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Bachittar Natak
Answers To The Issues Raised By Gyani Bhag Singh Ji On The Verses Onto Tenth Master
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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 104207" data-attributes="member: 313"><p><strong>Re: Answers to the issues raised by Gyani Bhag Singh Ji on the verses unto Tenth Mast</strong></p><p></p><p>Chaupayee Sahib Second</p><p> </p><p> Then he talk about Bibhor Sahib, Where Guru Ji wrote Chaupayee Sahib as false. He says it to be imaginary ,Tommorw some one can say Takhat Damdama Sahib as imaginary. Did he made and enquiry or how did he knew its being imaginary ,then he asks out of three Chaupayees which one did Guru said ?</p><p> </p><p> Well there are two historic records which talks of Guru completing Chartiras on the date which comes after Character 405.(Guru Kia Sakhian(Based upon Bhatt’s account(Sakhi 55 and we have first two verse of Hamari Karo Hath De Rachha …..there, and Rahit Nama Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji(it gives time of Charits being written between 1748 to 1753 Samvat) .</p><p> </p><p> So das does feel amused by falsehood spread by the writer.</p><p> </p><p> Then he gives two pages to replace this Chaupayee Sahib with one at start of Akal Ustat. He agrees to it being from Shri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvi as one reason but why does then he opposes the Bachitar Natak. Further writer says Kabaobach means some other poet. Let us see an example from Guru Granth Sahib Ji.</p><p> </p><p> In the verse onto Bhatt Nal ji we have term das bhatt only there when it comes to praise of Fourth Master(refer verse 3..7..,8..12..,4..6..29..(last one has term das only).</p><p> </p><p> As from other verse we get the name of Bhatt Nal Ji, So we get terms related Akal ie Ram, Syam or Kal from rest of the Charitropakhyan. If we agree to logic that poet is not Akal, then we may say that here poet may not be Nal Ji, but some slave bard. But here slave bard is Nal Ji.</p><p> If some one tomorrow proves that Japu Ji Sahib are something added by Brahmin in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji so let us change our code or Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s standard(he talks in the same way Dayananda talks of standard of Vedas against Puranas ) do not nessiciate having un cut hairs. Das will talk of latter issue during Charitropakhyan section but as there is no Raag and Mahala in former. And one missionary has already said this thing on record at Bhai Veer Singh Sadan(as told by Gyani Rachhpal Singh Ji Kathakar)</p><p> </p><p> Then he gives a reference of letter from sgpc and further with Dr. Rattan Singh Ji Jaggi.</p><p> </p><p> Former’s letter states that Charitropakhyans are not the work of Guru dated 3.8.73.</p><p> </p><p> While das has a record of an essay by S. Kapoor Singh Ji, National Professor of Sikhism, It has title Kissa Roop Kaur Da from Gurmat Prakash published by SGPC, issue Octuber 1993,which proves that Characters are work of Guru only.</p><p> </p><p> The person under whose name this book was published by the name of Dasham Granth Nirnai was declared Tankhya from Shri Akal Takhat Sahib JI(it is another proof of deception that same book which is no win the market has name Dasham Granth Darpan,with name in bracket(Dasham Granth Nirnai) further to it we need to know that book Dasham Granth Darpan was by Bhai Harbans Singh Ji against this writer and is pro Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji, So it is just a way to befool innocent people)</p><p> </p><p> Lastly Dr. Rattan Singh Jaggi later changed his view after contact with Baba Virsa Singh Ji and started to support whole Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji.</p><p> </p><p> Then he says that some people say that only Chaupayee Sahib is work is Guru and not whole Charitropakhyan and they are wrong. Das agrees and says whole Charitropakhyan is work of Guru.</p><p> Then he says that suppose some things come which are similar to Gurmat then we do have non Sikh books also having things similar to Sikhism but they could not be taken as our own.</p><p> </p><p> But in case of non Sikh books there is no issue either from us as they are never considered as books of Sikhs. They may not have uniqueness of Sikhism, which is unprecedented . Why does not then writer agree to behold things which are there in Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji as common with other faith as just something common with Gurmat and that faith. Something which is unprecedented as unique thing of Panth. Something ditto with Sikh Philosophy in that as ample proof of this text being book of Sikhs.</p><p> </p><p> Then writer asks a a few questions.</p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How could such a large army comes?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">How could a lady emerges from flame</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">13 skies and 1 neither world</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Vehicle used by demons</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Presence of Moguls etc in Satiyuga?</li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Then the issues regarding the ailments created by God.</li> </ul><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">He says that in Mahabharat such a large army came then how could many many times large army could come in this war. This proves that writer feels that Mahabharat actually happened. Well das would like to put a thing over here, which we call in literature Atiyokti Alankar or large statement ornament of poetry. So this could happen but is unlikely to happen like some one says I will break the hill for my beloved. He can do this but is unlikely to do this, just to show his zeal for beloved and commitment to her such remarks are made. So such large number was told to make things much more bigger then Hindu mythology as over here. As our God is much more gigantic so we talk situations much more multiplied into demissions when we talk about the God. But there is an other interpretation. Writer talks of Akshahouni term while measuring the force of army as told by Mahabharat. Does he thinks that Guru will follow the units as used by Hindus or could not he make his own measure of units ? So Akshohani could be just treated as unit or a battalion of the force. </li> </ul><p> Further das has a few more questions ?</p><p> We are told about demons and demigods taking part in war. The glory of King is spread in fourteen world ie whole universe(it is limitless but myth talks of perhaps seven divisions above and seven below)</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">16</span></strong> Sriraag Guru Angad Dev</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੮੩</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੬</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਰ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਸ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਾਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਟ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੁਧੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਜਿਆ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਵਾਪਾਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰੀਵੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">dhas chaar hatt thudhh saajiaa vaapaar kareevae ||</span></p><p>You created the <strong><span style="color: red">fourteen </span></strong>world-shops, in which Your Business is transacted. </p><p> (Ang 83)</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">2</span></strong> Raamkalee Saint Kabir</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯੬੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮਕਲੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਵਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਤੁਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਸ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਠੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬ੍ਰਹਮ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਗਨਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਨਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਰੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">bhavan chathur dhas bhaathee keenhee breham agan than jaaree rae ||</span></p><p>I have made the<strong><span style="color: red"> fourteen</span></strong> worlds the furnace, and I have burnt my body with the fire of God. </p><p> (Ang 969)</p><p> (Verse one of Character 405 has universe mentioned)</p><p> For das could appreciate the following understanding.</p><p> Writer is not aware that there could be life outside earth also ie aliens.</p><p> Writer forgets that there could be space war or war on various planets where space is not the limit</p><p> Writer forgets that by robotic we can make millions of artificial chariots, Elephants, Horses and cavalry man and they could be used in space.</p><p> Science has no limit. So far as it is hypothecation of das so did such thing was done by Guru. So illogical are the guys who talk about Nayay Shaster and they do not know the limit of science. On which account could writer say that in past there was no contact of humans with the space ? Or there is no life outside the earth ? We should take this observation by Guru as an approval of extra terrestrial life. Tomorrow when science establishes the contact of man in past also with extra earth life then ? At one point of time when Arya Bhatta said that there Sun moves around the earth is false and other thing is OK that earth moves around the sun, then people use to call him mad. In fact Dayanada changed his stand on this issue depending upon the knowledge. Is writer sure that Tenth Master being one with Akal may not be knowing living beings out side the earth?