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Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="sunmukh" data-source="post: 137106" data-attributes="member: 11050"><p>Ek OnKaar Sat Naam</p><p> </p><p>Gurfateh Confused ji</p><p> </p><p>Thanks for your further feedback and insight</p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>Ji, one of the objectives of following Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ji is to stop being judgemental. If I keep maintaining a hard distinction between those who are right and those who are wrong, or those who understand and those who misunderstand, then this is a form of duality, which I would like to remove. By having different levels of understanding, and passing the buck as it were, to the Creator and His Hukam, as per Pauri 2 of Japji Sahib, then there is less likelihood of such duality, and less ego. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"><span style="font-size: 10px"><span style="font-family: 'Helvetica'"><span style="font-size: 10px">(Page: 1, Lines : 8-10, Jap, Author: Guru Nanak Dev)</span></span></span></span></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">(Sorry sanghat ji, I tried to cut and paste Gurmukhi as well, but fonts did not come across correctly from the Adobe pdf file I was copying from)</p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p style="text-align: left">Ji, the implication is that </p> <p style="text-align: left">1) Universal truth is what is commonly perceived as "truth", ie generally recognised as "truth" or "facts" in the general realm/sphere of human knowledge and</p> <p style="text-align: left">2) Absolute truth is actual intrinsic unchangeable eternal reality, that may or may not be the same as universal truth. </p><p></p><p style="text-align: left">eg There have been times when people believed the sun circled the earth, or the earth was the centre of the universe. This for such believers was truth, and remained truth until they accepted a revised theory. Such theories that we "know" now, may still be modified in the future, and hence they fall in realm of universal truth. Absolute truth is what the reality actually is, encompassing all laws and principles of the universe, and any unknown dimensions. </p> <p style="text-align: left">I am not trying to imply there is no value in recognising and accepting the current "truth". I just like to bear in mind that there may well be far more to the current story <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left">There are always going to be differences in how people percieve even matters such as taste smell, anger etc. The fact that there is a differnce and only the perceiver actually knows how they feel, makes the perception an opinion. When we rank them all as different opinions on a scale that has no limits at either end, then it is all just opinion. </p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left">Gurbani urges one to see friends and enemies as one and the same, or see praise and slander and one and the same. To do this one has to accept that even things like taste, or smell are all part of something that is part of the infinite variation found in the Creator's creation. By doing so, one may possibly merge into the creation, and the creation merges into a single unity with infinite variety with no ending and no beginning. By trying to form a difference between "truth" and "non-truth" is a way to maintain distinction. However all opinion, whether false or true, is part and parcel of Creation, and has value. Keeping Gurbani aloof as "truth" and oneself as incapable of knowing "truth" is a way to maintain duality, which is opposite to what Gurbani is actually teaching one to do. By recognising it as a level of opinion, and one's opinion on the same scale, then there is greater chance of less duality and less egoism ( Again Pauri 2 of Japji Sahib)</p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left"></p> </p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left">We will have to differ on this point. There are somethings that are beyond comprehension, and I do not like to waste time trying to comprehend them. You have probably come across Marx's idea that religion is the opium of the masses. I like such opium as it contents me without causing any harm to me. By sticking to what is realistically possible, whilst maintaining faith in unknowns, belief in which satisfy the mind, I believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji is pointing to the same, throughout Japji Sahib. </p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left">Ego and dogmatic persistence on truthfulness of one's perceptions and trying to impose them on others can cause problems between people, rather than ignorance. Whole societies and species have been wiped out as people imposed their will and version of truth upon others.</p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p><p style="text-align: left">We don't "have" to know what we are ignorant of. We can just choose to "live" in peace and harmony with neighbours, and share. People have been around for more than a million years without huge amounts of "knowledge" to hand. They lived and survived, although higher proportions may have suffered from famines, droughts, diseases as now do. If they had not done so we would not be here now. Now, we have exponential growth in "knowledge", but it is also accompanied with exponential growth in use of limited resources, which may be unsustainable and lead to complete destruction of climate and the environment; introduction of GM foods,and synthetic biotechnology are all unknowns, and this "knowledge" or increased "understanding" may not be wise at all. It may lead to self-destruction in a very short timescale, whilst people live for the moment. So I agree with you about the effects of quick remedies, but I do feel it is related to an increase in unwise use of knowledge as well.