGGS Ji p. 973</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It is amazing gymnastics by which Sikhs come out with the unbelievable theory, that Raam doesn't mean Raam. It means Raam to everyone else, Sufis, Ramanadis, Kabirpanthis, Vaishnavas. But when Gurbani japs the Naam of Raam, it ceases to be Raam, and becomes only nirguna. Amazing. Don't you understand that in every tradition which japs Raam Naam, it is both sarguna AND nirguna?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">thraethai thai maaniou raam raghuvans kehaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">dhuaapur kirasan muraar kans kirathaarathh keeou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ougrasain ko raaj abhai bhagatheh jan dheeou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">kalijug pramaan naanak gur angadh amar kehaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">~SGGS Ji p. 1390</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਧਰਣੀਧਰ ਈਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">dhharaneedhhar ees <strong>narasingh naaraaein</strong> ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The Support of the Earth, the man-lion, the Supreme Lord God.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਦਾੜਾ ਅਗ੍ਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮਿ ਧਰਾਇਣ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">dhaarraa agrae prithham dhharaaein ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">The Protector who tears apart demons with His teeth, the Upholder of the earth. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਬਾਵਨ ਰੂਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਤੁਧੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਸੇਤੀ ਹੈ ਚੰਗਾ ॥੩॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">baavan roop keeaa thudhh karathae sabh hee saethee hai changaa ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">O Creator, You assumed the form of the pygmy to humble the demons; You are the Lord God of all. ||3||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple"><strong>sree raamachandh </strong>jis roop n raekhiaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">You are the Great Raam Chand, who has no form or feature.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Purple">~SGGS Ji p. 1082</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Narasingh Narain. Sri Raam Chand. Seriously the Naam of Raam is clearly spoken in context of the das avtaaras of Vishnu. Later the pauri clearly says the four-armed Lord holding conch, mace, and chakr. But still this is not Raam Chandra of Avodya? It is not Haree Krishna of Vrindaban and gopis? Then why does Gurbani itself contradict you?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਚੋਜੀ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦਾ ਚੋਜੀ ਮੇਰੇ ਪਿਆਰਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਚੋਜੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">chojee maerae <strong>govindhaa</strong> chojee maerae piaariaa har prabh maeraa chojee jeeo ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Playful is my Lord of the Universe; playful is my Beloved. My Lord God is wondrous and playful. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਕਾਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਖੋਜੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">har aapae <strong>kaanha</strong> oupaaeidhaa maerae <strong>govidhaa har</strong> aapae <strong>gopee</strong> khojee jeeo ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Lord Himself created Krishna, O my Lord of the Universe; the Lord Himself is the milkmaids who seek Him. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਸਭ ਘਟ ਭੋਗਦਾ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦਾ ਆਪੇ ਰਸੀਆ ਭੋਗੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">har aapae sabh ghatt bhogadhaa maerae govindhaa aapae raseeaa bhogee jeeo ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Lord Himself enjoys every heart, O my Lord of the Universe; He Himself is the Ravisher and the Enjoyer.