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Answering The Wrong Doubts About Bani Onto Tenth Master
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<blockquote data-quote="vijaydeep Singh" data-source="post: 50740" data-attributes="member: 313"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">te and wants him making her bed beautiful.She tells a good lot of her internal state of mind,also tells about kings potency also.She praises him to be generous or miraculous and requests him to come on her.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">He tells her that he came to learn occult while she has other intention.He says that his dharm does not allow this(celibacy is more in Nath yoga and those who deem Rama as ideal such guys give Ramas staying aloof with other ladies who wanted to marry him or perhaps want to share him from Sita.Examples are Sarop Nakha,Naga Pricess(Ahiravana episode) and Vaishnavi Devi(whose Temple of Vaishnau Devi is near Jammu)(First one is negative while toher two are in positive light)). </p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">She made various charectors(assuming other roles or character then own one).She tried occult onto him.Then she shouted thief.People came,and She told them,she only had a dream.Then she again threatened,him of getting him bounded.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">Then lord made thought as such,by palying some character,let met get out of here and Mantra(occult) he came to learn here,has its essence in this escape only.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If I run,then honur will lgo and if do consumption(of sex) then Dharama will go.Both are difficult choise and may creator be helpful.I any son will be born then she will be joker/entertainer and if girl then She will be prostitute.(over here it more a sort of racial ego of rulers of that time,while mnay rulers had their sons and doughter going such works due to their misdeeds)He also thought again the two ways and harm from both.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">He told her,that she is beutifull and he was regretting to refuse her.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">He asks her to bring intoxicants and after using them ,they will have bhoga(utilization of sex).She bbecame happy and asked for all such things and gets it prepaired.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Then lord thought for that day lesson of Mantra is to not recite her(ie sleep with her).I will intoxicate her,put her on bed(let her be asleep) and will run away givng her 60 coins..</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Then there is message within whole of this charitar.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Dohara.Do not know love but appreance of money.Scorpia,snake and prostitute,tell? Are whose friend?.43.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">He kept her giving intoxicants and kept pretending love to her,till she was overcome by intoxication.When she was asleep on bed,Happened by giving her sixty coins he took path of run.(no where das could read that sixty coins were left on her head’s side on bed)..</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">Then another message and belive it that it is still the part of present day curiculla of a spy training.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Who does benfit/profit/hit to you,you do not do to that person.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Who showers pleasures to you,to that do not shower.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Of whose mind intention(bat) you can not get.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Do not show the secret of self mind to that(let it) happen.47.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Lord ran intoxicating lady and came setting in home and no one saw him.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">(From here das will put four lines and last two lines of that put das also in delima for some time and das overcame this with three solutions)So take it as point 5.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Arhil.Then lord,after coing to home did so,such a pledge. By Good attempt now I have protected my faith/dharma.Country to country I will spread the glory of my Lord.I will never ever again see the other lady.49.Dohra..That ought from that day covers in my heart.From that day,(I) do not see other’s wife ever.50.1..</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So das will explain 4 and 5 point in single.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">Let us see fifth one first.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Das thinks a missionary and with Brahmin conspiracy theory that,poision is been given wrapped in suger.Last line makes agenda of 405 Character visible,ie to pain Guru in bad light and also misguides Sikhs off the teaching of Guru Granth Sahib.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">Das is feeling very tense and weak like missionary feels.mind is full of regret and mourning.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It appears that narrator or writer is said to be the king as last line is in first person.(in Salok Mahal Ninth there are verse about Bal Chhutkio Bandhan Pare Kachh Hu Na hote Upaye.. then next verse comes to mind Bal hova Bandhan Chhute….)</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">So there persons can be speakers of last two lines.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left">1. <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The King</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><p style="text-align: left">2. <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The minister who says story to king</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><p style="text-align: left">3. <span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The writer who is Guru</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Case 1 is most valid.As in four lines before 50 ie 49th verse has second line with Kings saying in first person.Bhale Jatan So Rakh Dharam Ab Mai Liyo.By good attempt I protected by dharma now.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Let us see the whole last block again.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Arhil.Then lord,after coing to home did so, such a pledge. By Good attempt now I have protected my faith/dharma.Country to country I will spread the glory of my Lord.I will never ever again see the other lady.49.Dohra..That ought from that day covers in my heart.From that day,(I) do not see other’s wife ever.50.1..</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">One pledge was made after coming to slef home.it was to spread glory of self lord and to not to see other lady or may be other’s lady.That could mean celibacy in case other lady while rama like attitude in case it is other’s lady.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">That oought from that day covers my heart.