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Amritdharis And Non Amritdharis
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<blockquote data-quote="Sikh80" data-source="post: 67002" data-attributes="member: 5290"><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Amritdhari's and Non-Amritdhari's </span></span><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><a href="http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=102" target="_blank">http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=102</a><a href="http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=102&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=27" target="_blank">http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=102&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=27</a><a href="http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=102&itemid=27" target="_blank">http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=102&itemid=27</a></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Generally, people do not grasp the true meaning of the terms Amritdhari and nonAmritdhari Sikhs. The phrase non-Amritdhari Sikhs is meaningless. One cannot make a comparison between them. There is only one class of Sikhs and that class is the SIKH (Khalsa). Thus, one is either a Sikh or not a Sikh. Who is a Sikh? The literal meaning of the word Sikh is a 'disciple.' A Sikh is one who is a disciple of the Satguru. To be a disciple of the Satguru, one must completely surrender one's will and wisdom to the Will and Wisdom of the Satguru. Only then, the Satguru admits one is in his fold as a 'Sikh' and blesses him with the holy Naam. This initiation ceremony was previously referred to as the deekhya or charan pahul and has been prevalent right from the time of Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dcv Ji, as supported by Bhai Gurdas Ji:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Gur Deekhya Lai Sikh, Sikh Sadaayaa. (Var3,Pauri 11)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">One is called a Sikh only after he has been blessed with 'deekhya.'</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Charan Dhoe Rehraas Kar Charnamrit Gursikhaan Pilaaayaa (Var 1, Pauri 23)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">(Guru Nanak) followed the system of washing the Guru's Feet and blessing the Gursikhs with the Charanamrit (Charan-Pahul).</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji prescribed specific rules and regulations which must be unconditionally accepted by the candidates before they can be admitted as disciples (Sikhs). The ceremony by which the Panj Pyaras are authorized by the Satguru to admit such persons in the fold of Sikhism is partaking Khande-ki-Pahul or Amrit. Therefore, according to the Commandment of the Satguru, one can become a Sikh of the Guru only by taking Amrit. Such a person is also called an Amritdhari because he has been blessed with the holy Amrit and has, thus, become a Sikh. It is further explicit from the following couplet from Rahitnamaa of Bhai Desa Singh Ji:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Pratham Rahit Yeh Jaan, Khande-ki-Pahul Chhakey.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Soee Sikh Sujaan, Avar Naa Pahul Jo Lai.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><strong>The primary Rahit for a Sikh is to take Khande-ki-Pahul. Only he is sagacious Sikh.</strong><strong></strong></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"><strong><strong>Now consider this point from another angle. If someone belonging to other faiths like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., wishes conversion into Sikhism, what is he required to do? Does he become a Sikh by merely refraining from cutting his hair and wearing a turban as Sikhs do? Obviously not. (There are a number of such people with long hair, and even wearing turbans, belonging to faiths other than Sikhism). He has necessarily to partake the holy Amrit to become a Sikh. How can, then, one become a Sikh simply because of accident of birth, without being baptized?</strong></strong> This point has also been explicitly made clear by the Satguru himself as:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">So Sikh Sakhaa Bandhap Hai Bhai, Jay Gur Ke Bhaaney Vich Avey</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Aapney Bhaaney Jo Chaley Bhai, Vichharr Chotaan Khaavey. (pg 601)</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Only that person is a Sikh and he is my near and dear one, who comes under the total allegiance of the Guru. As against this, one who owes allegiance only to is personal will, always remains in separation and will suffer.</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Even in the booklet entitled Sikh Rahit Maryada published by the S.G.P.C., a Sikh has been defined as under:</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">"...Dashmesh ji dey Amrit utay nischa rakhadu hai atey</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">kisey hor dharam nu nahin manadaa, oh Sikh hai."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">"...and has full faith in the Amrit of the Tenth Guru and does not believe in any other faith, is a Sikh."</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'">Clearly, therefore, being a non-Amritdhari means that one, has not yet declared his total allegiance and obedience to Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji I Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji I Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as his Guru. Nor has he been blessed with the Gurmantra or Naam which is given ONLY at the time of baptism by Guru Sahib himself through the Panj Pyaras. Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself put a seal on this point by bowing before the Panj Pyaras for his own baptism. Are these so-called non-Amritdhari "Sikhs" greater than even Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, that they call themselves full-fledged Sikhs without being baptized?</span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Trebuchet MS'"></span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sikh80, post: 67002, member: 5290"] [COLOR=black][FONT='Trebuchet MS']Amritdhari's and Non-Amritdhari's [/FONT][/COLOR][COLOR=black][FONT='Trebuchet MS'][URL="http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&do_pdf=1&id=102"][/URL][URL="http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=102&pop=1&page=0&Itemid=27"][/URL][URL="http://www.sikhroots.com/index2.php?option=com_content&task=emailform&id=102&itemid=27"][/URL][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=#efefef][FONT='Trebuchet MS'][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT='Trebuchet MS']Generally, people do not grasp the true meaning of the terms Amritdhari and nonAmritdhari Sikhs. The phrase non-Amritdhari Sikhs is meaningless. One cannot make a comparison between them. There is only one class of Sikhs and that class is the SIKH (Khalsa). Thus, one is either a Sikh or not a Sikh. Who is a Sikh? The literal meaning of the word Sikh is a 'disciple.' A Sikh is one who is a disciple of the Satguru. To be a disciple of the Satguru, one must completely surrender one's will and wisdom to the Will and Wisdom of the Satguru. Only then, the Satguru admits one is in his fold as a 'Sikh' and blesses him with the holy Naam. This initiation ceremony was previously referred to as the deekhya or charan pahul and has been prevalent right from the time of Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dcv Ji, as supported by Bhai Gurdas Ji: Gur Deekhya Lai Sikh, Sikh Sadaayaa. (Var3,Pauri 11) One is called a Sikh only after he has been blessed with 'deekhya.' Charan Dhoe Rehraas Kar Charnamrit Gursikhaan Pilaaayaa (Var 1, Pauri 23) (Guru Nanak) followed the system of washing the Guru's Feet and blessing the Gursikhs with the Charanamrit (Charan-Pahul). Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji prescribed specific rules and regulations which must be unconditionally accepted by the candidates before they can be admitted as disciples (Sikhs). The ceremony by which the Panj Pyaras are authorized by the Satguru to admit such persons in the fold of Sikhism is partaking Khande-ki-Pahul or Amrit. Therefore, according to the Commandment of the Satguru, one can become a Sikh of the Guru only by taking Amrit. Such a person is also called an Amritdhari because he has been blessed with the holy Amrit and has, thus, become a Sikh. It is further explicit from the following couplet from Rahitnamaa of Bhai Desa Singh Ji: Pratham Rahit Yeh Jaan, Khande-ki-Pahul Chhakey. Soee Sikh Sujaan, Avar Naa Pahul Jo Lai. [B]The primary Rahit for a Sikh is to take Khande-ki-Pahul. Only he is sagacious Sikh.[/B][B] [B]Now consider this point from another angle. If someone belonging to other faiths like Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, etc., wishes conversion into Sikhism, what is he required to do? Does he become a Sikh by merely refraining from cutting his hair and wearing a turban as Sikhs do? Obviously not. (There are a number of such people with long hair, and even wearing turbans, belonging to faiths other than Sikhism). He has necessarily to partake the holy Amrit to become a Sikh. How can, then, one become a Sikh simply because of accident of birth, without being baptized?[/B][/B] This point has also been explicitly made clear by the Satguru himself as: So Sikh Sakhaa Bandhap Hai Bhai, Jay Gur Ke Bhaaney Vich Avey Aapney Bhaaney Jo Chaley Bhai, Vichharr Chotaan Khaavey. (pg 601) Only that person is a Sikh and he is my near and dear one, who comes under the total allegiance of the Guru. As against this, one who owes allegiance only to is personal will, always remains in separation and will suffer. Even in the booklet entitled Sikh Rahit Maryada published by the S.G.P.C., a Sikh has been defined as under: "...Dashmesh ji dey Amrit utay nischa rakhadu hai atey kisey hor dharam nu nahin manadaa, oh Sikh hai." "...and has full faith in the Amrit of the Tenth Guru and does not believe in any other faith, is a Sikh." Clearly, therefore, being a non-Amritdhari means that one, has not yet declared his total allegiance and obedience to Sahib Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji I Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji I Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji as his Guru. Nor has he been blessed with the Gurmantra or Naam which is given ONLY at the time of baptism by Guru Sahib himself through the Panj Pyaras. Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji himself put a seal on this point by bowing before the Panj Pyaras for his own baptism. Are these so-called non-Amritdhari "Sikhs" greater than even Sahib Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji, that they call themselves full-fledged Sikhs without being baptized? [/FONT][/COLOR] [/QUOTE]
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