</p><p> </p><p> The chemicals or elements are formed by nuclear reactions ,generally the basic element is Hydrogen, Which is formed by energy. It fuses into other elements. These elements when combine or interact with self or other may sometime convert chemical matter in biological one. Like this the life starts. Why can not such thing happen in vast universe ? </p><p> </p><p> As das gave reference from Shri Guru Granth Sahib that creation has been done many times(in Pritham Bhagwati Simar Kai.. related topic) , then we could understand that such techniques or such population could have exited in past and as universe was rebuilt it was lost in past destruction and we do not have the proof, but could this apply to Tenth Master also ? Can not he hypothecate ?</p><p> </p><p> After talking science das talks of the term Chhohani Term Chhoohani comes in verse 3 while Chhohani comes in verse 4. Term Achhohani comes in Krishna Avtar</p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #333333">Page 957, Line 3</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਸ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਿਵਸ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਿਸਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਸ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੁੱਧੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀਓ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬ੍ਰਿਜਨਾਇਕ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਟਰਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਟ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਟਾਰਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਾਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਛੂਹਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਉਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਹਾਂ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਿਸਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਠਾਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤੱਕ੍ਰਿਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਲੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਰਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">Sawaiyaa||</span></p><p>SWAYYA</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #333333">Page 957, Line 4</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਰਛ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੋਇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਟ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭੂਮ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਿਰੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਹੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੀਰਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੌ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲਰਤੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਹੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਾਰਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇਤੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਜੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਡਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਿਨੌ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇਹੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਲੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਹ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਂਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਕਾਰਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੫੮੭</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">Das divas nisaa das juddh(u) keeo brijanaaik so na tary bhat taaryo|| Chaar achhoohan aur tahaan ris(i) thaan satakkrit ko dal(u) maaryo||</span></p><p>He was engaged in war with Krishna for ten days and ten nights, but did not suffer defeat; there he killed the four more greatest military units of Indra;</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> </p><p><strong><span style="color: #333333">Page 957, Line 5</span></strong></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵੈਯਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">Moorachh hoe bhat bhoom gire bahu beeran kau larte bahu haaryo|| Kete bhaje ?ar(u) maan tinau kahu jaat balieh bhaant hakaaryo||1587||</span></p><p>The warriors becoming unconscious fell down on the earth and many warriors were defeated while fighting; that mighty warrior raised such a challenging shout that many warriors, in fear, fled away.1587. </p><p> </p><p> Then Chhoh also means to touch. In Haryanvi language Chhoh means the anger.</p><p> </p><p> So it may mean Ten Thousand touching or Ten Thousand Angry force on one side and twenty thousand on the other side also.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਹਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਭੀਛਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਜ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਵਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾਹਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕ੍ਰੋਹੈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਕ੍ਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਥ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਿਧੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨਹੂ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਸਪਾਲ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੀਸ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਟਯੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰ</span> <strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਛੋਹ</span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ੈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">Jaah(i) Bhabheechhan raaj dayo ar Raavan jaah(i) maryo kar(i) krohai|| Chakra ke saath kidho jinhoo Seespaal ko sees katyo kar chhohai||</span></p><p>He, who gave kingdom to Vibhishna, killed Ravana in great rage, who cut off the head of Shishupal with his disc;</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <span style="color: red">Line 12</span></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੈਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਉ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਯ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਰਤਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਹ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਰਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਮ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤੁੱਲਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲੈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਪਨੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਰਲੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਬ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁੰਦਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੋਪਿਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੋਹੈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੬੪੪</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">Main su au Siya ko bhartaa jih moorat kisam tull(i) na ko hai|| So kar lai apne murliab sundar gopin ke man mohai||644||</span></p><p>Who is beautiful like the god of love and who is Ram, the husband of Sita, who is unequalled in beauty by anyone, that Krishna with his flute in his hands, is now fascinating the mind of charming gopis.644. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> Das thinks that bug is fixed regarding the vast number of army.</p><p> </p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The second issue which is regarding the emergence of lady from fire. Well it is the thing regarding the creation from energy produced after destruction of two opposite forces of good and evil fighting. The term used over here is Vyanjana Ukti ie saying something else and understanding something else or third meaning implication. Such examples are there in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.</li> </ul><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">5</span></strong> Salok Saint Kabir</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੩੬੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੬</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਲੋਕ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਏਕ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰੰਤੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੁਇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਏ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੋਇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰੰਤਹ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਾਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">kabeer eaek maranthae dhue mooeae dhoe marantheh chaar ||</span></p><p>Kabeer, when one died, two were dead. When two died, four were dead.</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">6</span></strong> Salok Saint Kabir</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੩੬੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੬</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਲੋਕ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਾਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਰੰਤਹ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਛਹ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੂਏ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਾਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੁਰਖ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੁਇ</span> <strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਰ</span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯੧</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">chaar marantheh shheh mooeae chaar purakh dhue naar ||91||</span></p><p>When four died, six were dead, four males and two females. ||91|| </p><p> (Ang1369)</p><p> But let us see the four lines in verse 28 and 29.</p><p> Macho Loh Gadhau Utthi Agni Jwala. Bhayi Tej Taune Hute Ek Bala..28..Tisi Kop Ki Agni Tein Baal Havykai..Hasi Hath Mai Shastra Au Astra Laikai..</p><p> </p><p> So das does the translation.</p><p> </p><p> The deep iron/fight spread, arose the fire flame. Happened one girl child like that glow(of flame)..28...(Passing) from that fire of rage the child. Laughed having weapons and arms in hand.