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<blockquote data-quote="Archived_member15" data-source="post: 163754" data-attributes="member: 17438"><p>Dearest Harry <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p> </p><p><strong>"...Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God</strong>...<strong>Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love...God is love, and those who abide in love abide in God, and God abides in them</strong>...<strong>There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love...</strong><strong>"</strong> </p><p> </p><p><em><span style="font-size: 12px">- </span></em><em>1 John 4:18 (Holy Bible) </em></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>Is this really a fair assesment of the Christian conception of God? It is not the conception of God espoused by Jesus or the Church Fathers or Saints of the Catholic Churches. It is not the God I believe in or worship. </p><p> </p><p>Catholicism teaches us that God is everywhere; that he is Unknowable in essence; that He is <em>Love itself in the plenitude of his nature without any trace or shred of hatred; </em>that he loves all, whether humans consider them good or bad; that he sustains all and that he is ultimately nothingness. </p><p> </p><p>I believe that the Creator is unknowable and inexpressible in his essence. He is pure spirit. No one has ever seen God. None can ever know him as he is in Himself. We will never and can never fully understand God. In this sense God is impersonal, transcendent, above and beyond all conceptions of human thought or imagination. In the very truest sense, God does not really "exist" in the way we do. For from Him came <em>all things</em> in existence, and so he is not Himself a "thing", not a created reality, rather he is "nothing" - that is "no-thing". In this sense there is a distiction between Creator and creature. </p><p> </p><p>And yet in a different way, God is also - without being paradoxical - knowable. He is closer to us than our own soul. He is our very being, the ground of our being, the First Cause from which springs all created reality. He is known to us through the imprint of his being which lives and moves and breathes in and through all things. He is known to us through ourselves - for our bodies are the Temples within which his Holy Spirit dwells. We are made in his Image, and so he is known to us through other human beings. God is Love and so all who love are born of God and know God. In every perfect act of human love, we see God. He enlightens all men who are in the world, who ever have been in the world and who will ever be. </p><p> </p><p>In this sense God is not separate from ourselves, and there is no distinction between Him and us. This is what Meister Eckhart understood when he exclaimed: "<strong><u>The eye with which I see God is the same with which God sees me. My eye and God's eye is one eye, and one sight, and one knowledge, and one love. Your human nature and that of the divine Word are no different.” (Meister Eckhart)</u></strong><!-- google_ad_section_end --> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p>This is from the Baltimore Catechism published in the 1870s and 1880s, that was taught to all Catholic school children throughout the United States and internationally and was the an authoritative compilation of Catholic doctrine: </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">"...</span><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong> 164. What do we mean when we say God is "infinitely perfect"? </strong></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">A. When we say God is "infinitely perfect" we mean there is no limit or bounds to His perfection; for He possesses all good qualities in the highest possible degree and He alone is "infinitely perfect."</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Q. 165. Had God a beginning? </span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">A. God had no beginning; He always was and He always will be.</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Q. 166. Where is God? </span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">A. God is everywhere.</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Q. 167. How is God everywhere? </span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">A. God is everywhere whole and entire as He is in any one place. This is true and we must believe it, though we cannot understand it.</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Q. 168. If God is everywhere, why do we not see Him? </span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">A. We do not see God, because He is a pure spirit and cannot be seen with bodily eyes.</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Q. 169. Why do we call God a "pure spirit'? </span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">A. We call God a pure spirit because He has no body. Our soul is a spirit, but not a "pure" spirit, because it was created for union with our body.