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Gurbani (1118-1123)
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ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
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<blockquote data-quote="Tejwant Singh" data-source="post: 137113" data-attributes="member: 138"><p>Himmat Singh ji,</p><p> </p><p> Guru Fateh.</p><p> </p><p> Thanks for your response.</p><p> </p><p> Language is a very important thing, especially in Sikhi and that is what interests us the most as we are talking about Gurbani. However, when we use words from another language, for example in this case English, we have to be extra cautious and careful of what words we are trying to use for what meaning. Our Gurus were experts in the usage of the language and if we fail to grasp what our Gurus are talking about, then the whole effort becomes futile.</p><p> </p><p> I will be using the words and the definitions given by you to express what I am trying to convey.</p><p> </p><p> You write:</p><p> </p><p> Yes, Theo means God and logy means knowledge/study. It comes from Greek and then translated to Latin as <em>Theologia.</em> This is based on the Christian doctrine, which was based on Greek and/or Egyptian Mithra. Both of them have virgin births. </p><p> </p><p> There are two main kinds of fields in theology.</p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Dogmatic Theology: This involves dogmas of the religion. The term became famous after Martin Luther and his protestant reformation in Christianity</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Liberation Theology: This started in Latin/South America against the oppressed indigenous people and other poor people by the Roman Catholic priests. This combined Catholic theology and Socialist principles was started in effort to bring about improved conditions for the poor in Latin/South America. It is worth noting that the latter was frowned by the Catholic Church especially by the present Pope Benedict the XVI who was then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger who as the perfect of <span style="color: Black"><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith" target="_blank">Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith</a></span> (CDF) penned his own criticism about the movement in 1985.</li> </ul><p> </p><p> The people who started the Liberation theology which started in 1971 were the <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian" target="_blank">Peruvian</a> priest <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Guti%C3%A9rrez" target="_blank">Gustavo Gutiérrez</a>, who wrote one of the movement's most famous books, <em>A Theology of Liberation,</em> <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Boff" target="_blank">Leonardo Boff</a> of Brazil, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Sobrino" target="_blank">Jon Sobrino</a> of El Salvador, and <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Luis_Segundo" target="_blank">Juan Luis Segundo</a> of Uruguay.</p><p> </p><p> Leonardo Boff of Brazil spent some years behind bars during the military regimes of General Ernesto Geisel and General Joao Figueiredo in the late 70’s and early 80’s.</p><p> </p><p> Now, let’s try to define the word <strong>God as a deity</strong> which you have used for Ik Ong Kaar.</p><p> <em><strong>God </strong></em><strong>:</strong> The supreme or ultimate reality: as<strong>:</strong><strong> the Being</strong> perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe. </p><p> <strong>Deity:</strong> <strong>Any supernatural being</strong> worshiped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force</p><p><a href="http://www.google.com/url?ei=CQDiTL7DEI-usAPkx9GaCw&sig2=OFiSHi8BlsBID2AaYN6iZw&q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Ddeity&sa=X&ved=0CA4QpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNHxOaEAM7JDfxlRtQABemuY0ox6lg" target="_blank"><span style="color: green">wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn</span></a></p><p> </p><p>You write:</p><p> </p><p> Yes, you are because Ik Ong Kaar is neither <strong>a God nor any personified single deity</strong> as you claim. I would look for the description of Ik Ong Kaar once again.</p><p> </p><p> The reasons are given above and in my previous post.</p><p> </p><p> Not according to the definition of theology as mentioned above.</p><p> </p><p> One can use the word Theology in different religions provided what they offer in an abstract sense. For example Islamic theology, Buddhist theology etc. etc but Sikhi is quite a unique way of life and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru has the writings from people of different religions, hence the term theology is not applicable to Sikhi because it always has dogmas of the particular religions involved in it. Theology is not a stand alone term when we talk about the religions discussed because of the description of Theo- God which comes packaged with dogmas, unlike Sikhi.</p><p> </p><p> It does matter, as mentioned in the beginning, the language and its usage are very important in Sikhi. Our Gurus showed us that. God in Abrahamic religion is totally a different thing than Ik Ong kaar.</p><p> </p><p> Please elaborate what you mean by lack of certainty? What I understand by lack of certainty means that one has a glimpse of something that one is not certain about what it actually is. In other words one knows a bit about it. However, what is not known is simply unknowable and our Gurus kept an open mind and also urge us to do the same through Gurbani for the new discoveries as new planets are found daily. In fact, yesterday the scientists discovered a new black hole and they know its exact date. Unknowable means open to learn about what is not known today. It has nothing to do with uncertainty. I have no idea how unknowable becomes an opinion in your mind. It is a simple contradiction. This is one more reason there is no Absolute Truth as sold in the dogmatic religions. Truth in Sikhi is quite fluid due to the dynamic universes that surround us and also because of our own daily discoveries. We as Sikhs, learn,unlearn and relearn daily.