</p><p> As per Guru Granth Kosh we have term Hutai also for like or term Varga in Punjabi from the verse below</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">18</span></strong> Chaubolay Guru Arjan Dev</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੩੬੩</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੮</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਬੋਲੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੫</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਵਨ</span> <strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹੁਤੇ</span></span></strong> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰੰਕ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਹਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੀਨੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਾਟਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">raavan huthae s rank nehi jin sir dheenae kaatt ||1||</span></p><p>then consider Raawan the king. He was not poor, but he could not buy it, even though he offered his head to Shiva. ||1|| </p><p> (Ang 1363)</p><p> </p><p> So there happened to be a girl child like that flame who passed that fire of rage(not the real fire but passed the fire of rage ie perhaps the destruction of war).</p><p> </p><p> So where is the miracle ? It is true that it was useless issue by the writer.</p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Coming to the hoofs of horses taking six nether world unto the sky.</li> </ul><p> Well this is Atishyokti Alankar on one level ie something which could not occur but is used to impress the listener regarding gravity of the might or the situation by something unimaginable. Let us see an example from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">8</span></strong> Aasaa Saint Kabir</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪੮੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੮</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਸਾ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਇਕੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲਖੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪੂਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਲਖੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨਾਤੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">eik lakh pooth savaa lakh naathee ||</span></p><p>Thousands of sons and thousands of grandsons</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">8</span></strong> Aasaa Saint Kabir</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪੮੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੮</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਸਾ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਿਹ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਵਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦੀਆ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬਾਤੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">thih raavan ghar dheeaa n baathee ||2||</span></p><p>- but in that house of Raavan, the lamps and wicks have gone out. ||2||</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">8</span></strong> Aasaa Saint Kabir</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪੮੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਸਾ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚੰਦੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੂਰਜੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਪਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਸੋਈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">chandh sooraj jaa kae thapath rasoee ||</span></p><p>The<strong><span style="color: red"> moon </span></strong>and the sun cooked his food.</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">9</span></strong> Aasaa Saint Kabir</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੪੮੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਆਸਾ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਬੀਰ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੈਸੰਤਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਪਰੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧੋਈ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੩</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">baisanthar jaa kae kaparae dhhoee ||3||</span></p><p>The fire washed his clothes. ||3|| </p><p> (Ang 481)</p><p> </p><p> Only power of the demon is being told. Well can a person have one hundred thousand sons? And 125000 grand son ? Can sun and moon cook the food ? Can fire wash the cloths ?</p><p> </p><p> Well das will explain this and as das is ware that illogical pro science guys will not understand this.</p><p> </p><p> As subjects are also like children so male subjects could be hundred thousands. Their children could be 125000. Solar energy could be used to cook while lunar energy of tides in sea banks of Lanka used to grind the food(so both participated in cooking). Fire was used to heat the water which could be used to wash the cloths.</p><p> Das really wants to abuse science mongering missionaries </p><p> </p><p> So coming to 78 and 79 verse of Charitropakhyan, term Manu is used which is as if or Utpreksha Alankar( as if god created 13 skis). This ornament it self proves that 13 skies are just for let us believe for this situation as if it happened while it has not happened.</p><p> </p><p> So what could have been happened. Term Khat Pat ie Six cloths of earth is told. That means six layers of soil became dust suspended in air in six layers. My God! Something which may occur during nuclear attack. So great is perception of Guru. So with such a disturbance in space earth has to be effected. Then what is meant by Hayan Pagan ie feet of horses. Well in present world we call Tanks as horses. So they made soil to be eroded. Such a simple thing. One city was left of complete on earth.</p><p> </p><p> So dust from each layer of soil made one layer of dust in air. That is the simple explanation.</p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">Das will take 6th issue over here. Well here we are told that demons came on vermin or other beasts. And 6th issue is not raised by writer but his followers know a days rise this. How could Akal create the ailments ?</li> </ul><p> </p><p> Verse 181 to 184.</p><p> </p><p> Well let us see what exactly could be the seen. Either here there is talk of machine with qualities or shape of the animals been used by evil person as a vehicle. But there is some other thing in question that is called the biological warfare.</p><p> </p><p> We have in old Indian texts demons getting large in size and could be of shape like egret(Bakasur), Oxen(Brishabhasur) etc to be found in Krihanas related stories . We have large size of serpent called Kaliya(Term Kali is used by Bhagat Namdev Ji in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,you gave donation of life to Kali). We have seen serpent called devil in New Testment. There has been one drgans in old stories of east and west and monster etc been told. This could be understood with remains or fossils of dinosaurs or some pre historic species yet to be discovered like loch nesses monster of Scotland or Yeti of Himalayas .We have an instance that once Takshak serpent became small. Once das read that demon becoming air entered into the body of lady(it was in Kalyan but source das does not know). We have instance of Monkey god Hanuman Ji becoming small in size. Weather Ahirvan took small size to take Rama to neither world is not known to das but Mareech did take small shape of the deer to deceive the Rama . So in the nutshell.</p><p> </p><p> We could understand that further we are told the demons with one eye(Sensor), One leg, One or half amour or shells(Verse 223).Verse 121,122 talks about many arms of the demon plus one or more eyes, Verse 338,talks about horn and beaks of demons. This thing is not told by this writer but Kala Afghana made much jokes about it. Well when we have Serpent with thousand tongues mentioned in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also. Das will take that issue when we tackle his book of falsehood. Anyway what could be meant by beak, it could be stem shaped hollow like the one used by bee to take pollen. So what is one leg ? Well as per terminology of snake charmer each ring on the body of snake ie due to its scale is its let/foot. Well with no rings at all we have one big ring. That could be with invertebrate also. That is one foot. Or lame demon could have one foot. But half broken shell takes it to half amour. We have millipedes, centipedes we can have their legs been told as arms as they use their legs only to grip as they do not have a different arm. </p><p> </p><p> So das wrote such a long thing to just prove that demons could be of miniature size. They could be insects or smaller organisms like ameba or other unicellular organism coming on the various carriers(Various animals,insects or birds via air or land route) and as they are small and large in number so are difficult for normal entity to counter this bio attack. But God creates the ailments for them.</p><p> It could be due to</p><p> - [/FONT]Nuclear arms</p><p> - [/FONT]Chemicals weapons.</p><p> - [/FONT]Biological controls like virus, bacteria or fungous(233-246 verses)</p><p> There effects are being told and later Akal withdraws them as Akal himself wanted to enjoy the war with another manifestation of Akal ie Demons.(Verse 248) and antidotes are donated by Akal to enemies( Verse 249). Know the time is there to remember Guru’s providing balm and medicine to Bhai Kannyya Ji, to treat the enemies.</p><p> Das hopes the things for issue 4 and issue 6 are cleared by now. So a repeat thing.</p><p> </p><p> Demons are coming on animals etc are pests, loctus, unicellular organisms, insects etc. Demon riding the demon means smaller demons. Talking of tiny demons with attributes like harmful pests or carrier of disease is unprecedented and could be only expected from Sikh faith . They were used by demon army in an attack.</p><p> </p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul">The last thing regarding the breaking of tense or chronology or Kal Bhang in the terms regarding mentioning of Moguls etc.(Verse 198-219)</li> </ul><p> When fire was left by nocturnal being angry . From that Pathan happened to be with bows.Again when (as) if meteor was vomited from mouth .Moguls happened produced standing.198.. Again angry body made breath out.Sayad Shekh happened with anger…..199..</p><p> </p><p> So with fire being thrown Pathans came to have arrows. Molten meteors like object came out of the mouth (of some weapon). This was signal to moguls to stand. Air propelled from some body of an object them made inheritors of Sheikh stand angrily.