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ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="thecoopes" data-source="post: 9944" data-attributes="member: 844"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">Religious writings have been used for untold centuries to enslave the people, indeed the more confusing the better for serving the purpose of holding people in enslavement. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">In the 15th century there were those in Europe that argued for the Bible to be made available to all in the languages spoken by the ordinary peoples. The religious leaders fought against this, as it would mean their control of the masses would be threatened.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">In England William Tyndale translated the Bible into English and paid for this with his life, <span style="color: blue">good men were arguing that ones relationship with god was to be a personal thing and not one controlled via priests and Imams.</span> Because the individual then becomes a tool of the minds of these men, this we can see everyday where people are only to willing to hand over their consciences to others for them to tell them right from wrong. </span></span></span></p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">[This is taken from the life of William Tyndale.]</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Tyndale returned to Gloucestershire to serve as chaplain and tutor to Sir John Walsh and his family. This work enabled him to continue his study of religious texts. During that time he translated a tract by Desiderius Erasmus, a Dutchman whose writings <span style="color: blue"><strong><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">argued for personal faith: a direct relationship between the individual and God</span></strong>, <u>not one mediated and controlled by the Church hierarchy</u></span>.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Church services were conducted in Latin throughout the Christian world, and translation of the Latin Bible into the vernacular,<span style="color: blue"> <strong><u>in other words the local language anyone could understand, was actively discouraged. </u></strong></span></span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: #000000">In England, however, under the 1408 Constitutions of Oxford, it was strictly forbidden to translate the Bible into the native tongue. This ban was vigorously enforced by Cardinal Wolsey and the Lord Chancellor, Sir Thomas More, in an attempt to prevent the rise of English ‘Lutheranism’. The only authorised version of the Bible was St Jerome’s Latin translation, known as the ‘Vulgate’, made in the fourth century and </span><span style="color: blue"><strong><u>understood only by highly-educated people</u></strong>.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue">My view is, as long as religious writings are broken down into there component parts of syntax and word, and you have a religious hierarchy only to willing to give their understanding of what God is saying and add to this people who allow their consciences to be moulded by others, then you will have Hell on earth.</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: blue">It is not the word but the spirit of the writing; this can be understood by any and all. Read what the writer says not the words.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="color: #000000">Good luck John </span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="thecoopes, post: 9944, member: 844"] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]Religious writings have been used for untold centuries to enslave the people, indeed the more confusing the better for serving the purpose of holding people in enslavement. [/color][/size][/font] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]In the 15th century there were those in Europe that argued for the Bible to be made available to all in the languages spoken by the ordinary peoples. The religious leaders fought against this, as it would mean their control of the masses would be threatened.[/color][/size][/font] [size=3][color=#000000][font=Arial]In England William Tyndale translated the Bible into English and paid for this with his life, [color=blue]good men were arguing that ones relationship with god was to be a personal thing and not one controlled via priests and Imams.[/color] Because the individual then becomes a tool of the minds of these men, this we can see everyday where people are only to willing to hand over their consciences to others for them to tell them right from wrong. [/font][/color][/size] [font=Arial][color=#000000][font=Arial][This is taken from the life of William Tyndale.][/font][/color][/font] [color=#000000][font=Arial][size=3]Tyndale returned to Gloucestershire to serve as chaplain and tutor to Sir John Walsh and his family. This work enabled him to continue his study of religious texts. During that time he translated a tract by Desiderius Erasmus, a Dutchman whose writings [color=blue][b][font=Arial]argued for personal faith: a direct relationship between the individual and God[/font][/b], [u]not one mediated and controlled by the Church hierarchy[/u][/color].[/size][/font][/color] [size=3][color=#000000][font=Arial]Church services were conducted in Latin throughout the Christian world, and translation of the Latin Bible into the vernacular,[color=blue] [b][u]in other words the local language anyone could understand, was actively discouraged. [/u][/b][/color][/font][/color][/size] [font=Arial][size=3][color=#000000]In England, however, under the 1408 Constitutions of Oxford, it was strictly forbidden to translate the Bible into the native tongue. This ban was vigorously enforced by Cardinal Wolsey and the Lord Chancellor, Sir Thomas More, in an attempt to prevent the rise of English ‘Lutheranism’. The only authorised version of the Bible was St Jerome’s Latin translation, known as the ‘Vulgate’, made in the fourth century and [/color][color=blue][b][u]understood only by highly-educated people[/u][/b].[/color][/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][size=3][color=blue]My view is, as long as religious writings are broken down into there component parts of syntax and word, and you have a religious hierarchy only to willing to give their understanding of what God is saying and add to this people who allow their consciences to be moulded by others, then you will have Hell on earth.[/color][/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][size=3][color=blue]It is not the word but the spirit of the writing; this can be understood by any and all. Read what the writer says not the words.[/color][/size][/font] [font=Tahoma][color=#000000]Good luck John [/color][/font] [/QUOTE]
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