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਹਰਿ ਸੁਜਾਣੁ ਨ ਭੁਲਈ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦਾ ਆਪੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜੋਗੀ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">har sujaan n bhulee maerae govindhaa aapae <strong>sathigur</strong> jogee jeeo ||1||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The Lord is All-knowing - He cannot be fooled, O my Lord of the Universe. He is the True Guru, the Yogi. ||1|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ਖੇਲੈ ਬਹੁ ਰੰਗੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">aapae jagath oupaaeidhaa maerae govidhaa har aap khaelai bahu rangee jeeo ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">He Himself created the world, O my Lord of the Universe; the Lord Himself plays in so many ways!</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 174</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਅਖੀ ਮੀਟ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਧਰਿ ਹਾਹਾ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਕਰੈ ਬਿਲਲਾਂਦੀ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">akhee meet dhiaanu dhari haahaa krisan karai bilalaandee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">Crying, totally dejected and helpless, she closed her eyes. Single-mindedly she invoked Krishna for help.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਕਪੜ ਕੋਟੁ ਉਸਾਰਿਓਨੁ ਥਕੇ ਦੂਤ ਨ ਪਾਰਿ ਵਸਾਂਦੀ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">kaparh kotu usaariaonu dakay doot n paari vasaandee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The servants were taking off the clothes from her body but more layers of clothes formed a fort around her; the servants got tired but the layers of clothes were never ending.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਹਥ ਮਰੋੜਨਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਧੁਣਨਿ ਪਛੋਤਾਨਿ ਕਰਨਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਜਾਂਦੀ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">had marorhani siru dhunani pachhotaani karani jaahi jaandee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The servants were now writhing and frustrated on their abortive attempt and felt that they themselves were ashamed.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਘਰਿ ਆਈ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ਪੈਜ ਰਹੀ ਬੋਲੇ ਸਰਮਾਂਦੀ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ghari aaee tdaakur milay paij rahee bolay saramaandee|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">On reaching home, Dropati was asked by Lord Krishna whether she was saved in the assembly.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਨਾਥ ਅਨਾਥਾਂ ਬਾਣਿ ਧੁਰਾਂਦੀ ॥੮॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">naad anaadaan baani dhuraandee ॥8॥</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">She shyly replied, “Since perennial times you are living up to your reputation of being father of the fatherless ones.”</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">~Vaar 10 Pauri 8 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਚਰਣ ਕਵਲ ਵਿਚਿ ਪਦਮੁ ਹੈ ਝਿਲਮਿਲ ਝਲਕੇ ਵਾਂਗੀ ਤਾਰੇ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">charan kaval vichi padamu hai jhilamil jhalakay vaangee taaray|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">The lotus sign in his foot was illuminating like a star. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਬਧਕੁ ਆਇਆ ਭਾਲਦਾ ਮਿਰਗੈ ਜਾਣਿ ਬਾਣੁ ਲੈ ਮਾਰੇ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">badhaku aaiaa bhaaladaa miragai jaani baanu|ai maaray|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">A hunter came and considering it an eye of a deer, shot the arrow. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਦਰਸਨ ਡਿਠੋਸੁ ਜਾਇ ਕੈ ਕਰਣ ਪਲਾਵ ਕਰੇ ਪੁਕਾਰੇ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">darasan ditdosu jaai kai karan palaav karay pukaaray|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">As he approached, he realised it was Krishna. He became full of sorrow and begged forgiveness. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਗਲਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਲੀਤਾ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਜੀ ਅਵਗੁਣੁ ਕੀਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨ ਚਿਤਾਰੇ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">gali vichi|eetaa krisan jee avagunu keetaa hari n chitaaray|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">Krishna ignored his wrong act and embraced him. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਸੰਤੋਖਿਆ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਣੁ ਬਿਰਦੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">kari kirapaa santokhiaa patit udhaaranu biradu beechaaray|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">Gracefully Krishna asked him to be full of perseverance and gave sactuary to the wrongdoer.