</p><p> </p><p> So there could be many a interpretations.</p><p> </p><p> As we are told in this character that God is in all. So God which is true. Has God’s enemies much more stronger than that of demigods. So with will of God enemies of the same could create creatures of Kaliyuga during Satiyuga(das though has already told in previous chapters that Gurmat does not believes in Hindu concept of ages and Pathan’s etc. are something nothing to do with Islam as such or this age). So even if interpretation by writer is deemed OK,then too there is hardly a scope to feel anything Anti Gurmat.</p><p> </p><p> Let us see Bhatts talking of our Guru in previous ages.</p><p> </p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">11</span></strong> Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੪੦੨</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੨</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਈਏ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਯੰਦ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਵਲ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਨੈਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਧੁਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੈਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੋਟਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੈਨ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੰਗ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੋਭ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਹਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਸੋਦ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਸਹਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਹੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਾਤੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਖਾਹਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜੀਉ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">kaval nain madhhur bain kott sain sang sobh kehath maa</span><strong><span style="color: red"> jasodh </span></strong><span style="color: #4EFF21">jisehi dhehee bhaath khaahi jeeo ||</span></p><p>You are lotus-eyed, with sweet speech, exalted and embellished with millions of companions. Mother Yashoda invited You as Krishna to eat the sweet rice. </p><p> (Ang 1402) for our Guru,term Krishna is not there but we understand it so. Did our Guru ate rice and curd from mother Yoshoda ? She was in Dwaper age.</p><p> </p><p> But as our Guru is in all so in concept or imagination of myth in which Lord Krishna eats rice and yogurt is nothing else but our Guru.</p><p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">8</span></strong> Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੪੦੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਈਏ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਯੰਦ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਿਰੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰੂ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਾਹਿਬੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਭ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਊਪਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">siree guroo saahib sabh oopar ||</span></p><p>The Great, Supreme Guru showered His Mercy upon all;</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">9</span></strong> Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੪੦੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਈਏ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਯੰਦ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਰੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ</span> <strong><span style="color: red"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਜੁਗ</span></span></strong><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਿਨਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧ੍ਰੂ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">karee kirapaa sathajug jin dhhroo par ||</span></p><p>in the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, He blessed Dhroo.</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">9</span></strong> Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੪੦੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਈਏ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਯੰਦ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸ੍ਰੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਭਗਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਉਧਰੀਅੰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">sree prehalaadh bhagath oudhhareean ||</span></p><p>He saved the devotee Prahlaad,</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">9</span></strong> Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand</p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੪੦੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੦</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਈਏ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਯੰਦ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਹਸ੍ਤ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕਮਲ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਾਥੇ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਪਰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਧਰੀਅੰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">haso kamal maathhae par dhhareean ||</span></p><p>placing the Lotus of His Hand upon his forehead. </p><p> (Ang 1401)</p><p> </p><p> So over here Gurubar Akal is being talked about while we talk in real as per old text, they were blessed by Vishnu and how could there be lotus in hand or lotus of hand other than that of Vishnu ?And why is this being said for the praise of Fourth Master ?</p><p> </p><p> Then have a look there is no mention of Lord Rama in here.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੪੦੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੯</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਈਏ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਯੰਦ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਘੁਬੰਸਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਿਲਕੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੁੰਦਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਦਸਰਥ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਘਰਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮੁਨਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਬੰਛਹਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਰਣੰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">raghubans thilak sundhar dhasarathh ghar mun banshhehi jaa kee saranan ||</span></p><p>He is certified, like the handsome Ram Chander in the house of Dasrath of the Raghwa dynasty. Even the silent sages seek His Sanctuary.</p><p> <p style="text-align: center"><p style="text-align: center"> </p> </p><p> <strong><span style="color: red">19</span></strong> Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand</p><p> (Ang 1401)</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: #0066CC">(</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧੪੦੨</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">-</span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੧</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਵਈਏ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਮਹਲੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਚਉਥੇ</span></span> <span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੇ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">, </span><span style="color: #0066CC"><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਯੰਦ</span></span><span style="color: #0066CC">)</span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗੁਰੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸੇਵਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਅਲਖ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਗਤਿ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਜਾ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਕੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਸ੍ਰੀ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਾਰਣ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">ਤਰਣੰ</span> <span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span><span style="font-family: 'Raavi'">੨</span><span style="font-family: 'Mangal'">॥</span></p><p><span style="color: #4EFF21">sathigur gur saev alakh gath jaa kee sree raamadhaas thaaran tharanan ||2||</span></p><p>So serve the Guru, the True Guru; His ways and means are inscrutable. The Great Guru Raam Daas is the Boat to carry us across. ||2|| </p><p> </p><p> (Ang 1402)</p><p> </p><p> So again time is not the factor for those whose God is timeless or Akal. Well further to it term Kal dosh could effect the person with Nayay Shaster as that is too old to understand the science which talks of time a relative thing. Asambhav Dosh or fault of impossible he gives to Atishyokti Alankar.</p><p> </p><p> So at last das winds up.</p><p> </p><p> Mention of very grave demons never happened before is there, due to the fact that in past with limited power demigods less powerful villains were there. Then with absolute God with all powers demons were powerful in an unprecedented way and beyond the imagination, beyond the logic and beyond the science’s reach. So they produce villains contemporary of Guru, which only shows that Guru told Sikhs with this story that our God could tackle even unimaginable dangers. So do not be afraid of fear of unknown and further the present day villains are nothing but just a fraction of supporting arms of those old villains. If Akal could tackle old villains these present day guys are no match at all.</p><p> </p><p> Few questions .</p><p> Why only Muguls, pathans are mentioned and not Rajputs as Guru has fought more battles with Hindus ?</p><p> Well gods of Hindus are shown as one praying to Sikh God. Well it only proves that when gods of Rajputs are under the shelter of Sikh God, they hardly have any power. Further to it Rajputs have been seen joining the powerful side so Guru told this thing to Sikhs that as their gods took shelter to Akal, so will they take shelter to them when Sikhs are in power and that also happened. False gods of Rajputs are told to be defeated by demons and in other cases they were told to be very much afraid of Akal.