</span></p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="font-size: 12px">Q. 170. Why can we not see God with the eyes of our body? </span></strong></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">A. We cannot see God with the eyes of our body because they are created to see only material things, and God is not material but spiritual..." </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">- <em><strong>The Baltimore Catechism (1885), (then) authoritative compilation of Catholic teachings</strong> </em></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">Catholicism has a rich spiritual tradition with a sacramental vision of reality that sees God's presence in everything, everwhere and in everyone. </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">To quote a doctor of the Church: </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><em>"...God said unto me: I gleam in the waters, and I burn in the sun, moon and stars. With every breeze I awaken everything to life...Oh fire of the Holy Spirit, life of the life of every creature, holy are you in giving life to forms ...Oh boldest path, penetrating into all places, in the heights, on earth, and in every abyss, you bring and bind together. From you clouds flow, air flies, Rocks have their humours, Rivers spring forth from the waters And earth wears her green vigour... Human beings cannot live without the rest of nature, they must care for all natural things...Then creation recognized its Creator in its own forms and appearances. For in the beginning, when God said, "Let it be!" and it came to pass, the means and the Matrix of creation was Love, because all creation was formed through Her as in the twinkling of an eye...Do not mock anything God has created. All creation is simple, plain and good. And God is present throughout his creation. Why do you ever consider things beneath your notice? God's justice is to be found in every detail of what he has made...No creature has meaning without the Word of God. God's Word is in all creation, visible and invisible. The Word is living, being, spirit, all verdant greening, all creativity. This Word flashes out in every creature. This is how the spirit is in the flesh—the Word is indivisible from God</em>...<em>" </em></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>- <em>Saint Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179), philosopher, mystic, visionary, artist, poet, composer, theologian and Doctor of the Catholic Church</em></strong> </span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">"...The fullness of joy is to behold God in everything..." </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>- Blessed Julian of Norwich </strong><strong>(1342 –1416), Catholic mystic</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px">"...The day of my spiritual awakening was the day I saw and knew I saw all things in God and God in all things..." </span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><strong>- Saint Mechthild of Madgeburg (c. 1207 – c. 1282/1294)</strong></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><em>Dearest brother Harry, do you find these Catholic teachings objectionable? Do you think that we do not worship the same God as Sikhs? </em></p><p> </p><p>Certainly I believe that Catholics and Sikhs worship one and the same God; as do Muslims, Hindus etc. </p><p> </p><p>We might have varying understandings of Him, but there are common, universal expressions as well and I find nothing in the Catholic conception of God that is not in tune with Sikhism apart from the obvious exceptions of the Incarnation of God in Christ and the Trinity.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Archived_member15, post: 163754, member: 17438"] Dearest Harry :-) [B]"...Beloved, let us love one another, because love is from God; everyone who loves is born of God and knows God[/B]...[B]Whoever does not love does not know God, for God is love...God is love, and those who abide in love abide in God, and God abides in them[/B]...[B]There is no fear in love, but perfect love casts out fear; for fear has to do with punishment, and whoever fears has not reached perfection in love...[/B][B]"[/B] [I][SIZE=3]- [/SIZE][/I][I]1 John 4:18 (Holy Bible) [/I] Is this really a fair assesment of the Christian conception of God? It is not the conception of God espoused by Jesus or the Church Fathers or Saints of the Catholic Churches. It is not the God I believe in or worship. Catholicism teaches us that God is everywhere; that he is Unknowable in essence; that He is [I]Love itself in the plenitude of his nature without any trace or shred of hatred; [/I]that he loves all, whether humans consider them good or bad; that he sustains all and that he is ultimately nothingness. I believe that the Creator is unknowable and inexpressible in his essence. He is pure spirit. No one has ever seen God. None can ever know him as he is in Himself. We will never and can never fully understand God. In this sense God is impersonal, transcendent, above and beyond all conceptions of human thought or imagination. In the very truest sense, God does not really "exist" in the way we do. For from Him came [I]all things[/I] in existence, and so he is not Himself a "thing", not a created reality, rather he is "nothing" - that is "no-thing". In this sense there is a distiction between Creator and creature. And yet in a different way, God is also - without being paradoxical - knowable. He is closer to us than our own soul. He is our very being, the ground of our being, the First Cause from which springs all created reality. He is known to us through the imprint of his being which lives and moves and breathes in and through all things. He is known to us through ourselves - for our bodies are the Temples within which his Holy Spirit dwells. We are made in his Image, and so he is known to us through other human beings. God is Love and so all who love are born of God and know God. In every perfect act of human love, we see God. He enlightens all men who are in the world, who ever have been in the world and who will ever be. In this sense God is not separate from ourselves, and there is no distinction between Him and us. This is what Meister Eckhart understood when he exclaimed: "[B][U]The eye with which I see God is the same with which God sees me. My eye and God's eye is one eye, and one sight, and one knowledge, and one love. Your human nature and that of the divine Word are no different.” (Meister Eckhart)[/U][/B]<!