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<blockquote data-quote="Harjas Kaur Khalsa" data-source="post: 85452" data-attributes="member: 2125"><p><strong>Re: Q&A with Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal</strong></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">satijugi satigur vaasadayv vavaa visanaa naamu japaavai|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਦੁਆਪਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">duaapari satigur haree krisan haahaa hari hari naamu japaavai|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਤੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">taytay satigur raam jee raaraa raam japay sukhu paavai|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ । </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">kalijugi naanak gur gobind gagaa gobind naamu alaavai|</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: DarkOrchid">Vaar 1 Pauri 49 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji</span></p><p></p><p></p><p>How is it that Gobinda who is Har Krishna was avataar-incarnation and Satguru for Dwapara Yuga, and Gobinda is come as Satguru Nanak for Kaliyuga and you have audacity to say Krishna is "boasting" implying egotism to His utterances which Gurbani does NOT do, and thus you have defamed your own Satguru Nanak who is the same Gobinda. Not only does Gurbani say, but vaaran of Bhai Gurdas Ji clarifies that Har Krishan is SATGURU for Dwapara Yuga. So who are you to cast aspersions and defame utterances of God-consciousness in Sri Bhagavad-Gita? Vaaran explicitly is telling that Vaheguru Gurmantra of Sikhs is remembering True Guru and Har of Dwapara Yuga Hari Krishna! So how is Lord Krishna being acknowledged as Sargun saroop of the nirguna a tragedy to claim full completion as Avataar Shabad-Jyot of the Nirguna shining in darkness of sansaara?</p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue">ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਖਹ ਬਿਦਾਰਿਓ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਕੀਏ ਸਨਾਥਾ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue">haranaakhas jin nakheh bidhaariou sur nar keeeae sanaathhaa ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue">The Lord who tore Harnaakhash apart with His nails proclaimed Himself the Lord of gods and men.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue">ਕਹਿ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਹਮ ਨਰਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਵਹ ਰਾਮੁ ਅਭੈ ਪਦ ਦਾਤਾ ॥੫॥੩॥੯॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue">kehi naamadhaeo ham narehar dhhiaaveh raam abhai padh dhaathaa ||5||3||9||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue">Says Naam Dayv, I meditate on the Lord, the Man-lion, the Giver of fearless dignity. ||5||3||9</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: RoyalBlue">~SGGS Ji p. 1165</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Gurbani says the avataar Narasingh proclaims Himself to be the Lord of gods and Bhagat Naam dev meditates on the Lord God as Narasingh. Is this also "boasting?" Gurbani which you bow down your head and ego to, which has invested this bhagat bani with Gurgaddhi says Narasingh avataar sarguna, is the Lord God nirguna.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">sathajug thai maaniou shhaliou bal baavan bhaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, You were pleased to deceive Baal the king, in the form of a dwarf. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">thraethai thai maaniou raam raghuvans kehaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">dhuaapur kirasan muraar kans kirathaarathh keeou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ougrasain ko raaj abhai bhagatheh jan dheeou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">kalijug pramaan naanak gur angadh amar kehaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">sree guroo raaj abichal attal aadh purakh furamaaeiou ||7||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The sovereign rule of the Great Guru is unchanging and permanent, according the Command of the Primal Lord God. ||7|| </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵੈ ਰਵਿਦਾਸੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਜੈਦੇਵ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">gun gaavai ravidhaas bhagath jaidhaev thrilochan ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">His Glorious Praises are sung by the devotees Ravi Daas, Jai Dayv and Trilochan. </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਨਾਮਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਸਮ ਲੋਚਨ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">naamaa bhagath kabeer sadhaa gaavehi sam lochan ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The devotees Naam Dayv and Kabeer praise Him continually, knowing Him to be even-eyed.