</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਾਰਬਰ੍ਹਮਅਪਰੰਪਰਦੇਵਾ</span></span><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">paarbarahm aprampar dayvaa.</span></span><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span><span style="color: #000081"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">The Supreme Lord God is Infinite and Divine;</span></span><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਗਮਅਗੋਚਰਅਲਖਅਭੇਵਾ</span></span><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></span><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">agam agochar alakh abhayvaa.</span></span><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: #810000"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'"></span></span><span style="color: #000081"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">He is Inaccessible, Incomprehensible, Invisible and Inscrutable.</span></span></p><p> </p><p> Next time, please indicate the page number from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji when you refer to it. What I understand by the above is that:</p><p> </p><p> <span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">I<span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">t is hard to meet the Creator of the Universe and beyond, our Divine Master ( the name " Divine Master" is used in a metaphorical sense). Ik Ong Kaar's form is immeasurable, inaccessible and unfathomable. Ik Ong Kaar is all-pervading everywhere. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Ik Ong Kaar is above all formless and indescribable, so sublime as to be totally beyond human powers of recognition, description, or conception. </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Hence Ik Ong Kaar is called AJUNI- SEHBHUNG- THE CREATIVE ENERGY which is neither a deity nor a god in the meanings given above.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">One can not accept anything without understanding it first. This is the basic human behavioural trait.</span> Accepting without understanding anything is called blind faith that makes people blind which again Sikhi is not about.</p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The usage of surrender is often used in the English translation of Gurbani which in my opinion is incorrect. Surrender from what? The relationship between Ik Ong Kaar and us is like the Father and the Son, the Husband and the Wife. The relationship is not of surrender but of embracing each other, having a shoulder to lean on, having an ear to listen to, having a hand to hold. Nothing more. It is more a Sangam- the merger than a surrender.</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">So,surrender is again one more word that should be stricken out from the Sikhi English vocabulary.</span></p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"> </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">The same goes for faith which is another name for a dogmatic blind belief system which is nothing to do with Sikhi. Having faith or belief is different than faith or belief used in the religious aspect. Faith is dogmatic, it is nothing to do with the pragmatism of Sikhi.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">In the above, my post is mixed up with yours, so I do not quite get it what you are trying to say. Would appreciate your clarification.</span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Thanks & regards </span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'">Tejwant Singh</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p> </p><p> <span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Verdana'"></span>[/FONT]</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Tejwant Singh, post: 137113, member: 138"] Himmat Singh ji, Guru Fateh. Thanks for your response. Language is a very important thing, especially in Sikhi and that is what interests us the most as we are talking about Gurbani. However, when we use words from another language, for example in this case English, we have to be extra cautious and careful of what words we are trying to use for what meaning. Our Gurus were experts in the usage of the language and if we fail to grasp what our Gurus are talking about, then the whole effort becomes futile. I will be using the words and the definitions given by you to express what I am trying to convey. You write: Yes, Theo means God and logy means knowledge/study. It comes from Greek and then translated to Latin as [I]Theologia.[/I] This is based on the Christian doctrine, which was based on Greek and/or Egyptian Mithra. Both of them have virgin births. There are two main kinds of fields in theology. [LIST] [*]Dogmatic Theology: This involves dogmas of the religion. The term became famous after Martin Luther and his protestant reformation in Christianity [*]Liberation Theology: This started in Latin/South America against the oppressed indigenous people and other poor people by the Roman Catholic priests. This combined Catholic theology and Socialist principles was started in effort to bring about improved conditions for the poor in Latin/South America. It is worth noting that the latter was frowned by the Catholic Church especially by the present Pope Benedict the XVI who was then Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger who as the perfect of [COLOR=Black][url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_for_the_Doctrine_of_the_Faith"]Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith[/url][/COLOR] (CDF) penned his own criticism about the movement in 1985. [/LIST] The people who started the Liberation theology which started in 1971 were the [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peruvian"]Peruvian[/url] priest [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gustavo_Guti%C3%A9rrez"]Gustavo Gutiérrez[/URL], who wrote one of the movement's most famous books, [I]A Theology of Liberation,[/I] [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonardo_Boff"]Leonardo Boff[/url] of Brazil, [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Sobrino"]Jon Sobrino[/url] of El Salvador, and [url="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Luis_Segundo"]Juan Luis Segundo[/url] of Uruguay. Leonardo Boff of Brazil spent some years behind bars during the military regimes