(Verse 82,83). Further to it when compared to Moguls etc. Rajputs have never been a big force which could match the Sikhs(Rajputs had wrong notion that they could defeat the Sikhs but they failed so they called moguls etc. for help).</p><p> </p><p> Did Guru not want Moguls etc. to be Sikh then why they are made villains ?</p><p> Well Moguls, Pathans, Sayyad Shekh etc. are from Ashraf group of Muslims(ie immigrant from abroad ie Mongolia, Afghanistan ,Arab and Iran respectively) They are the ruling class of that time. We have no mention of have-nots Ashraf(ie Kureshis(Butchers), Ansaris(Tanners) ,Siddiquies(Weavers), Havaris(Washerman), etc.) As with them although claiming to be an outsider there was no scope of fight. Then there is no talks of Arzals(Local converts like Halal Khors(scavengers) , Boharas(traders) etc.). Neither Shias and Sufis are been touched. Only the classes who were to come into conflict with Sikhs as rulers in India or as an invader from abroad later were mentioned.</p><p> </p><p> So das thinks that there issues are clarified by now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 104207, member: 313"] [b]Re: Answers to the issues raised by Gyani Bhag Singh Ji on the verses unto Tenth Mast[/b] Chaupayee Sahib Second Then he talk about Bibhor Sahib, Where Guru Ji wrote Chaupayee Sahib as false. He says it to be imaginary ,Tommorw some one can say Takhat Damdama Sahib as imaginary. Did he made and enquiry or how did he knew its being imaginary ,then he asks out of three Chaupayees which one did Guru said ? Well there are two historic records which talks of Guru completing Chartiras on the date which comes after Character 405.(Guru Kia Sakhian(Based upon Bhatt’s account(Sakhi 55 and we have first two verse of Hamari Karo Hath De Rachha …..there, and Rahit Nama Bhai Chaupa Singh Ji(it gives time of Charits being written between 1748 to 1753 Samvat) . So das does feel amused by falsehood spread by the writer. Then he gives two pages to replace this Chaupayee Sahib with one at start of Akal Ustat. He agrees to it being from Shri Mukhwak Patshahi Dasvi as one reason but why does then he opposes the Bachitar Natak. Further writer says Kabaobach means some other poet. Let us see an example from Guru Granth Sahib Ji. In the verse onto Bhatt Nal ji we have term das bhatt only there when it comes to praise of Fourth Master(refer verse 3..7..,8..12..,4..6..29..(last one has term das only). As from other verse we get the name of Bhatt Nal Ji, So we get terms related Akal ie Ram, Syam or Kal from rest of the Charitropakhyan. If we agree to logic that poet is not Akal, then we may say that here poet may not be Nal Ji, but some slave bard. But here slave bard is Nal Ji. If some one tomorrow proves that Japu Ji Sahib are something added by Brahmin in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji so let us change our code or Guru Granth Sahib Ji’s standard(he talks in the same way Dayananda talks of standard of Vedas against Puranas ) do not nessiciate having un cut hairs. Das will talk of latter issue during Charitropakhyan section but as there is no Raag and Mahala in former. And one missionary has already said this thing on record at Bhai Veer Singh Sadan(as told by Gyani Rachhpal Singh Ji Kathakar) Then he gives a reference of letter from sgpc and further with Dr. Rattan Singh Ji Jaggi. Former’s letter states that Charitropakhyans are not the work of Guru dated 3.8.73. While das has a record of an essay by S. Kapoor Singh Ji, National Professor of Sikhism, It has title Kissa Roop Kaur Da from Gurmat Prakash published by SGPC, issue Octuber 1993,which proves that Characters are work of Guru only. The person under whose name this book was published by the name of Dasham Granth Nirnai was declared Tankhya from Shri Akal Takhat Sahib JI(it is another proof of deception that same book which is no win the market has name Dasham Granth Darpan,with name in bracket(Dasham Granth Nirnai) further to it we need to know that book Dasham Granth Darpan was by Bhai Harbans Singh Ji against this writer and is pro Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji, So it is just a way to befool innocent people) Lastly Dr. Rattan Singh Jaggi later changed his view after contact with Baba Virsa Singh Ji and started to support whole Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji. Then he says that some people say that only Chaupayee Sahib is work is Guru and not whole Charitropakhyan and they are wrong. Das agrees and says whole Charitropakhyan is work of Guru. Then he says that suppose some things come which are similar to Gurmat then we do have non Sikh books also having things similar to Sikhism but they could not be taken as our own. But in case of non Sikh books there is no issue either from us as they are never considered as books of Sikhs. They may not have uniqueness of Sikhism, which is unprecedented . Why does not then writer agree to behold things which are there in Shri Dasham Granth Sahib Ji as common with other faith as just something common with Gurmat and that faith. Something which is unprecedented as unique thing of Panth. Something ditto with Sikh Philosophy in that as ample proof of this text being book of Sikhs. Then writer asks a a few questions. [LIST] [*]How could such a large army comes? [*]How could a lady emerges from flame [*]13 skies and 1 neither world [*]Vehicle used by demons [*]Presence of Moguls etc in Satiyuga? [*]Then the issues regarding the ailments created by God. [/LIST] [LIST] [*]He says that in Mahabharat such a large army came then how could many many times large army could come in this war. This proves that writer feels that Mahabharat actually happened. Well das would like to put a thing over here, which we call in literature Atiyokti Alankar or large statement ornament of poetry. So this could happen but is unlikely to happen like some one says I will break the hill for my beloved. He can do this but is unlikely to do this, just to show his zeal for beloved and commitment to her such remarks are made. So such large number was told to make things much more bigger then Hindu mythology as over here. As our God is much more gigantic so we talk situations much more multiplied into demissions when we talk about the God. But there is an other interpretation. Writer talks of Akshahouni term while measuring the force of army as told by Mahabharat. Does he thinks that Guru will follow the units as used by Hindus or could not he make his own measure of units ? So Akshohani could be just treated as unit or a battalion of the force. [/LIST] Further das has a few more questions ? We are told about demons and demigods taking part in war. The glory of King is spread in fourteen world ie whole universe(it is limitless but myth talks of perhaps seven divisions above and seven below) [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]16[/COLOR][/B] Sriraag Guru Angad Dev [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੮੩[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੬[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੪[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਸ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਾਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਹਟ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤੁਧੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਜਿਆ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਵਾਪਾਰੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਰੀਵੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]dhas chaar hatt thudhh saajiaa vaapaar kareevae ||[/COLOR] You created the [B][COLOR=red]fourteen [/COLOR][/B]world-shops, in which Your Business is transacted. (Ang 83) [B][COLOR=red]2[/COLOR][/B] Raamkalee Saint Kabir [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੯੬੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੩[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮਕਲੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਵਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਤੁਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਸ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਠੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੀਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬ੍ਰਹਮ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਗਨਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਨਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਰੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]bhavan chathur dhas bhaathee keenhee breham agan than jaaree rae ||[/COLOR] I have made the[B][COLOR=red] fourteen[/COLOR][/B] worlds the furnace, and I have burnt my body with the fire of God. (Ang 969) (Verse one of Character 405 has universe mentioned) For das could appreciate the following understanding. Writer is not aware that there could be life outside earth also ie aliens. Writer forgets that there could be space war or war on various planets where space is not the limit Writer forgets that by robotic we can make millions of artificial chariots, Elephants, Horses and cavalry man and they could be used in space. Science has no limit. So far as it is hypothecation of das so did such thing was done by Guru. So illogical are the guys who talk about Nayay Shaster and they do not know the limit of science. On which account could writer say that in past there was no contact of humans with the space ? Or there is no life outside the earth ? We should take this observation by Guru as an approval of extra terrestrial life. Tomorrow when science establishes the contact of man in past also with extra earth life then ? At one point of time when Arya Bhatta said that there Sun moves around the earth is false and other thing is OK that earth moves around the sun, then people use to call him mad. In fact Dayanada changed his stand on this issue depending upon the knowledge. Is writer sure that Tenth Master being one with Akal may not be knowing living beings out side the earth? The chemicals or elements are formed by nuclear reactions ,generally the basic element is Hydrogen, Which is formed by energy. It fuses into other elements. These