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਭਲੇ ਭਲੇ ਕਰਿ ਮੰਨੀਅਨਿ ਬੁਰਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੇ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">bhalay bhalay kari manneeani buriaan day hari kaaj savaaray|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">The good is said good by everyone but the works of the evil doers are set right by the Lord only. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਪਾਪ ਕਰੇਂਦੇ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰੇ ॥੨੩॥੧੦॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">paap karaynday patit udhaaray ॥23॥10॥</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">He has liberated many fallen sinners.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">~Vaar 10 Pauri 23 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Does Vaaran and Gurbani make Krishna sound the way you do? deceitful, Maya-inflicted, boasting, vain? No! Gurbani calls Him the Lord God. And before you go into some delusion about disgusting kaam, you should know that Krishna is known as the stealer of hearts who takes devotees by force, because His love is so sweet, it is irresistible. In this respect, these are metaphors for the soul being swooned by a love affair with the Divine Beloved and not some sordid tale of seduction. Here is an example of this kind of Divine Love. Rather than something sordid, it speaks of the highest mysticism.</p><p></p><p></p><p>There is a story that Radha, watching the sweet lips of Krishna wrapped all night around His flute, became jealous. "Why don't you wrap your lips around me and play me like you play your flute," she pouted. And Guru Krishna turned the flute sideways and said, "See, it is completely empty. When you divest yourself of all things I will come to fill you." This isn't sexual love, but it is spoken like that. It is the highest spiritual love. It is about the total surrender of the chela to the Guru in authentic Guru-disciple relationship. This is the highest love on earth precisely because it is completely pure. It is the devotional love, bhakti, through which the Presence of God which is Love can flow. And once you have tasted true bhakti, you become a bairaagi on this earth, because nothing else will ever satisfy you. So in this sense, the Divine Beloved has stolen your affection and ravished His Beloved.</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">All I Was Doing Was Breathing</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">Something has reached out and taken in the beams of my eyes.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">There is a longing, it is for his body, for every hair of that dark body.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">All I was doing was being, and the Dancing Energy came by my house.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">His face looks curiously like the moon, I saw it from the side, smiling.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">My family says: "Don't ever see him again!" And they imply things in a low voice.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">But my eyes have their own life; they laugh at rules, and know whose they are.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">I believe I can bear on my shoulders whatever you want to say of me.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">Mira says: Without the energy that lifts mountains, how am I to live?</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">~Mirabai</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">The Freshness</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">When it's cold and raining,</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">you are more beautiful.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">And the snow brings me</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">even closer to your lips.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">The inner secret, that which was never born,</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">you are that freshness, and I am with you now.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">I can't explain the goings,</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">or the comings. You enter suddenly,</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">and I am nowhere again.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">Inside the majesty.