</p></p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Kind Regards</p> <p style="text-align: left"></p> <p style="text-align: left">Himmat</p><p style="text-align: left">Sat Sri Akal</p> </p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="sunmukh, post: 137106, member: 11050"] Ek OnKaar Sat Naam Gurfateh Confused ji Thanks for your further feedback and insight Ji, one of the objectives of following Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ji is to stop being judgemental. If I keep maintaining a hard distinction between those who are right and those who are wrong, or those who understand and those who misunderstand, then this is a form of duality, which I would like to remove. By having different levels of understanding, and passing the buck as it were, to the Creator and His Hukam, as per Pauri 2 of Japji Sahib, then there is less likelihood of such duality, and less ego. [LEFT][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2][FONT=Helvetica][SIZE=2](Page: 1, Lines : 8-10, Jap, Author: Guru Nanak Dev)[/SIZE][/FONT][/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT] [LEFT](Sorry sanghat ji, I tried to cut and paste Gurmukhi as well, but fonts did not come across correctly from the Adobe pdf file I was copying from)[/LEFT] [LEFT]Ji, the implication is that 1) Universal truth is what is commonly perceived as "truth", ie generally recognised as "truth" or "facts" in the general realm/sphere of human knowledge and 2) Absolute truth is actual intrinsic unchangeable eternal reality, that may or may not be the same as universal truth. [/LEFT] [LEFT]eg There have been times when people believed the sun circled the earth, or the earth was the centre of the universe. This for such believers was truth, and remained truth until they accepted a revised theory. Such theories that we "know" now, may still be modified in the future, and hence they fall in realm of universal truth. Absolute truth is what the reality actually is, encompassing all laws and principles of the universe, and any unknown dimensions. I am not trying to imply there is no value in recognising and accepting the current "truth". I just like to bear in mind that there may well be far more to the current story :)[/LEFT] [LEFT] [LEFT]There are always going to be differences in how people percieve even matters such as taste smell, anger etc. The fact that there is a differnce and only the perceiver actually knows how they feel, makes the perception an opinion. When we rank them all as different opinions on a scale that has no limits at either end, then it is all just opinion. [/LEFT] [LEFT]Gurbani urges one to see friends and enemies as one and the same, or see praise and slander and one and the same. To do this one has to accept that even things like taste, or smell are all part of something that is part of the infinite variation found in the Creator's creation. By doing so, one may possibly merge into the creation, and the creation merges into a single unity with infinite variety with no ending and no beginning. By trying to form a difference between "truth" and "non-truth" is a way to maintain distinction. However all opinion, whether false or true, is part and parcel of Creation, and has value. Keeping Gurbani aloof as "truth" and oneself as incapable of knowing "truth" is a way to maintain duality, which is opposite to what Gurbani is actually teaching one to do. By recognising it as a level of opinion, and one's opinion on the same scale, then there is greater chance of less duality and less egoism ( Again Pauri 2 of Japji Sahib)[/LEFT] [LEFT][/LEFT] [/LEFT] [LEFT] [LEFT]We will have to differ on this point. There are somethings that are beyond comprehension, and I do not like to waste time trying to comprehend them. You have probably come across Marx's idea that religion is the opium of the masses. I like such opium as it contents me without causing any harm to me. By sticking to what is realistically possible, whilst maintaining faith in unknowns, belief in which satisfy the mind, I believe Guru Nanak Dev Ji is pointing to the same, throughout Japji Sahib. [/LEFT] [LEFT]Ego and dogmatic persistence on truthfulness of one's perceptions and trying to impose them on others can cause problems between people, rather than ignorance. Whole societies and species have been wiped out as people imposed their will and version of truth upon others.[/LEFT] [LEFT]We don't "have" to know what we are ignorant of. We can just choose to "live" in peace and harmony with neighbours, and share. People have been around for more than a million years without huge amounts of "knowledge" to hand. They lived and survived, although higher proportions may have suffered from famines, droughts, diseases as now do. If they had not done so we would not be here now. Now, we have exponential growth in "knowledge", but it is also accompanied with exponential growth in use of limited resources, which may be unsustainable and lead to complete destruction of climate and the environment; introduction of GM foods,and synthetic biotechnology are all unknowns, and this "knowledge" or increased "understanding" may not be wise at all. It may lead to self-destruction in a very short timescale, whilst people live for the moment. So I agree with you about the effects of quick remedies, but I do feel it is related to an increase in unwise use of knowledge as well.[/LEFT] Kind Regards Himmat [LEFT]Sat Sri Akal[/LEFT] [/LEFT] [/QUOTE]
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