elements when combine or interact with self or other may sometime convert chemical matter in biological one. Like this the life starts. Why can not such thing happen in vast universe ? As das gave reference from Shri Guru Granth Sahib that creation has been done many times(in Pritham Bhagwati Simar Kai.. related topic) , then we could understand that such techniques or such population could have exited in past and as universe was rebuilt it was lost in past destruction and we do not have the proof, but could this apply to Tenth Master also ? Can not he hypothecate ? After talking science das talks of the term Chhohani Term Chhoohani comes in verse 3 while Chhohani comes in verse 4. Term Achhohani comes in Krishna Avtar [B][COLOR=#333333]Page 957, Line 3[/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਸ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਿਵਸ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨਿਸਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਸ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜੁੱਧੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੀਓ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬ੍ਰਿਜਨਾਇਕ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਟਰਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਟ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਟਾਰਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਾਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਛੂਹਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਉਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਹਾਂ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਿਸਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਠਾਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਤੱਕ੍ਰਿਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਲੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਰਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]Sawaiyaa||[/COLOR] SWAYYA [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=#333333]Page 957, Line 4[/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਰਛ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਹੋਇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਟ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭੂਮ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਗਿਰੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬਹੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬੀਰਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੌ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਲਰਤੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬਹੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਹਾਰਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੇਤੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਜੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਡਰੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਿਨੌ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੇਹੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬਲੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਇਹ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਂਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਹਕਾਰਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧੫੮੭[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]Das divas nisaa das juddh(u) keeo brijanaaik so na tary bhat taaryo|| Chaar achhoohan aur tahaan ris(i) thaan satakkrit ko dal(u) maaryo||[/COLOR] He was engaged in war with Krishna for ten days and ten nights, but did not suffer defeat; there he killed the four more greatest military units of Indra; [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=#333333]Page 957, Line 5[/COLOR][/B] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਵੈਯਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]Moorachh hoe bhat bhoom gire bahu beeran kau larte bahu haaryo|| Kete bhaje ?ar(u) maan tinau kahu jaat balieh bhaant hakaaryo||1587||[/COLOR] The warriors becoming unconscious fell down on the earth and many warriors were defeated while fighting; that mighty warrior raised such a challenging shout that many warriors, in fear, fled away.1587. Then Chhoh also means to touch. In Haryanvi language Chhoh means the anger. So it may mean Ten Thousand touching or Ten Thousand Angry force on one side and twenty thousand on the other side also. [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਭੀਛਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਜ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਵਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਰਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕ੍ਰੋਹੈ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਕ੍ਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਥ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਿਧੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨਹੂ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਸਪਾਲ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੀਸ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਟਯੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਰ[/FONT] [B][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਛੋਹ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][FONT=Raavi]ੈ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]Jaah(i) Bhabheechhan raaj dayo ar Raavan jaah(i) maryo kar(i) krohai|| Chakra ke saath kidho jinhoo Seespaal ko sees katyo kar chhohai||[/COLOR] He, who gave kingdom to Vibhishna, killed Ravana in great rage, who cut off the head of Shishupal with his disc; [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [COLOR=red]Line 12[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੈਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਉ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਯ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਰਤਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਹ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਰਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਮ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤੁੱਲਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਹੈ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੋ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਲੈ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਪਨੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਰਲੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਬ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੁੰਦਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਗੋਪਿਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੋਹੈ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੬੪੪[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]Main su au Siya ko bhartaa jih moorat kisam tull(i) na ko hai|| So kar lai apne murliab sundar gopin ke man mohai||644||[/COLOR] Who is beautiful like the god of love and who is Ram, the husband of Sita, who is unequalled in beauty by anyone, that Krishna with his flute in his hands, is now fascinating the mind of charming gopis.644. Das thinks that bug is fixed regarding the vast number of army. [LIST] [*]The second issue which is regarding the emergence of lady from fire. Well it is the thing regarding the creation from energy produced after destruction of two opposite forces of good and evil fighting. The term used over here is Vyanjana Ukti ie saying something else and understanding something else or third meaning implication. Such examples are there in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. [/LIST] [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]5[/COLOR][/B] Salok Saint Kabir [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੩੬੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੬[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਲੋਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਏਕ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਰੰਤੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦੁਇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਏ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦੋਇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਰੰਤਹ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਾਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]kabeer eaek maranthae dhue mooeae dhoe marantheh chaar ||[/COLOR] Kabeer, when one died, two were dead. When two died, four were dead. [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]6[/COLOR][/B] Salok Saint Kabir [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੩੬੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੬[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਲੋਕ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਾਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਰੰਤਹ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਛਹ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੂਏ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਚਾਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਪੁਰਖ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦੁਇ[/FONT] [B][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][FONT=Raavi]ਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੯੧[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]chaar marantheh shheh mooeae chaar purakh dhue naar ||91||[/COLOR] When four died, six were dead, four males and two females. ||91|| (Ang1369) But let us see the four lines in verse 28 and 29. Macho Loh Gadhau Utthi Agni Jwala. Bhayi Tej Taune Hute Ek Bala..28..Tisi Kop Ki Agni Tein Baal Havykai..Hasi Hath Mai Shastra Au Astra Laikai.. So das does the translation. The deep iron/fight spread, arose the fire flame. Happened one girl child like that glow(of flame)..28...