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Indigo">~Jallaluddin Rumi</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>The problem with most Sikhs is they think only Shri Guru Granth Sahib is a legitimate Guru in a world of fakes. If you only knew. What's to gain by belittling as worthless the Guru-chela bond another person has? Does it somehow validate anyone to put down Sri Krishna as "boasting" "deceitful" or "deluded?" Gurbani says He is the same as Guruji. Bhagavad-Gita is one of the classic spiritual scriptures. It's absolutely magnificent. You can't even touch a single page of it's depth, beauty and wisdom with your negative comments. They reflect back on you like a mirror.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Brahma is a demi-god. Maha-Vishnu and the das avtaaras are sargun saroop of the nirguna. You complain about the picture all the time veer ji. So explain, why did Guruji paint that exact same picture with words in Gurbani calling as Supreme Lord God what you call "imaginary" and "stuck in Maya?" Why do you contradict Gurbani? All you do is look for insults. Never do you try to appreciate and understand a different perspective.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">sreerang baikunth kae vaasee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The Lover of greatness, who dwells in heaven. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਮਛੁ ਕਛੁ ਕੂਰਮੁ ਆਗਿਆ ਅਉਤਰਾਸੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">mashh kashh kooram aagiaa aoutharaasee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਕੇਸਵ ਚਲਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਰਾਲੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਲੋੜਹਿ ਸੋ ਹੋਇਗਾ ॥੮॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">kaesav chalath karehi niraalae keethaa lorrehi so hoeigaa ||8||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The Lord of beauteous hair, the Worker of miraculous deeds, whatever He wishes, comes to pass. ||8||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">niraahaaree niravair samaaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲੁ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">dhhaar khael chathurabhuj kehaaeiaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">saaval sundhar roop banaavehi baen sunath sabh mohaigaa ||9||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਬਨਮਾਲਾ ਬਿਭੂਖਨ ਕਮਲ ਨੈਨ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">banamaalaa bibhookhan kamal nain ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">sundhar kunddal mukatt bain ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">sankh chakr gadhaa hai dhhaaree mehaa saarathhee sathasangaa ||10||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">peeth peethanbar thribhavan dhhanee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">jagannaathh gopaal mukh bhanee ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Green">~SGGS Ji p. 1082</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Somehow the above pauri doesn't sound like description of someone stuck in Maya, deluded, boasting or imaginary at all. But sounds like powerful spiritual symbolism very clearly describing the sargun as nirguna.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You never answered anything. You just throw out insults to demean and to deny what you can neither accept nor understand.</p><p></p><p>If Guru Nanak is merged with God, then there is no limited sectarian personality of Guru Nanak anymore, such as you describe, a True Sun in a mist of fake pretenders. But the Universal Divine Light is pervading in the hearts of all people, equally, without despising anyone. In the words of the Apostle Paul, "I have become all things to all men so that all through me might be saved." As Gurbani tells you there are millions and millions of avataaras, so you see as worthless, what you should see as millions of Satguru Nanak's. No one can claim some limited sense of proprietary ownership, like this baseball team against that baseball team. What kind of attitude says, "We have Guru Nanak, thay have all the fakes, poor them." How silly. Spirituality doesn't work that way. The God is God. Every form is God. God's Light shines in avataars to set captive beings free. No one can insult or degrade such a high and pure message of Divine Love. </p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Blue">"The wise who knows the Self as bodiless