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Answering The Wrong Doubts About Bani Onto Tenth Master
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<blockquote data-quote="The Khalsa Fauj" data-source="post: 50124" data-attributes="member: 4028"><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“There is pricess in Bharatpur and MP of BJP called Krishendra Kaur.Kaur is word related to work and non Sikhs also use that.Term Koer and not Kaur is writtan for Anup Koer.But for you Tainka and Tatta are one and the same.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">What is pricess? I can’t find that word in dictionary. Did the writer mean prices? Doesn’t make sense. Tainka is </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">t</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> and tuttaa is </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">q</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">. Someone who doesn’t know how to properly read Punjabi or understand Punjabi (self admitted) is teaching me how to read Punjabi. Now biharis are going to teach Punjabis how to read Punjabi. What is the world coming to? I didn’t say there aren’t other kaurs. Where did I say other people can’t be kaurs? However, how do you know that the person isn’t trying to defame the Sikh Kaurs?</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Are you awawe that there is place near Vaishnu Devi called Adi Kuwari and in south as Kanya Kumari.Kumari means doughter.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">What is awawe? I have never seen that word in dictionary either. Kuare </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">kuAir</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> does mean kumari also but in Punjab people don’t have names like that. Kaur also means princess. So the lady can be a Sikh girl in chariters 21-23 but who knows what poet the poet means. It is not like the poet was a Sikh. Raam, Shyam, Kal or Soom aren’t Sikhs. Do you think I care about your vaishnu devi? She is just mythical like 24 avtar.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“No even a single time term came Anup Kaur.Term is noop Ku-ari to be pronounced as Noop Kuwari.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">True that it doesn’t come as Anoop Kaur but it is not Noop Ku-ari either. It is Noop Kuar. It is very important to learn to pronounce Gumukhi. Learning the alphabet isn’t good enough to pronounce Punjabi words.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Kuare </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">kuAir</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> does have 2 meanings:</span></span></span></p><ul> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">A girl under 5 years old</span></span></li> <li data-xf-list-type="ul"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">A princess. (what is the last name of Sikh women?)</span></span></li> </ul><p></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“But if a prostitute also becomes Amritdhari we have no problem.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Did not term prostitue come in Guru Granth Sahib?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Have look.Guru ranth Sahib Ji talked of reforming them too.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I don’t accept prostitutes becoming Amritdhari. This is too much. Prostitute must live a good life as juttee </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">jqI</span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"> sutte for like 10-15 years before she can be called Amritdhari. Here I mean juttee </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'GurbaniWebThick'">jqI</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="color: black"> according to Gurmat and not according to brahmnical philosophy. When did I say Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn’t talk about reforming bad people? RSS agents should be reformed too. So should be tria chariter followers. However, some pass the line and are too far to be reformed. Where did I say that the term prostitute doesn’t come in Guru Granth Sahib Ji? People should respect Guru Granth Sahib Ji and shouldn’t say “</span><span style="color: blue">Guru ranth Sahib Ji”</span><span style="color: black">. Thirty points aren’t needed to prove a point. For me, one Gurbani tukh is enough. Proves that there is no need for tria chariters and there is no way it could have been written by Guru Ji, especially when the poets clearly identify themselves. I will post quotes later. Remind me if I don’t as I have a fairly busy schedule.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Another non snese thing.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Listen son</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">You are helping your hindu family.Hindus can have name Anup Kumari(this not even a single time comes in any Charitar).