(Passing) from that fire of rage the child. Laughed having weapons and arms in hand. As per Guru Granth Kosh we have term Hutai also for like or term Varga in Punjabi from the verse below [B][COLOR=red]18[/COLOR][/B] Chaubolay Guru Arjan Dev [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੩੬੩[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੮[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਬੋਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੫[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਵਨ[/FONT][B][COLOR=red] [/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਹੁਤੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][B][COLOR=red] [/COLOR][/B][FONT=Raavi]ਸੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰੰਕ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦੀਨੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਾਟਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]raavan huthae s rank nehi jin sir dheenae kaatt ||1||[/COLOR] then consider Raawan the king. He was not poor, but he could not buy it, even though he offered his head to Shiva. ||1|| (Ang 1363) So there happened to be a girl child like that flame who passed that fire of rage(not the real fire but passed the fire of rage ie perhaps the destruction of war). So where is the miracle ? It is true that it was useless issue by the writer. [LIST] [*]Coming to the hoofs of horses taking six nether world unto the sky. [/LIST] Well this is Atishyokti Alankar on one level ie something which could not occur but is used to impress the listener regarding gravity of the might or the situation by something unimaginable. Let us see an example from Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. [B][COLOR=red]8[/COLOR][/B] Aasaa Saint Kabir [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੪੮੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੮[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਆਸਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਇਕੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਲਖੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਪੂਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਲਖੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨਾਤੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]eik lakh pooth savaa lakh naathee ||[/COLOR] Thousands of sons and thousands of grandsons [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]8[/COLOR][/B] Aasaa Saint Kabir [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੪੮੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੮[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਆਸਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਿਹ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਵਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਘਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦੀਆ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬਾਤੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]thih raavan ghar dheeaa n baathee ||2||[/COLOR] - but in that house of Raavan, the lamps and wicks have gone out. ||2|| [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]8[/COLOR][/B] Aasaa Saint Kabir [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੪੮੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਆਸਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਚੰਦੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੂਰਜੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਪਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਸੋਈ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]chandh sooraj jaa kae thapath rasoee ||[/COLOR] The[B][COLOR=red] moon [/COLOR][/B]and the sun cooked his food. [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]9[/COLOR][/B] Aasaa Saint Kabir [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੪੮੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਆਸਾ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕਬੀਰ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਜੀ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਬੈਸੰਤਰੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਪਰੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਧੋਈ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੩[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]baisanthar jaa kae kaparae dhhoee ||3||[/COLOR] The fire washed his clothes. ||3|| (Ang 481) Only power of the demon is being told. Well can a person have one hundred thousand sons? And 125000 grand son ? Can sun and moon cook the food ? Can fire wash the cloths ? Well das will explain this and as das is ware that illogical pro science guys will not understand this. As subjects are also like children so male subjects could be hundred thousands. Their children could be 125000. Solar energy could be used to cook while lunar energy of tides in sea banks of Lanka used to grind the food(so both participated in cooking). Fire was used to heat the water which could be used to wash the cloths. Das really wants to abuse science mongering missionaries So coming to 78 and 79 verse of Charitropakhyan, term Manu is used which is as if or Utpreksha Alankar( as if god created 13 skis). This ornament it self proves that 13 skies are just for let us believe for this situation as if it happened while it has not happened. So what could have been happened. Term Khat Pat ie Six cloths of earth is told. That means six layers of soil became dust suspended in air in six layers. My God! Something which may occur during nuclear attack. So great is perception of Guru. So with such a disturbance in space earth has to be effected. Then what is meant by Hayan Pagan ie feet of horses. Well in present world we call Tanks as horses. So they made soil to be eroded. Such a simple thing. One city was left of complete on earth. So dust from each layer of soil made one layer of dust in air. That is the simple explanation. [LIST] [*]Das will take 6th issue over here. Well here we are told that demons came on vermin or other beasts. And 6th issue is not raised by writer but his followers know a days rise this. How could Akal create the ailments ? [/LIST] Verse 181 to 184. Well let us see what exactly could be the seen. Either here there is talk of machine with qualities or shape of the animals been used by evil person as a vehicle. But there is some other thing in question that is called the biological warfare. We have in old Indian texts demons getting large in size and could be of shape like egret(Bakasur), Oxen(Brishabhasur) etc to be found in Krihanas related stories . We have large size of serpent called Kaliya(Term Kali is used by Bhagat Namdev Ji in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,you gave donation of life to Kali). We have seen serpent called devil in New Testment. There has been one drgans in old stories of east and west and monster etc been told. This could be understood with remains or fossils of dinosaurs or some pre historic species yet to be discovered like loch nesses monster of Scotland or Yeti of Himalayas .We have an instance that once Takshak serpent became small. Once das read that demon becoming air entered into the body of lady(it was in Kalyan but source das does not know). We have instance of Monkey god Hanuman Ji becoming small in size. Weather Ahirvan took small size to take Rama to neither world is not known to das but Mareech did take small shape of the deer to deceive the Rama . So in the nutshell. We could understand that further we are told the demons with one eye(Sensor), One leg, One or half amour or shells(Verse 223).Verse 121,122 talks about many arms of the demon plus one or more eyes, Verse 338,talks about horn and beaks of demons. This thing is not told by this writer but Kala Afghana made much jokes about it. Well when we have Serpent with thousand tongues mentioned in Shri Guru Granth Sahib Ji also. Das will take that issue when we tackle his book of falsehood. Anyway what could be meant by beak, it could be stem shaped hollow like the one used by bee to take pollen. So what is one leg ? Well as per terminology of snake charmer each ring on the body of snake ie due to its scale is its let/foot. Well with no rings at all we have one big ring. That could be with invertebrate also. That is one foot. Or lame demon could have one foot. But half broken shell takes it to half amour. We have millipedes, centipedes we can have their legs been told as arms as they use their legs only to grip as they do not have a different arm. So das wrote such a long thing to just prove that demons could be of miniature size. They could be insects or smaller organisms like ameba or other unicellular organism coming on the various carriers(Various animals,insects or birds via air or land route) and as they are small and large in number so are difficult for normal entity to counter this bio attack. But God creates the ailments for them. It could be due to - [/FONT]Nuclear arms - [/FONT]Chemicals weapons. - [/FONT]Biological controls like virus, bacteria or fungous(233-246 verses) There effects are being told and later Akal withdraws them as Akal himself wanted to enjoy the war with another manifestation of Akal ie Demons.(Verse 248) and antidotes are donated by Akal to enemies( Verse 249). Know the time is there to remember Guru’s providing balm and medicine to Bhai Kannyya Ji, to treat the enemies. Das hopes the things for issue 4 and issue 6 are cleared by now. So a repeat thing. Demons are coming on animals etc are pests, loctus, unicellular organisms, insects etc. Demon riding the demon means smaller demons. Talking of tiny demons with attributes like harmful pests or carrier of disease is unprecedented and could be only expected from Sikh faith . They were used by demon army in an attack. [LIST] [*]The last thing regarding the breaking of tense or chronology or Kal Bhang in the terms regarding mentioning of Moguls etc.