within the bodies, as unchanging among changing things, as great and omnipresent, does never grieve". "That self cannot be gained by the Veda, nor by understanding, nor by much learning. He whom the Self chooses, by him the Self can be gained. The Self chooses him (his body) as his own". But he who has not first turned away from his wickedness, who is not tranquil, and subdued, or whose mind is not at rest, he can never obtain the Self (even) by knowledge. ~Katha Upanishad 1.2.22-24</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 85571, member: 2125"] [b]Re: Q&A with Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal[/b] [I][COLOR="DarkRed"]you already admitted in your previous posts to be Maya inflicted[/COLOR][/I] You are confusing a great many things. I have always made a distinction between the demi-gods who are Maya-inflicted, and the das avtaaras who are Paramjyoti in the sansaar. God is infinity. But all the infinite millions are ONE. There is a secret... no one is "unimportant. Not even a poor man. Not even a shudra.. Because the Divine Beloved One is All-pervading." The das avtaaras are important to us because they belong to our world. They are manifestations of God's Light in "Our" world so we can perceive HIM, the Divine Beloved One. Why would we ignore the Lights God sends us? Where in Gurbani does it say the avataars are "deceiving" the world, with your personal implication of "false light?" Why do you think evil of the avataars of God? When Guruji speaking from God-consciousness tells of the ebbing and flowing of worlds upon worlds, and the Divine Play which dances even unchanged through countless eras and unimaginable destruction and demise of every old way, why do you think it means something negative about Avataaras? When Guruji speaking from God-consciousness in Gurbani writes there are worlds upon worlds and millions of avataaras, why can you not see the glory of God shining Light into infinity? Why do you presume them to be "worthless?" Can you survive without the sun? Because the sun is physical and will pass away someday, does that make it "worthless?" You are not speaking from God-consciousness. Without the sun you would wither and die. The sun is wonderful. The earth is wonderful. The Life is precious. And the Satguru Avataar who manifests the infinite Light of nirgun God into sansaara is the most wonderful of all. Raam cried. This is a sin? You don't cry? Guruji never cried in any of His human forms? He was impersonal and inhuman? Guruji didn't suffer torture? Guruji didn't suffer grief? You have an unrealistic concept of avataars. They are fully human, and when merged in God-consciousness, fully Divine. How does this make Him "deceitful?" One of the most famous verses in the Christian Bible which speaks of the Beloved relationship Guru Jesus has with His disciples and with the suffering world is the shortest sentence. It consists of only two words, yet it is the most famous sentence in the Bible: "Jesus wept." The reason this sentence is so famous is because it shows so clearly, Jesus loved us. Raam wept because He loved Sita. Sita is representation of the atma captured by the demon. And Raam represents the Paramatma who wants to be always in the Presence of His Beloved. Raam wept because He loves all of us. That is why Raam Naam is a boat of mukti. [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]ਜਸਰਥ ਰਾਇ ਨੰਦੁ ਰਾਜਾ ਮੇਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਚੰਦੁ ਪ੍ਰਣਵੈ ਨਾਮਾ ਤਤੁ ਰਸੁ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਜੈ ॥੪॥੪॥ jasarathh raae nandh raajaa maeraa raam chandh pranavai naamaa thath ras anmrith peejai ||4||4|| My Sovereign Lord King is Raam Chandra,the Son of the King Dasrat'h; prays Naam Dayv,I drink in the Ambrosial Nectar. ||4||4|| ~SGGS Ji p. 973[/COLOR][/INDENT] It is amazing gymnastics by which Sikhs come out with the unbelievable theory, that Raam doesn't mean Raam. It means Raam to everyone else, Sufis, Ramanadis, Kabirpanthis, Vaishnavas. But when Gurbani japs the Naam of Raam, it ceases to be Raam, and becomes only nirguna. Amazing. Don't you understand that in every tradition which japs Raam Naam, it is both sarguna AND nirguna? [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ thraethai thai maaniou raam raghuvans kehaaeiou || In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty. ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥ dhuaapur kirasan muraar kans kirathaarathh keeou || In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans. ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥ ougrasain ko raaj abhai bhagatheh jan dheeou || You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness. ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ kalijug pramaan naanak gur angadh amar kehaaeiou || In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das. ~SGGS Ji p. 1390[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Purple"]ਧਰਣੀਧਰ ਈਸ ਨਰਸਿੰਘ ਨਾਰਾਇਣ ॥ dhharaneedhhar ees [B]narasingh naaraaein[/B] || The Support of the Earth, the man-lion, the Supreme Lord God. ਦਾੜਾ ਅਗ੍ਰੇ ਪ੍ਰਿਥਮਿ ਧਰਾਇਣ ॥ dhaarraa agrae prithham dhharaaein || The Protector who tears apart demons with His teeth, the Upholder of the earth. ਬਾਵਨ ਰੂਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਤੁਧੁ ਕਰਤੇ ਸਭ ਹੀ ਸੇਤੀ ਹੈ ਚੰਗਾ ॥੩॥ baavan roop keeaa thudhh karathae sabh hee saethee hai changaa ||3|| O Creator, You assumed the form of the pygmy to humble the demons; You are the Lord God of all. ||3|| ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮਚੰਦ ਜਿਸੁ ਰੂਪੁ ਨ ਰੇਖਿਆ ॥ [B]sree raamachandh [/B]jis roop n raekhiaa || You are the Great Raam Chand, who has no form or feature. ~SGGS Ji p. 1082[/COLOR][/INDENT] Narasingh Narain. Sri Raam Chand. Seriously the Naam of Raam is clearly spoken in context of the das avtaaras of Vishnu. Later the pauri clearly says the four-armed Lord holding conch, mace, and chakr. But still this is not Raam Chandra of Avodya? It is not Haree Krishna of Vrindaban and gopis? Then why does Gurbani itself contradict you? [INDENT][COLOR="Navy"]ਚੋਜੀ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦਾ ਚੋਜੀ ਮੇਰੇ ਪਿਆਰਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਚੋਜੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ chojee maerae [B]govindhaa[/B] chojee maerae piaariaa har prabh maeraa chojee jeeo || Playful is my Lord of the Universe; playful is my Beloved. My Lord God is wondrous and playful. ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਕਾਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਗੋਪੀ ਖੋਜੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ har aapae [B]kaanha[/B] oupaaeidhaa maerae [B]govidhaa har[/B] aapae [B]gopee[/B] khojee jeeo || The Lord Himself created Krishna, O my Lord of the Universe; the Lord Himself is the milkmaids who seek Him. ਹਰਿ ਆਪੇ ਸਭ ਘਟ ਭੋਗਦਾ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦਾ ਆਪੇ ਰਸੀਆ ਭੋਗੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ har aapae sabh ghatt bhogadhaa maerae govindhaa aapae raseeaa bhogee jeeo || The Lord Himself enjoys every heart, O my Lord of the Universe; He Himself is the Ravisher and the Enjoyer. ਹਰਿ ਸੁਜਾਣੁ ਨ ਭੁਲਈ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦਾ ਆਪੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਜੋਗੀ ਜੀਉ ॥੧॥ har sujaan n bhulee maerae govindhaa aapae [B]sathigur[/B] jogee jeeo ||1|| The Lord is All-knowing - He cannot be fooled, O my Lord of the Universe. He is the True Guru, the Yogi. ||1|| ਆਪੇ ਜਗਤੁ ਉਪਾਇਦਾ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿਦਾ ਹਰਿ ਆਪਿ ਖੇਲੈ ਬਹੁ ਰੰਗੀ ਜੀਉ ॥ aapae jagath oupaaeidhaa maerae govidhaa har aap khaelai bahu rangee jeeo || He Himself created the world, O my Lord of the Universe; the Lord Himself plays in so many ways! ~SGGS Ji p. 174[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Green"]ਅਖੀ ਮੀਟ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਧਰਿ ਹਾਹਾ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਕਰੈ ਬਿਲਲਾਂਦੀ । akhee meet dhiaanu dhari haahaa krisan karai bilalaandee| Crying, totally dejected and helpless, she closed her eyes. Single-mindedly she invoked Krishna for help. ਕਪੜ ਕੋਟੁ ਉਸਾਰਿਓਨੁ ਥਕੇ ਦੂਤ ਨ ਪਾਰਿ ਵਸਾਂਦੀ । kaparh kotu usaariaonu dakay doot n paari vasaandee| The servants were taking off the clothes from her body but more layers of clothes formed a fort around her; the servants got tired but the layers of clothes were never ending. ਹਥ ਮਰੋੜਨਿ ਸਿਰੁ ਧੁਣਨਿ ਪਛੋਤਾਨਿ ਕਰਨਿ ਜਾਹਿ ਜਾਂਦੀ । had marorhani siru dhunani pachhotaani karani jaahi jaandee| The servants were now writhing and frustrated on their abortive attempt and felt that they themselves were ashamed. ਘਰਿ ਆਈ ਠਾਕੁਰ ਮਿਲੇ ਪੈਜ ਰਹੀ ਬੋਲੇ ਸਰਮਾਂਦੀ । ghari aaee tdaakur milay paij rahee bolay saramaandee| On reaching home, Dropati was asked by Lord Krishna whether she was saved in the assembly. ਨਾਥ ਅਨਾਥਾਂ ਬਾਣਿ ਧੁਰਾਂਦੀ ॥੮॥ naad anaadaan baani dhuraandee ॥8॥ She shyly replied, “Since perennial times you are living up to your reputation of being father of the fatherless ones.” ~Vaar 10 Pauri 8 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]ਚਰਣ ਕਵਲ ਵਿਚਿ ਪਦਮੁ ਹੈ ਝਿਲਮਿਲ ਝਲਕੇ ਵਾਂਗੀ ਤਾਰੇ । charan kaval vichi padamu hai jhilamil jhalakay vaangee taaray| The lotus sign in his foot was illuminating like a star. ਬਧਕੁ ਆਇਆ ਭਾਲਦਾ ਮਿਰਗੈ ਜਾਣਿ ਬਾਣੁ ਲੈ ਮਾਰੇ । badhaku aaiaa bhaaladaa miragai jaani baanu|ai maaray| A hunter came and considering it an eye of a deer, shot the arrow. ਦਰਸਨ ਡਿਠੋਸੁ ਜਾਇ ਕੈ ਕਰਣ ਪਲਾਵ ਕਰੇ ਪੁਕਾਰੇ । darasan ditdosu jaai kai karan palaav karay pukaaray| As he approached, he realised it was Krishna. He became full of sorrow and begged forgiveness. ਗਲਿ ਵਿਚਿ ਲੀਤਾ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਜੀ ਅਵਗੁਣੁ ਕੀਤਾ ਹਰਿ ਨ ਚਿਤਾਰੇ । gali vichi|eetaa krisan jee avagunu keetaa hari n chitaaray| Krishna ignored his wrong act and embraced him. ਕਰਿ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਸੰਤੋਖਿਆ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰਣੁ ਬਿਰਦੁ ਬੀਚਾਰੇ । kari kirapaa santokhiaa patit udhaaranu biradu beechaaray| Gracefully Krishna asked him to be full of perseverance and gave sactuary to the wrongdoer. ਭਲੇ ਭਲੇ ਕਰਿ ਮੰਨੀਅਨਿ ਬੁਰਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਹਰਿ ਕਾਜ ਸਵਾਰੇ । bhalay bhalay kari manneeani buriaan day hari kaaj savaaray| The good is said good by everyone but the works of the evil doers are set right by the Lord only. ਪਾਪ ਕਰੇਂਦੇ ਪਤਿਤ ਉਧਾਰੇ ॥੨੩॥੧੦॥ paap karaynday patit udhaaray ॥23॥10॥ He has liberated many fallen sinners. ~Vaar 10 Pauri 23 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji[/COLOR][/INDENT] Does Vaaran and Gurbani make Krishna sound the way you do? deceitful, Maya-inflicted, boasting, vain? No! Gurbani calls Him the Lord God. And before you go into some delusion about disgusting kaam, you should know that Krishna is known as the stealer of hearts who takes devotees by force, because His love is so sweet, it is irresistible. In this respect, these are metaphors for the soul being swooned by a love affair with the Divine Beloved and not some sordid tale of seduction. Here is an example of this kind of Divine Love. Rather than something sordid, it speaks of the highest mysticism. There is a story that Radha, watching the sweet lips of Krishna wrapped all night around His flute, became jealous. "Why don't you wrap your lips around me and play me like you play your flute," she pouted. And Guru Krishna turned the flute sideways and said, "See, it is completely empty. When you divest yourself of all things I will come to fill you." This isn't sexual love, but it is spoken like that. It is the highest spiritual love. It is about the total surrender of the chela to the Guru in authentic Guru-disciple relationship. This is the highest love on earth precisely because it is completely pure. It is the devotional love, bhakti, through which the Presence of God which is Love can flow. And once you have tasted true bhakti, you become a bairaagi on this earth, because nothing else will ever satisfy you. So in this sense, the Divine Beloved has stolen your affection and ravished His Beloved. [INDENT][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]All I Was Doing Was Breathing Something has reached out and taken in the beams of my eyes. There is a longing, it is for his body, for every hair of that dark body. All I was doing was being, and the Dancing Energy came by my house. His face looks curiously like the moon, I saw it from the side, smiling. My family says: "Don't ever see him again!" And they imply things in a low voice. But my eyes have their own life; they laugh at rules, and know whose they are. I believe I can bear on my shoulders whatever you want to say of me. Mira says: Without the energy that lifts mountains, how am I to live? ~Mirabai[/COLOR][/INDENT] [INDENT][COLOR="Indigo"]The Freshness When it's cold and raining, you are more beautiful. And the snow brings me even closer to your lips. The inner secret, that which was never born, you are that freshness, and I am with you now. I can't explain the goings, or the comings. You enter suddenly, and I am nowhere again. Inside the majesty. ~Jallaluddin Rumi[/COLOR][/INDENT] The problem with most Sikhs is they think only Shri Guru Granth Sahib is a legitimate Guru in a world of fakes. If you only knew. What's to gain by belittling as worthless the Guru-chela bond another person has? Does it somehow validate anyone to put down Sri Krishna as "boasting" "deceitful" or "deluded?" Gurbani says He is the same as Guruji. Bhagavad-Gita is one of the classic spiritual scriptures. It's absolutely magnificent. You can't even touch a single page of it's depth, beauty and wisdom with your negative comments. They reflect back on you like a mirror. Brahma is a demi-god. Maha-Vishnu and the das avtaaras are sargun saroop of the nirguna. You complain about the picture all the time veer ji. So explain, why did Guruji paint that exact same picture with words in Gurbani calling as Supreme Lord God what you call "imaginary" and "stuck in Maya?" Why do you contradict Gurbani? All you do is look for insults. Never do you try to appreciate and understand a different perspective. [INDENT][COLOR="Green"]ਸ੍ਰੀਰੰਗ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੇ ਵਾਸੀ ॥ sreerang baikunth kae vaasee || The Lover of greatness, who dwells in heaven. ਮਛੁ ਕਛੁ ਕੂਰਮੁ ਆਗਿਆ ਅਉਤਰਾਸੀ ॥ mashh kashh kooram aagiaa aoutharaasee || By the Pleasure of His Will, He took incarnation as the great fish and the tortoise. ਕੇਸਵ ਚਲਤ ਕਰਹਿ ਨਿਰਾਲੇ ਕੀਤਾ ਲੋੜਹਿ ਸੋ ਹੋਇਗਾ ॥੮॥ kaesav chalath karehi niraalae keethaa lorrehi so hoeigaa ||8|| The Lord of beauteous hair, the Worker of miraculous deeds, whatever He wishes, comes to pass. ||8|| ਨਿਰਾਹਾਰੀ ਨਿਰਵੈਰੁ ਸਮਾਇਆ ॥ niraahaaree niravair samaaeiaa || He is beyond need of any sustenance, free of hate and all-pervading. ਧਾਰਿ ਖੇਲੁ ਚਤੁਰਭੁਜੁ ਕਹਾਇਆ ॥ dhhaar khael chathurabhuj kehaaeiaa || He has staged His play; He is called the four-armed Lord. ਸਾਵਲ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਰੂਪ ਬਣਾਵਹਿ ਬੇਣੁ ਸੁਨਤ ਸਭ ਮੋਹੈਗਾ ॥੯॥ saaval sundhar roop banaavehi baen sunath sabh mohaigaa ||9|| He assumed the beautiful form of the blue-skinned Krishna; hearing His flute, all are fascinated and enticed. ||9|| ਬਨਮਾਲਾ ਬਿਭੂਖਨ ਕਮਲ ਨੈਨ ॥ banamaalaa bibhookhan kamal nain || He is adorned with garlands of flowers, with lotus eyes. ਸੁੰਦਰ ਕੁੰਡਲ ਮੁਕਟ ਬੈਨ ॥ sundhar kunddal mukatt bain || His ear-rings, crown and flute are so beautiful. ਸੰਖ ਚਕ੍ਰ ਗਦਾ ਹੈ ਧਾਰੀ ਮਹਾ ਸਾਰਥੀ ਸਤਸੰਗਾ ॥੧੦॥ sankh chakr gadhaa hai dhhaaree mehaa saarathhee sathasangaa ||10|| He carries the conch, the chakra and the war club; He is the Great Charioteer, who stays with His Saints. ||10|| ਪੀਤ ਪੀਤੰਬਰ ਤ੍ਰਿਭਵਣ ਧਣੀ ॥ peeth peethanbar thribhavan dhhanee || The Lord of yellow robes, the Master of the three worlds. ਜਗੰਨਾਥੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਮੁਖਿ ਭਣੀ ॥ jagannaathh gopaal mukh bhanee || The Lord of the Universe, the Lord of the world; with my mouth, I chant His Name. ~SGGS Ji p. 1082[/COLOR][/INDENT] Somehow the above pauri doesn't sound like description of someone stuck in Maya, deluded, boasting or imaginary at all. But sounds like powerful spiritual symbolism very clearly describing the sargun as nirguna. You never answered anything. You just throw out insults to demean and to deny what you can neither accept nor understand. If Guru Nanak is merged with God, then there is no limited sectarian personality of Guru Nanak anymore, such as you describe, a True Sun in a mist of fake pretenders. But the Universal Divine Light is pervading in the hearts of all people, equally, without despising anyone. In the words of the Apostle Paul, "I have become all things to all men so that all through me might be saved." As Gurbani tells you there are millions and millions of avataaras, so you see as worthless, what you should see as millions of Satguru Nanak's. No one can claim some limited sense of proprietary ownership, like this baseball team against that baseball team. What kind of attitude says, "We have Guru Nanak, thay have all the fakes, poor them." How silly. Spirituality doesn't work that way. The God is God. Every form is God. God's Light shines in avataars to set captive beings free. No one can insult or degrade such a high and pure message of Divine Love. [INDENT][COLOR="Blue"]"The wise who knows the Self as bodiless within the bodies, as unchanging among changing things, as great and omnipresent, does never grieve". "That self cannot be gained by the Veda, nor by understanding, nor by much learning. He whom the Self chooses, by him the Self can be gained. The Self chooses him (his body) as his own". But he who has not first turned away from his wickedness, who is not tranquil, and subdued, or whose mind is not at rest, he can never obtain the Self (even) by knowledge. ~Katha Upanishad 1.2.22-24[/COLOR][/INDENT] [/QUOTE]
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