-- google_ad_section_end --> This is from the Baltimore Catechism published in the 1870s and 1880s, that was taught to all Catholic school children throughout the United States and internationally and was the an authoritative compilation of Catholic doctrine: [SIZE=3]"...[/SIZE][SIZE=3][B] 164. What do we mean when we say God is "infinitely perfect"? [/B][/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3]A. When we say God is "infinitely perfect" we mean there is no limit or bounds to His perfection; for He possesses all good qualities in the highest possible degree and He alone is "infinitely perfect."[/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3]Q. 165. Had God a beginning? [/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3]A. God had no beginning; He always was and He always will be.[/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3]Q. 166. Where is God? [/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3]A. God is everywhere.[/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3]Q. 167. How is God everywhere? [/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3]A. God is everywhere whole and entire as He is in any one place. This is true and we must believe it, though we cannot understand it.[/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3]Q. 168. If God is everywhere, why do we not see Him? [/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3]A. We do not see God, because He is a pure spirit and cannot be seen with bodily eyes.[/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3]Q. 169. Why do we call God a "pure spirit'? [/SIZE][/B] [B][SIZE=3][/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3]A. We call God a pure spirit because He has no body. Our soul is a spirit, but not a "pure" spirit, because it was created for union with our body.[/SIZE] [B][SIZE=3]Q. 170. Why can we not see God with the eyes of our body? [/SIZE][/B] [SIZE=3]A. We cannot see God with the eyes of our body because they are created to see only material things, and God is not material but spiritual..." [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]- [I][B]The Baltimore Catechism (1885), (then) authoritative compilation of Catholic teachings[/B] [/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]Catholicism has a rich spiritual tradition with a sacramental vision of reality that sees God's presence in everything, everwhere and in everyone. [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]To quote a doctor of the Church: [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][I]"...God said unto me: I gleam in the waters, and I burn in the sun, moon and stars. With every breeze I awaken everything to life...Oh fire of the Holy Spirit, life of the life of every creature, holy are you in giving life to forms ...Oh boldest path, penetrating into all places, in the heights, on earth, and in every abyss, you bring and bind together. From you clouds flow, air flies, Rocks have their humours, Rivers spring forth from the waters And earth wears her green vigour... Human beings cannot live without the rest of nature, they must care for all natural things...Then creation recognized its Creator in its own forms and appearances. For in the beginning, when God said, "Let it be!" and it came to pass, the means and the Matrix of creation was Love, because all creation was formed through Her as in the twinkling of an eye...Do not mock anything God has created. All creation is simple, plain and good. And God is present throughout his creation. Why do you ever consider things beneath your notice? God's justice is to be found in every detail of what he has made...No creature has meaning without the Word of God. God's Word is in all creation, visible and invisible. The Word is living, being, spirit, all verdant greening, all creativity. This Word flashes out in every creature. This is how the spirit is in the flesh—the Word is indivisible from God[/I]...[I]" [/I][/SIZE] [SIZE=3][B]- [I]Saint Hildegard of Bingen (1098-1179), philosopher, mystic, visionary, artist, poet, composer, theologian and Doctor of the Catholic Church[/I][/B] [/SIZE] [SIZE=3]"...The fullness of joy is to behold God in everything..." [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][B]- Blessed Julian of Norwich [/B][B](1342 –1416), Catholic mystic[/B][/SIZE] [SIZE=3]"...The day of my spiritual awakening was the day I saw and knew I saw all things in God and God in all things..." [/SIZE] [SIZE=3][B]- Saint Mechthild of Madgeburg (c. 1207 – c. 1282/1294)[/B][/SIZE] [I]Dearest brother Harry, do you find these Catholic teachings objectionable? Do you think that we do not worship the same God as Sikhs? [/I] Certainly I believe that Catholics and Sikhs worship one and the same God; as do Muslims, Hindus etc. We might have varying understandings of Him, but there are common, universal expressions as well and I find nothing in the Catholic conception of God that is not in tune with Sikhism apart from the obvious exceptions of the Incarnation of God in Christ and the Trinity. [/QUOTE]
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