of General Ernesto Geisel and General Joao Figueiredo in the late 70’s and early 80’s. Now, let’s try to define the word [B]God as a deity[/B] which you have used for Ik Ong Kaar. [I][B]God [/B][/I][B]:[/B] The supreme or ultimate reality: as[B]:[/B][B] the Being[/B] perfect in power, wisdom, and goodness who is worshiped as creator and ruler of the universe. [B]Deity:[/B] [B]Any supernatural being[/B] worshiped as controlling some part of the world or some aspect of life or who is the personification of a force [URL="http://www.google.com/url?ei=CQDiTL7DEI-usAPkx9GaCw&sig2=OFiSHi8BlsBID2AaYN6iZw&q=http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn%3Fs%3Ddeity&sa=X&ved=0CA4QpAMoAA&usg=AFQjCNHxOaEAM7JDfxlRtQABemuY0ox6lg"][COLOR=green]wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn[/COLOR][/URL] You write: Yes, you are because Ik Ong Kaar is neither [B]a God nor any personified single deity[/B] as you claim. I would look for the description of Ik Ong Kaar once again. The reasons are given above and in my previous post. Not according to the definition of theology as mentioned above. One can use the word Theology in different religions provided what they offer in an abstract sense. For example Islamic theology, Buddhist theology etc. etc but Sikhi is quite a unique way of life and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru has the writings from people of different religions, hence the term theology is not applicable to Sikhi because it always has dogmas of the particular religions involved in it. Theology is not a stand alone term when we talk about the religions discussed because of the description of Theo- God which comes packaged with dogmas, unlike Sikhi. It does matter, as mentioned in the beginning, the language and its usage are very important in Sikhi. Our Gurus showed us that. God in Abrahamic religion is totally a different thing than Ik Ong kaar. Please elaborate what you mean by lack of certainty? What I understand by lack of certainty means that one has a glimpse of something that one is not certain about what it actually is. In other words one knows a bit about it. However, what is not known is simply unknowable and our Gurus kept an open mind and also urge us to do the same through Gurbani for the new discoveries as new planets are found daily. In fact, yesterday the scientists discovered a new black hole and they know its exact date. Unknowable means open to learn about what is not known today. It has nothing to do with uncertainty. I have no idea how unknowable becomes an opinion in your mind. It is a simple contradiction. This is one more reason there is no Absolute Truth as sold in the dogmatic religions. Truth in Sikhi is quite fluid due to the dynamic universes that surround us and also because of our own daily discoveries. We as Sikhs, learn,unlearn and relearn daily. [COLOR=#810000][FONT=Raavi]ਪਾਰਬਰ੍ਹਮਅਪਰੰਪਰਦੇਵਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#810000][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#810000][FONT=Raavi] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]paarbarahm aprampar dayvaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#810000][FONT=Raavi] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000081][FONT=Tahoma]The Supreme Lord God is Infinite and Divine;[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#810000][FONT=Raavi] ਅਗਮਅਗੋਚਰਅਲਖਅਭੇਵਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#810000][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#810000][FONT=Raavi] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]agam agochar alakh abhayvaa.[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#810000][FONT=Raavi] [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#000081][FONT=Tahoma]He is Inaccessible, Incomprehensible, Invisible and Inscrutable.[/FONT][/COLOR] Next time, please indicate the page number from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji when you refer to it. What I understand by the above is that: [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial]I[FONT=Verdana]t is hard to meet the Creator of the Universe and beyond, our Divine Master ( the name " Divine Master" is used in a metaphorical sense). Ik Ong Kaar's form is immeasurable, inaccessible and unfathomable. Ik Ong Kaar is all-pervading everywhere. Ik Ong Kaar is above all formless and indescribable, so sublime as to be totally beyond human powers of recognition, description, or conception. [/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Arial][FONT=Verdana]Hence Ik Ong Kaar is called AJUNI- SEHBHUNG- THE CREATIVE ENERGY which is neither a deity nor a god in the meanings given above.[/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Verdana]One can not accept anything without understanding it first. This is the basic human behavioural trait.[/FONT] Accepting without understanding anything is called blind faith that makes people blind which again Sikhi is not about. [FONT=Verdana]The usage of surrender is often used in the English translation of Gurbani which in my opinion is incorrect. Surrender from what? The relationship between Ik Ong Kaar and us is like the Father and the Son, the Husband and the Wife. The relationship is not of surrender but of embracing each other, having a shoulder to lean on, having an ear to listen to, having a hand to hold. Nothing more. It is more a Sangam- the merger than a surrender. So,surrender is again one more word that should be stricken out from the Sikhi English vocabulary.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][FONT=Verdana]The same goes for faith which is another name for a dogmatic blind belief system which is nothing to do with Sikhi. Having faith or belief is different than faith or belief used in the religious aspect. Faith is dogmatic, it is nothing to do with the pragmatism of Sikhi.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]In the above, my post is mixed up with yours, so I do not quite get it what you are trying to say. Would appreciate your clarification.[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana]Thanks & regards [/FONT][FONT=Verdana] Tejwant Singh [/FONT] [FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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