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਭਗਤੁ ਬੇਣਿ ਗੁਣ ਰਵੈ ਸਹਜਿ ਆਤਮ ਰੰਗੁ ਮਾਣੈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">bhagath baen gun ravai sehaj aatham rang maanai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">The devotee Baynee sings His Praises; He intuitively enjoys the ecstasy of the soul.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਜੋਗ ਧਿਆਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਬਿਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">jog dhhiaan gur giaan binaa prabh avar n jaanai ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">He is the Master of Yoga and meditation, and the spiritual wisdom of the Guru; He knows none other except God.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਸੁਖਦੇਉ ਪਰੀਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਤੁ ਗੁਣ ਰਵੈ ਗੋਤਮ ਰਿਖਿ ਜਸੁ ਗਾਇਓ ॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">sukhadhaeo pareekhyath gun ravai gotham rikh jas gaaeiou ||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Sukh Dayv and Preekhyat sing His Praises, and Gautam the rishi sings His Praise.</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy"></span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">ਕਬਿ ਕਲ ਸੁਜਸੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਨਿਤ ਨਵਤਨੁ ਜਗਿ ਛਾਇਓ ॥੮॥ </span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">kab kal sujas naanak gur nith navathan jag shhaaeiou ||8||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">Says KAL the poet, the ever-fresh praises of Guru Nanak are spread throughout the world. ||8||</span></p> <p style="margin-left: 20px"><span style="color: Navy">~SGGS Ji p. 1390</span></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Gurbani is clear, the God (nirguna) has manifested age to age as avataara. The God (nirguna) manifested as Har Krishan, and as Guru Nanak. So what in the world are you talking about veer ji? What false boasting about nirguna? What tragedy that you so falsely imply? How much closer to Guru Nanak Panth can Krishna get than to be called as the same lineage avataara as Guru Nanak Himself? They are ONE with Nirguna veer ji. They are ONE~ Guru Nanak Panth is same mission as Har Krishan. They uphold the Dharma age to age, and set righteousness on it's throne again when it was falling down.</p><p></p><p>~Bhul chak maaf</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Harjas Kaur Khalsa, post: 85452, member: 2125"] [b]Re: Q&A with Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowal[/b] [INDENT][COLOR="DarkOrchid"]satijugi satigur vaasadayv vavaa visanaa naamu japaavai| In Satyug, Visnu in the form of Vasudev is said to have incarnated and ‘V’ Of Vahiguru reminds of Visnu. ਦੁਆਪਰਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਹਰੀ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਹਾਹਾ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਜਪਾਵੈ । duaapari satigur haree krisan haahaa hari hari naamu japaavai| The true Guru of dvapar is said to be Harikrsna and ‘H’ of Vahiguru reminds of Hari. ਤੇਤੇ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਰਾਮ ਜੀ ਰਾਰਾ ਰਾਮ ਜਪੇ ਸੁਖੁ ਪਾਵੈ । taytay satigur raam jee raaraa raam japay sukhu paavai| In the the treta was Ram and ‘R’ of Vahiguru tells that rembering Ram will produce joy and happiness. ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਗਗਾ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਮੁ ਅਲਾਵੈ । kalijugi naanak gur gobind gagaa gobind naamu alaavai| In kalijug, Gobind is in the form of Nanak and ‘G’ of Vahiguru gets Govind recited. Vaar 1 Pauri 49 of Vaaran Bhai Gurdas Ji[/COLOR][/INDENT] How is it that Gobinda who is Har Krishna was avataar-incarnation and Satguru for Dwapara Yuga, and Gobinda is come as Satguru Nanak for Kaliyuga and you have audacity to say Krishna is "boasting" implying egotism to His utterances which Gurbani does NOT do, and thus you have defamed your own Satguru Nanak who is the same Gobinda. Not only does Gurbani say, but vaaran of Bhai Gurdas Ji clarifies that Har Krishan is SATGURU for Dwapara Yuga. So who are you to cast aspersions and defame utterances of God-consciousness in Sri Bhagavad-Gita? Vaaran explicitly is telling that Vaheguru Gurmantra of Sikhs is remembering True Guru and Har of Dwapara Yuga Hari Krishna! So how is Lord Krishna being acknowledged as Sargun saroop of the nirguna a tragedy to claim full completion as Avataar Shabad-Jyot of the Nirguna shining in darkness of sansaara? [INDENT][COLOR="RoyalBlue"]ਹਰਨਾਖਸੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਨਖਹ ਬਿਦਾਰਿਓ ਸੁਰਿ ਨਰ ਕੀਏ ਸਨਾਥਾ ॥ haranaakhas jin nakheh bidhaariou sur nar keeeae sanaathhaa || The Lord who tore Harnaakhash apart with His nails proclaimed Himself the Lord of gods and men. ਕਹਿ ਨਾਮਦੇਉ ਹਮ ਨਰਹਰਿ ਧਿਆਵਹ ਰਾਮੁ ਅਭੈ ਪਦ ਦਾਤਾ ॥੫॥੩॥੯॥ kehi naamadhaeo ham narehar dhhiaaveh raam abhai padh dhaathaa ||5||3||9|| Says Naam Dayv, I meditate on the Lord, the Man-lion, the Giver of fearless dignity. ||5||3||9 ~SGGS Ji p. 1165[/COLOR][/INDENT] Gurbani says the avataar Narasingh proclaims Himself to be the Lord of gods and Bhagat Naam dev meditates on the Lord God as Narasingh. Is this also "boasting?" Gurbani which you bow down your head and ego to, which has invested this bhagat bani with Gurgaddhi says Narasingh avataar sarguna, is the Lord God nirguna. [INDENT][COLOR="Navy"]ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥ sathajug thai maaniou shhaliou bal baavan bhaaeiou || In the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, You were pleased to deceive Baal the king, in the form of a dwarf. ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ thraethai thai maaniou raam raghuvans kehaaeiou || In the Silver Age of Traytaa Yuga, You were called Raam of the Raghu dynasty. ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥ dhuaapur kirasan muraar kans kirathaarathh keeou || In the Brass Age of Dwaapur Yuga, You were Krishna; You killed Mur the demon and saved Kans. ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥ ougrasain ko raaj abhai bhagatheh jan dheeou || You blessed Ugrasain with a kingdom, and You blessed Your humble devotees with fearlessness. ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥ kalijug pramaan naanak gur angadh amar kehaaeiou || In the Iron Age, the Dark Age of Kali Yuga, You are known and accepted as Guru Nanak, Guru Angad and Guru Amar Das. ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥ sree guroo raaj abichal attal aadh purakh furamaaeiou ||7|| The sovereign rule of the Great Guru is unchanging and permanent, according the Command of the Primal Lord God. ||7|| ਗੁਣ ਗਾਵੈ ਰਵਿਦਾਸੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਜੈਦੇਵ ਤ੍ਰਿਲੋਚਨ ॥ gun gaavai ravidhaas bhagath jaidhaev thrilochan || His Glorious Praises are sung by the devotees Ravi Daas, Jai Dayv and Trilochan. ਨਾਮਾ ਭਗਤੁ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਸਦਾ ਗਾਵਹਿ ਸਮ ਲੋਚਨ ॥ naamaa bhagath kabeer sadhaa gaavehi sam lochan || The devotees Naam Dayv and Kabeer praise Him continually, knowing Him to be even-eyed. ਭਗਤੁ ਬੇਣਿ ਗੁਣ ਰਵੈ ਸਹਜਿ ਆਤਮ ਰੰਗੁ ਮਾਣੈ ॥ bhagath baen gun ravai sehaj aatham rang maanai || The devotee Baynee sings His Praises; He intuitively enjoys the ecstasy of the soul. ਜੋਗ ਧਿਆਨਿ ਗੁਰ ਗਿਆਨਿ ਬਿਨਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ॥ jog dhhiaan gur giaan binaa prabh avar n jaanai || He is the Master of Yoga and meditation, and the spiritual wisdom of the Guru; He knows none other except God. ਸੁਖਦੇਉ ਪਰੀਖ੍ਯ੍ਯਤੁ ਗੁਣ ਰਵੈ ਗੋਤਮ ਰਿਖਿ ਜਸੁ ਗਾਇਓ ॥ sukhadhaeo pareekhyath gun ravai gotham rikh jas gaaeiou || Sukh Dayv and Preekhyat sing His Praises, and Gautam the rishi sings His Praise. ਕਬਿ ਕਲ ਸੁਜਸੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਨਿਤ ਨਵਤਨੁ ਜਗਿ ਛਾਇਓ ॥੮॥ kab kal sujas naanak gur nith navathan jag shhaaeiou ||8|| Says KAL the poet, the ever-fresh praises of Guru Nanak are spread throughout the world. ||8|| ~SGGS Ji p. 1390[/COLOR][/INDENT] Gurbani is clear, the God (nirguna) has manifested age to age as avataara. The God (nirguna) manifested as Har Krishan, and as Guru Nanak. So what in the world are you talking about veer ji? What false boasting about nirguna? What tragedy that you so falsely imply? How much closer to Guru Nanak Panth can Krishna get than to be called as the same lineage avataara as Guru Nanak Himself? They are ONE with Nirguna veer ji. They are ONE~ Guru Nanak Panth is same mission as Har Krishan. They uphold the Dharma age to age, and set righteousness on it's throne again when it was falling down. ~Bhul chak maaf [/QUOTE]
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