</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Why das says that you help hindus.Since times before Muslims came Hindus have tradtions of prostitues.They were refered as Ganika,Veshya etc.And such names are used in Guru Granth Sahib.There is mention of one Urdu name called {censored} also but in Punjabi that is meant by widow.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Other names are Tawaif and kidli.Das could not found a single in that character you are after ie 21 to 23.And lastly since the time before Muslims came to this date it is as per regious santity that Hindus have devdasis ie Prostitutes in temples.And they were mostly Muslim?”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">What is non snese? Did the writer mean non sneeze? What does sneezing have to do with tria chariters? Is it abshagun? Gurmat doesn’t believe in sagans or absagans. I help everyone who asks for help. I think good for all in the world. World is in turmoil and will stay this way until Akaal does blessing. Of course hindus have prostitutes. That is why those types of people wrote tria chariters so they can pull the Sikhs to the same boat but it will not happen. Sikhs are waking up and will take charge when Akaal orders. Your knowledge on prostitutes doesn’t help promote kaam shaster as Guru written. It is still the work of soom, raam, shyam and kal. I not talking about prostitutes in mandirs. Mandirs have a tradition of having devdaasis. Mandirs in still have them. A lot of other ones were Muslim.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“And this lady is just at strart being mentioned as wife of wealthy?Are you blind?”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">This is another direct attack to disrespect me. Where did I noup kuar was poor? Quote it. Why are two chariters being mixed up? Chariters 21-23 and 16 are different. They should not be fixed. If the difference between chariters can’t be hold by some people, how can they tell the difference between Gurbani and stories of corruption? Gurmat is about Guru and Akaal. Gurbanis connects the person to Akaal and brings peace of mind while tria chariters make all relationships in the world questionable. E.g. No one is willing to accept such garbage as tria chariters as Gurbani unless the person is anti-Panthic or uneducated.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“so scholar like you is great and wants world to move as you want.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">I want world to focus on Guru Granth Sahib Ji and discard anything which defames Guru Ji or questions the social structure of society. If Dasam Granth is read by everyone, say goodbye to all relationships in the world.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Seeing Guru as per Gurbani is not the physical body but Guru over there is Akal.so seeing Guru is realsinsation of Truth.do you think that you show some bad person Guru Granth sahib and he will losse lust etc.?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Did not Pathan who stabbed Guru also seen physical form of Guru.Fact is that Guru is beyoond any form and Ten Master made us more towards that.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">But you still go after phyiscal form and want to decide who is Sikh or who is not.Very well.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Without understanding, nothing is gained. Understanding is the key. Did the woman understand? No she didn’t. She didn’t accept she was wrong so then there is issue (chariter 16). I am talking about the personality of the Guru and not the physical attributes. My mistake if I wasn’t clear. Pathan was just a gdaar like tria chariter promoters and had no gyan or dhyan. Without gyan and dhyan, the person is lost. Pathan was brainwashed by mullas just like Dasam Granth promoters brainwash their students. However, in Sikhi, both physical form and internal form must be inline with Gurbani. Guru has power to change the mind of people if wanted. E.g. Said Khan. Everyone has a weakness except Guru Ji. There are words which change even the worst of the worst. E.g. Guru Nanak Dev Ji changing Sajjan Thug, Kauda Bheel, etc.; Guru Aangad Dev Ji changing Hmaayu and others. Guru Gobind Singh Ji changing Said Khan, Dulla and then finally changing Aurangzeb. However, this woman talked back to Guru and had no honor. More flaws in these chariters will be exposed when translations are done. They will be done so Sikhs are no longer fooled by RSS propaganda.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Guru Ji says</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“Saabat Soorat Dastaar Siraaa” so physical saroop is also important.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">“1.Baba Srichand Ji as per you were not OK(das respects him).</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">2.Datu Ji were son of One Guru and kicked the succeeding Guru.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">3.Baba Mohan also did not cooprate with Foruth Guru.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">4.Then what about Prithwi chand?Did not Chandu also see the Guru and did not Jallad se him?