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Here king could be saying still but after that day.By this narrator wants to say that thereafter king kept on saying this,after that episode.Other then that day,rather for ever.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Next could be the minster ie case 2.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Minister says that that ought of king covers his heart(he rembers it thoroughly) and and from that day he does not see else’s lady.Here that day means the day king did pledge,it is in heart of minister also.</span></span></p> <p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Case 3 could be from the day King made pledge,it is in heart of Guru also.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">But one thing comes that here case is of avoiding Prostitue and why are people taking pledge to not to see elses lady.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Prostitue is also elses lady.And taking inspiration from non Sikh for good is OK.Weather it is mythological or true.Are not inspiration of Dhru and Pralad is there in Darbar Sahib?</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Comong to point 4 about similarity in cases.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Both are not the deto.To point each and evry differnace is beyond the scope and wolrd to world translaton will help in there.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Some examples in similarity in history.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Alam and Ghanand both were poet and had a muslim girlfriend .</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Rasol(swas) and Moses both were prophet and king.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Story of Manu and Noah are similar(boat in flood).</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Killing of young by king is similar in case of Lord Jesus and Lord Krishna and leaving to safer area from birth place is also similar.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Prophet of Islam made some forecaste.First master also made(abour Sher Shah).</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Bhagat Namdev turned temple so First Master turned Qibla.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Sheikh Salim Chisti blessed Akber with son,Baba Budha blessed Fifth Master with son.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Both in case of Sixth Master and in case of Lord Krishan,there were attempts on life in young age.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">List can move further.Some can be true and some can be myth but similar things do happen.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">So the thing could be a case study of Hindu king(in 16 character),who is famous for generoussity and is fond of learning occult and miracle.He is in suop and how does he handles.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Leson from story.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">1.do not go to yogis and do not have interest to learn mantras etc.practicle expiriace In lifes are real mantras.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">2.occult is useless(she fails to influence the king by occult twice it is written).</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">3.Narrater tells and king also finds that prostitute had no love but wanted money so no need to love her.(das thinks that as per reformative principle of Gurmat,if Prostitue loves some one and both want to marry,it is OK(as she may be given a chance to live weded life out of hell,Hindus may not agree to such things) but love should be not between humans but with Akal.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">4.Do not get overwhelmed by a person as he starts to gives you benefit(this is the way by which agents are recruited in spies)/do not do anything with those benefits.Nor should we get showered by pleasure a person who is showering pleasure onto us.Of that person whoses things in mind we self can not get,we should not give secret of self mind to that person.</p><p></span></span><p style="text-align: left"> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><p style="text-align: left">Main story seems to be ended in 46th verses,47th has message and last three are just covering up of meaasage .Pledge by king etc. also can act over cover up to the message.</p></span></span></p><p style="text-align: left"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Character before it has15.264. at end before to be continued while one succeeding it has17.341,while this has 16.314.</p><p>Any opposer will say not fit to Gurbani and fails here as Guru can not do mistake.Had they </span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vijaydeep Singh, post: 50740, member: 313"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]te and wants him making her bed beautiful.She tells a good lot of her internal state of mind,also tells about kings potency also.She praises him to be generous or miraculous and requests him to come on her.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]He tells her that he came to learn occult while she has other intention.He says that his dharm does not allow this(celibacy is more in Nath yoga and those who deem Rama as ideal such guys give Ramas staying aloof with other ladies who wanted to marry him or perhaps want to share him from Sita.Examples are Sarop Nakha,Naga Pricess(Ahiravana episode) and Vaishnavi Devi(whose Temple of Vaishnau Devi is near Jammu)(First one is negative while toher two are in positive light)). She made various charectors(assuming other roles or character then own one).She tried occult onto him.Then she shouted thief.People came,and She told them,she only had a dream.Then she again threatened,him of getting him bounded.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]Then lord made thought as such,by palying some character,let met get out of here and Mantra(occult) he came to learn here,has its essence in this escape only. If I run,then honur will lgo and if do consumption(of sex) then Dharama will go.Both are difficult choise and may creator be helpful.I any son will be born then she will be joker/entertainer and if girl then She will be prostitute.(over here it more a sort of racial ego of rulers of that time,while mnay rulers had their sons and doughter going such works due to their misdeeds)He also thought again the two ways and harm from both. He told her,that she is beutifull and he was regretting to refuse her.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]He asks her to bring intoxicants and after using them ,they will have bhoga(utilization of sex).She bbecame happy and asked for all such things and gets it prepaired. Then lord thought for that day lesson of Mantra is to not recite her(ie sleep with her).I will intoxicate her,put her on bed(let her be asleep) and will run away givng her 60 coins.. Then there is message within whole of this charitar. Dohara.Do not know love but appreance of money.Scorpia,snake and prostitute,tell? Are whose friend?.43.