(Verse 198-219) [/LIST] When fire was left by nocturnal being angry . From that Pathan happened to be with bows.Again when (as) if meteor was vomited from mouth .Moguls happened produced standing.198.. Again angry body made breath out.Sayad Shekh happened with anger…..199.. So with fire being thrown Pathans came to have arrows. Molten meteors like object came out of the mouth (of some weapon). This was signal to moguls to stand. Air propelled from some body of an object them made inheritors of Sheikh stand angrily. So there could be many a interpretations. As we are told in this character that God is in all. So God which is true. Has God’s enemies much more stronger than that of demigods. So with will of God enemies of the same could create creatures of Kaliyuga during Satiyuga(das though has already told in previous chapters that Gurmat does not believes in Hindu concept of ages and Pathan’s etc. are something nothing to do with Islam as such or this age). So even if interpretation by writer is deemed OK,then too there is hardly a scope to feel anything Anti Gurmat. Let us see Bhatts talking of our Guru in previous ages. [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]11[/COLOR][/B] Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੪੦੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਈਏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਗਯੰਦ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਵਲ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਨੈਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਧੁਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬੈਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੋਟਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੈਨ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੰਗ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੋਭ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਹਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਸੋਦ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਸਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਹੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਾਤੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਖਾਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜੀਉ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]kaval nain madhhur bain kott sain sang sobh kehath maa[/COLOR][B][COLOR=red] jasodh [/COLOR][/B][COLOR=#4EFF21]jisehi dhehee bhaath khaahi jeeo ||[/COLOR] You are lotus-eyed, with sweet speech, exalted and embellished with millions of companions. Mother Yashoda invited You as Krishna to eat the sweet rice. (Ang 1402) for our Guru,term Krishna is not there but we understand it so. Did our Guru ate rice and curd from mother Yoshoda ? She was in Dwaper age. But as our Guru is in all so in concept or imagination of myth in which Lord Krishna eats rice and yogurt is nothing else but our Guru. [B][COLOR=red]8[/COLOR][/B] Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੪੦੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਈਏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਗਯੰਦ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਿਰੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰੂ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਾਹਿਬੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਭ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਊਪਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]siree guroo saahib sabh oopar ||[/COLOR] The Great, Supreme Guru showered His Mercy upon all; [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]9[/COLOR][/B] Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੪੦੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਈਏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਗਯੰਦ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਰੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ[/FONT] [B][COLOR=red][FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਜੁਗ[/FONT][/COLOR][/B][FONT=Raavi]ਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਿਨਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਧ੍ਰੂ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਪਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]karee kirapaa sathajug jin dhhroo par ||[/COLOR] in the Golden Age of Sat Yuga, He blessed Dhroo. [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]9[/COLOR][/B] Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੪੦੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਈਏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਗਯੰਦ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਸ੍ਰੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਪ੍ਰਹਲਾਦ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਭਗਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਉਧਰੀਅੰ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]sree prehalaadh bhagath oudhhareean ||[/COLOR] He saved the devotee Prahlaad, [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]9[/COLOR][/B] Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੪੦੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੦[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਈਏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਗਯੰਦ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਹਸ੍ਤ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕਮਲ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮਾਥੇ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਪਰ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਧਰੀਅੰ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]haso kamal maathhae par dhhareean ||[/COLOR] placing the Lotus of His Hand upon his forehead. (Ang 1401) So over here Gurubar Akal is being talked about while we talk in real as per old text, they were blessed by Vishnu and how could there be lotus in hand or lotus of hand other than that of Vishnu ?And why is this being said for the praise of Fourth Master ? Then have a look there is no mention of Lord Rama in here. [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੪੦੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੯[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਈਏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਗਯੰਦ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਘੁਬੰਸਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਿਲਕੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੁੰਦਰੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਦਸਰਥ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਘਰਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਮੁਨਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਬੰਛਹਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਰਣੰ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]raghubans thilak sundhar dhasarathh ghar mun banshhehi jaa kee saranan ||[/COLOR] He is certified, like the handsome Ram Chander in the house of Dasrath of the Raghwa dynasty. Even the silent sages seek His Sanctuary. [CENTER][CENTER] [/CENTER][/CENTER] [B][COLOR=red]19[/COLOR][/B] Sava-yay (praise of Guru Ram Das Ga-yand (Ang 1401) [COLOR=#0066CC]([/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧੪੦੨[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC]-[/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]੧[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਸਵਈਏ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਮਹਲੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਚਉਥੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC] [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਕੇ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC], [/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC][FONT=Raavi]ਗਯੰਦ[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=#0066CC])[/COLOR] [FONT=Raavi]ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਗੁਰੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸੇਵਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਅਲਖ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਗਤਿ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਜਾ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਕੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਸ੍ਰੀ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਰਾਮਦਾਸੁ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਾਰਣ[/FONT] [FONT=Raavi]ਤਰਣੰ[/FONT] [FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT][FONT=Raavi]੨[/FONT][FONT=Mangal]॥[/FONT] [COLOR=#4EFF21]sathigur gur saev alakh gath jaa kee sree raamadhaas thaaran tharanan ||2||[/COLOR] So serve the Guru, the True Guru; His ways and means are inscrutable. The Great Guru Raam Daas is the Boat to carry us across. ||2|| (Ang 1402) So again time is not the factor for those whose God is timeless or Akal. Well further to it term Kal dosh could effect the person with Nayay Shaster as that is too old to understand the science which talks of time a relative thing. Asambhav Dosh or fault of impossible he gives to Atishyokti Alankar. So at last das winds up. Mention of very grave demons never happened before is there, due to the fact that in past with limited power demigods less powerful villains were there. Then with absolute God with all powers demons were powerful in an unprecedented way and beyond the imagination, beyond the logic and beyond the science’s reach. So they produce villains contemporary of Guru, which only shows that Guru told Sikhs with this story that our God could tackle even unimaginable dangers. So do not be afraid of fear of unknown and further the present day villains are nothing but just a fraction of supporting arms of those old villains. If Akal could tackle old villains these present day guys are no match at all. Few questions . Why only Muguls, pathans are mentioned and not Rajputs as Guru has fought more battles with Hindus ? Well gods of Hindus are shown as one praying to Sikh God. Well it only proves that when gods of Rajputs are under the shelter of Sikh God, they hardly have any power. Further to it Rajputs have been seen joining the powerful side so Guru told this thing to Sikhs that as their gods took shelter to Akal, so will they take shelter to them when Sikhs are in power and that also happened. False gods of Rajputs are told to be defeated by demons and in other cases they were told to be very much afraid of Akal.(Verse 82,83). Further to it when compared to Moguls etc. Rajputs have never been a big force which could match the Sikhs(Rajputs had wrong notion that they could defeat the Sikhs but they failed so they called moguls etc. for help). Did Guru not want Moguls etc. to be Sikh then why they are made villains ? Well Moguls, Pathans, Sayyad Shekh etc. are from Ashraf group of Muslims(ie immigrant from abroad ie Mongolia, Afghanistan ,Arab and Iran respectively) They are the ruling class of that time. We have no mention of have-nots Ashraf(ie Kureshis(Butchers), Ansaris(Tanners) ,Siddiquies(Weavers), Havaris(Washerman), etc.) As with them although claiming to be an outsider there was no scope of fight. Then there is no talks of Arzals(Local converts like Halal Khors(scavengers) , Boharas(traders) etc.). Neither Shias and Sufis are been touched. Only the classes who were to come into conflict with Sikhs as rulers in India or as an invader from abroad later were mentioned. So das thinks that there issues are clarified by now. [/QUOTE]
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