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">5.As we move further Bidhichand,did he not see the Guru?</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">6.By the way if we go by your logic just presetnig any bad man in front of Guru Granth Sahib JI,all will be reformed.</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: blue"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">7.Then near Decca there were tow villages Guru told one to get uprooted as they were good people and they will spread good things and ,to bad guys Guru told to reamin settled.So did not those Bad guys swa Guru.”</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Baba Siri Chund was not a Sikh. He started his own mutt. He didn’t stay much with Guru Nanak Dev Ji so he didn’t have the understanding. Datu was inflicted by ego and wanted to be Guru just like those labeled sants and brahmgyanis. They also want to be called Guru thus defame Guru Ji by linking Guru Ji to ******* poetry such as tria chariters. However, they know that if they directly claim to be Guru, they will be kicked out like narakdharis and kookas. Baba Mohan gave pothis to Guru Arjan Dev Ji as per some sakhis but it is not true. Bani was handed over to Guru from Guru. This is not true. These are just Sakhis made up. Prithvi was run by ego and had wanted to be Guru. As for jallad, jallad was just doing as ordered. He didn’t want to make Guru Ji Shaheed. He also killed Chundoo after, if you didn’t know. Chandu was a terrorist and was with jahagir. This is history and doesn’t defame Guru Ji but does praise of Guru Ji as it shows how Guru Ji didn’t fear, didn’t change Bani and didn’t bow to anti-Panthic forces to please them. This is totally different from tria chariters. If someone can’t tell the difference then there are personal issues to take care of. Dheermal was from Guru Khaandaan and wanted to be Guru so this is also a different case. He it does Guru Upma again as Guru Sahib recited Adi Granth Sahib from spiritual strength again. This does praise of Guru again. The bad people and good people story isn’t related in this situation. They didn’t see Guru because they didn’t have the understanding. It doesn’t fault the Guru. What can Guru do if the chela is blind? Gurbani says this. However, the chariter situation is different. It is defaming Guru Ji by saying Guru Ji got fooled by a woman full of lust. I don’t know all these points are related? It is a totally different situation. If tria chariter followers want to question Guru by saying Guru wasn’t all powerful, then that is their issue. It is unbelievable on how low the people are willing to do to promote tria chariters but if we think about it, it isn’t hard to understand. Thos who can link garbage written by shyam, raam, kal and soom to Guru Ji, they won’t have trouble attacking Guru Ji in other situations either. May Akaal give them some wisdom and understanding and show them the light of truth.</span></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="The Khalsa Fauj, post: 50124, member: 4028"] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“There is pricess in Bharatpur and MP of BJP called Krishendra Kaur.Kaur is word related to work and non Sikhs also use that.Term Koer and not Kaur is writtan for Anup Koer.But for you Tainka and Tatta are one and the same.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman]What is pricess? I can’t find that word in dictionary. Did the writer mean prices? Doesn’t make sense. Tainka is [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]t[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] and tuttaa is [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]q[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman]. Someone who doesn’t know how to properly read Punjabi or understand Punjabi (self admitted) is teaching me how to read Punjabi. Now biharis are going to teach Punjabis how to read Punjabi. What is the world coming to? I didn’t say there aren’t other kaurs. Where did I say other people can’t be kaurs? However, how do you know that the person isn’t trying to defame the Sikh Kaurs?[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“Are you awawe that there is place near Vaishnu Devi called Adi Kuwari and in south as Kanya Kumari.Kumari means doughter.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman]What is awawe? I have never seen that word in dictionary either. Kuare [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]kuAir[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] does mean kumari also but in Punjab people don’t have names like that. Kaur also means princess. So the lady can be a Sikh girl in chariters 21-23 but who knows what poet the poet means. It is not like the poet was a Sikh. Raam, Shyam, Kal or Soom aren’t Sikhs. Do you think I care about your vaishnu devi? She is just mythical like 24 avtar.[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“No even a single time term came Anup Kaur.Term is noop Ku-ari to be pronounced as Noop Kuwari.