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]He kept her giving intoxicants and kept pretending love to her,till she was overcome by intoxication.When she was asleep on bed,Happened by giving her sixty coins he took path of run.(no where das could read that sixty coins were left on her head’s side on bed)..[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]Then another message and belive it that it is still the part of present day curiculla of a spy training. Who does benfit/profit/hit to you,you do not do to that person. Who showers pleasures to you,to that do not shower. Of whose mind intention(bat) you can not get. Do not show the secret of self mind to that(let it) happen.47. Lord ran intoxicating lady and came setting in home and no one saw him.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT](From here das will put four lines and last two lines of that put das also in delima for some time and das overcame this with three solutions)So take it as point 5. Arhil.Then lord,after coing to home did so,such a pledge. By Good attempt now I have protected my faith/dharma.Country to country I will spread the glory of my Lord.I will never ever again see the other lady.49.Dohra..That ought from that day covers in my heart.From that day,(I) do not see other’s wife ever.50.1.. So das will explain 4 and 5 point in single.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]Let us see fifth one first. Das thinks a missionary and with Brahmin conspiracy theory that,poision is been given wrapped in suger.Last line makes agenda of 405 Character visible,ie to pain Guru in bad light and also misguides Sikhs off the teaching of Guru Granth Sahib.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]Das is feeling very tense and weak like missionary feels.mind is full of regret and mourning. It appears that narrator or writer is said to be the king as last line is in first person.(in Salok Mahal Ninth there are verse about Bal Chhutkio Bandhan Pare Kachh Hu Na hote Upaye.. then next verse comes to mind Bal hova Bandhan Chhute….) So there persons can be speakers of last two lines.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT]1. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The King[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT]2. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The minister who says story to king[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT]3. [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The writer who is Guru Case 1 is most valid.As in four lines before 50 ie 49th verse has second line with Kings saying in first person.Bhale Jatan So Rakh Dharam Ab Mai Liyo.By good attempt I protected by dharma now. Let us see the whole last block again. Arhil.Then lord,after coing to home did so, such a pledge. By Good attempt now I have protected my faith/dharma.Country to country I will spread the glory of my Lord.I will never ever again see the other lady.49.Dohra..That ought from that day covers in my heart.From that day,(I) do not see other’s wife ever.50.1.. One pledge was made after coming to slef home.it was to spread glory of self lord and to not to see other lady or may be other’s lady.That could mean celibacy in case other lady while rama like attitude in case it is other’s lady. That oought from that day covers my heart. Here king could be saying still but after that day.By this narrator wants to say that thereafter king kept on saying this,after that episode.Other then that day,rather for ever. Next could be the minster ie case 2. Minister says that that ought of king covers his heart(he rembers it thoroughly) and and from that day he does not see else’s lady.Here that day means the day king did pledge,it is in heart of minister also. Case 3 could be from the day King made pledge,it is in heart of Guru also.[/SIZE][/FONT][/LEFT][FONT=Arial][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]But one thing comes that here case is of avoiding Prostitue and why are people taking pledge to not to see elses lady. Prostitue is also elses lady.And taking inspiration from non Sikh for good is OK.Weather it is mythological or true.Are not inspiration of Dhru and Pralad is there in Darbar Sahib? Comong to point 4 about similarity in cases. Both are not the deto.To point each and evry differnace is beyond the scope and wolrd to world translaton will help in there. Some examples in similarity in history. Alam and Ghanand both were poet and had a muslim girlfriend . Rasol(swas) and Moses both were prophet and king. Story of Manu and Noah are similar(boat in flood). Killing of young by king is similar in case of Lord Jesus and Lord Krishna and leaving to safer area from birth place is also similar. Prophet of Islam made some forecaste.First master also made(abour Sher Shah). Bhagat Namdev turned temple so First Master turned Qibla. Sheikh Salim Chisti blessed Akber with son,Baba Budha blessed Fifth Master with son. Both in case of Sixth Master and in case of Lord Krishan,there were attempts on life in young age. List can move further.Some can be true and some can be myth but similar things do happen.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]So the thing could be a case study of Hindu king(in 16 character),who is famous for generoussity and is fond of learning occult and miracle.He is in suop and how does he handles. Leson from story. 1.do not go to yogis and do not have interest to learn mantras etc.practicle expiriace In lifes are real mantras. 2.occult is useless(she fails to influence the king by occult twice it is written). 3.Narrater tells and king also finds that prostitute had no love but wanted money so no need to love her.(das thinks that as per reformative principle of Gurmat,if Prostitue loves some one and both want to marry,it is OK(as she may be given a chance to live weded life out of hell,Hindus may not agree to such things) but love should be not between humans but with Akal. 4.Do not get overwhelmed by a person as he starts to gives you benefit(this is the way by which agents are recruited in spies)/do not do anything with those benefits.Nor should we get showered by pleasure a person who is showering pleasure onto us.Of that person whoses things in mind we self can not get,we should not give secret of self mind to that person.[/LEFT] [/SIZE][/FONT][LEFT] [/LEFT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3][LEFT]Main story seems to be ended in 46th verses,47th has message and last three are just covering up of meaasage .Pledge by king etc. also can act over cover up to the message. Character before it has15.264. at end before to be continued while one succeeding it has17.341,while this has 16.314.[/LEFT] Any opposer will say not fit to Gurbani and fails here as Guru can not do mistake.Had they [/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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