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]True that it doesn’t come as Anoop Kaur but it is not Noop Ku-ari either. It is Noop Kuar. It is very important to learn to pronounce Gumukhi. Learning the alphabet isn’t good enough to pronounce Punjabi words.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman]Kuare [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]kuAir[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] does have 2 meanings:[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [LIST] [*][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]A girl under 5 years old[/FONT][/SIZE] [*][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]A princess. (what is the last name of Sikh women?)[/FONT][/SIZE][/LIST][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“But if a prostitute also becomes Amritdhari we have no problem. Did not term prostitue come in Guru Granth Sahib? Have look.Guru ranth Sahib Ji talked of reforming them too.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman]I don’t accept prostitutes becoming Amritdhari. This is too much. Prostitute must live a good life as juttee [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]jqI[/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman] sutte for like 10-15 years before she can be called Amritdhari. Here I mean juttee [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT=GurbaniWebThick]jqI[/FONT][/COLOR][FONT=Times New Roman][COLOR=black] according to Gurmat and not according to brahmnical philosophy. When did I say Guru Granth Sahib Ji doesn’t talk about reforming bad people? RSS agents should be reformed too. So should be tria chariter followers. However, some pass the line and are too far to be reformed. Where did I say that the term prostitute doesn’t come in Guru Granth Sahib Ji? People should respect Guru Granth Sahib Ji and shouldn’t say “[/COLOR][COLOR=blue]Guru ranth Sahib Ji”[/COLOR][COLOR=black]. Thirty points aren’t needed to prove a point. For me, one Gurbani tukh is enough. Proves that there is no need for tria chariters and there is no way it could have been written by Guru Ji, especially when the poets clearly identify themselves. I will post quotes later. Remind me if I don’t as I have a fairly busy schedule.[/COLOR][COLOR=blue][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“Another non snese thing. Listen son You are helping your hindu family.Hindus can have name Anup Kumari(this not even a single time comes in any Charitar). Why das says that you help hindus.Since times before Muslims came Hindus have tradtions of prostitues.They were refered as Ganika,Veshya etc.And such names are used in Guru Granth Sahib.There is mention of one Urdu name called {censored} also but in Punjabi that is meant by widow. Other names are Tawaif and kidli.Das could not found a single in that character you are after ie 21 to 23.And lastly since the time before Muslims came to this date it is as per regious santity that Hindus have devdasis ie Prostitutes in temples.And they were mostly Muslim?”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]What is non snese? Did the writer mean non sneeze? What does sneezing have to do with tria chariters? Is it abshagun? Gurmat doesn’t believe in sagans or absagans. I help everyone who asks for help. I think good for all in the world. World is in turmoil and will stay this way until Akaal does blessing. Of course hindus have prostitutes. That is why those types of people wrote tria chariters so they can pull the Sikhs to the same boat but it will not happen. Sikhs are waking up and will take charge when Akaal orders. Your knowledge on prostitutes doesn’t help promote kaam shaster as Guru written. It is still the work of soom, raam, shyam and kal. I not talking about prostitutes in mandirs. Mandirs have a tradition of having devdaasis. Mandirs in still have them. A lot of other ones were Muslim.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“And this lady is just at strart being mentioned as wife of wealthy?Are you blind?”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]This is another direct attack to disrespect me. Where did I noup kuar was poor? Quote it. Why are two chariters being mixed up? Chariters 21-23 and 16 are different. They should not be fixed. If the difference between chariters can’t be hold by some people, how can they tell the difference between Gurbani and stories of corruption? Gurmat is about Guru and Akaal. Gurbanis connects the person to Akaal and brings peace of mind while tria chariters make all relationships in the world questionable. E.g. No one is willing to accept such garbage as tria chariters as Gurbani unless the person is anti-Panthic or uneducated.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“so scholar like you is great and wants world to move as you want.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]I want world to focus on Guru Granth Sahib Ji and discard anything which defames Guru Ji or questions the social structure of society. If Dasam Granth is read by everyone, say goodbye to all relationships in the world.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“Seeing Guru as per Gurbani is not the physical body but Guru over there is Akal.so seeing Guru is realsinsation of Truth.do you think that you show some bad person Guru Granth sahib and he will losse lust etc.? Did not Pathan who stabbed Guru also seen physical form of Guru.Fact is that Guru is beyoond any form and Ten Master made us more towards that. But you still go after phyiscal form and want to decide who is Sikh or who is not.Very well.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Without understanding, nothing is gained. Understanding is the key. Did the woman understand? No she didn’t. She didn’t accept she was wrong so then there is issue (chariter 16). I am talking about the personality of the Guru and not the physical attributes. My mistake if I wasn’t clear. Pathan was just a gdaar like tria chariter promoters and had no gyan or dhyan. Without gyan and dhyan, the person is lost. Pathan was brainwashed by mullas just like Dasam Granth promoters brainwash their students. However, in Sikhi, both physical form and internal form must be inline with Gurbani. Guru has power to change the mind of people if wanted. E.g. Said Khan. Everyone has a weakness except Guru Ji. There are words which change even the worst of the worst. E.g. Guru Nanak Dev Ji changing Sajjan Thug, Kauda Bheel, etc.; Guru Aangad Dev Ji changing Hmaayu and others. Guru Gobind Singh Ji changing Said Khan, Dulla and then finally changing Aurangzeb. However, this woman talked back to Guru and had no honor. More flaws in these chariters will be exposed when translations are done. They will be done so Sikhs are no longer fooled by RSS propaganda.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Guru Ji says “Saabat Soorat Dastaar Siraaa” so physical saroop is also important.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Times New Roman][SIZE=3] [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]“1.Baba Srichand Ji as per you were not OK(das respects him). 2.Datu Ji were son of One Guru and kicked the succeeding Guru. 3.Baba Mohan also did not cooprate with Foruth Guru. 4.Then what about Prithwi chand?Did not Chandu also see the Guru and did not Jallad se him? 5.As we move further Bidhichand,did he not see the Guru? 6.By the way if we go by your logic just presetnig any bad man in front of Guru Granth Sahib JI,all will be reformed.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=blue][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]7.Then near Decca there were tow villages Guru told one to get uprooted as they were good people and they will spread good things and ,to bad guys Guru told to reamin settled.So did not those Bad guys swa Guru.”[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][SIZE=3][FONT=Times New Roman]Baba Siri Chund was not a Sikh. He started his own mutt. He didn’t stay much with Guru Nanak Dev Ji so he didn’t have the understanding. Datu was inflicted by ego and wanted to be Guru just like those labeled sants and brahmgyanis. They also want to be called Guru thus defame Guru Ji by linking Guru Ji to ******* poetry such as tria chariters. However, they know that if they directly claim to be Guru, they will be kicked out like narakdharis and kookas. Baba Mohan gave pothis to Guru Arjan Dev Ji as per some sakhis but it is not true. Bani was handed over to Guru from Guru. This is not true. These are just Sakhis made up. Prithvi was run by ego and had wanted to be Guru. As for jallad, jallad was just doing as ordered. He didn’t want to make Guru Ji Shaheed. He also killed Chundoo after, if you didn’t know. Chandu was a terrorist and was with jahagir. This is history and doesn’t defame Guru Ji but does praise of Guru Ji as it shows how Guru Ji didn’t fear, didn’t change Bani and didn’t bow to anti-Panthic forces to please them. This is totally different from tria chariters. If someone can’t tell the difference then there are personal issues to take care of. Dheermal was from Guru Khaandaan and wanted to be Guru so this is also a different case. He it does Guru Upma again as Guru Sahib recited Adi Granth Sahib from spiritual strength again. This does praise of Guru again. The bad people and good people story isn’t related in this situation. They didn’t see Guru because they didn’t have the understanding. It doesn’t fault the Guru. What can Guru do if the chela is blind? Gurbani says this. However, the chariter situation is different. It is defaming Guru Ji by saying Guru Ji got fooled by a woman full of lust. I don’t know all these points are related? It is a totally different situation. If tria chariter followers want to question Guru by saying Guru wasn’t all powerful, then that is their issue. It is unbelievable on how low the people are willing to do to promote tria chariters but if we think about it, it isn’t hard to understand. Thos who can link garbage written by shyam, raam, kal and soom to Guru Ji, they won’t have trouble attacking Guru Ji in other situations either. May Akaal give them some wisdom and understanding and show them the light of truth.[/FONT][/SIZE][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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