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Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="TigerStyleZ" data-source="post: 176920" data-attributes="member: 15169"><p>Sat Siri Akal -</p><p>Siri Kamala ji, </p><p>sorry to say, but I dont agree with some of your points.</p><p></p><p>Yes, it is a Code created by man, but the Guru Granth Sahib ji as well, so where do you draw the line? What <em><strong>IF</strong></em> like you say, someone else says the same about the Guru Granth Sahib ji and changes meanings, words - phrases ? Would this be tenable? No , it wouldnt! But sadly exactly this is happening, e.g. Deras, Soamis , 'Babas' ( I know pointing and someone else is bad, but you can´t deny the facts and truth) </p><p>And here again we go, <em><strong>IF</strong></em> Sikhi had evovled out of China, there might be no 'fuss'/'talk' about hair or Turban, but about other things. Lets take the hair case - <em><strong>MAYBE</strong></em> in China it would be mandatory to cut hair and have short hair , what <strong><em>IF</em></strong> we take that<strong><em> <u>Scenario</u></em></strong>?</p><p></p><p>Yes, pointing at the book and calling it moon would be wrong in this case. But the SRM, is not poining at the moon, it is just the <strong><em>CODE OF CONDUCT</em></strong>, that should faccilliate our life. The SRM makes a compromise. It is the ambassador/mediator. Without norms like this we would live in {censored}aigne.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly, thats why we have the 5 K´s to distinguish! It gives us an (different) <strong>IDENTITY</strong> and thats almost the main point of the external Symbols. The external Symbols remind us of what we are, what we are doing and where we going! So they have an important ROLE to play! They are our Guidelines ! Here again, in life we have to make <strong><em>COMPROMISES, </em></strong>just look closely on your environment, on the place you are living. So, what immediately will catch your eye is , that you are <em><strong>ALREADY</strong></em> living accoriding rules! The Society, the ' democracy' , you are living in is MAN-MADE as well, but you , because you live there , already accepted and made compromises! For example, you have a court - that sends someone to jail if he had killed someone or stolen expensive items. So here you can clearly see, the point , right? This is just the same and applys here. </p><p></p><p>Futhermore think about the 'short comings' , people who are uneducated and/or have other problems? For them the SRM, is the perfect way to learn, develope theirselves. Because they have these Guidelines! Of course, we are Human beings, and we will make mistakes , this isn´t the question! But we will learn out of our mistakes! And that is so important about it. And the guidelines will help us defining ourselves, be it the SRM or any other Codes of conducts!</p><p></p><p>Well said, Waheguru/Allah/God/Jah'we loves all the same. </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>And please don´t feel offendend, this wasn´t my intention, my writing style is just very odd.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Waheguru ji ka Khalsa , Waheguru ji ki Fateh!</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="TigerStyleZ, post: 176920, member: 15169"] Sat Siri Akal - Siri Kamala ji, sorry to say, but I dont agree with some of your points. Yes, it is a Code created by man, but the Guru Granth Sahib ji as well, so where do you draw the line? What [I][B]IF[/B][/I] like you say, someone else says the same about the Guru Granth Sahib ji and changes meanings, words - phrases ? Would this be tenable? No , it wouldnt! But sadly exactly this is happening, e.g. Deras, Soamis , 'Babas' ( I know pointing and someone else is bad, but you can´t deny the facts and truth) And here again we go, [I][B]IF[/B][/I] Sikhi had evovled out of China, there might be no 'fuss'/'talk' about hair or Turban, but about other things. Lets take the hair case - [I][B]MAYBE[/B][/I] in China it would be mandatory to cut hair and have short hair , what [B][I]IF[/I][/B] we take that[B][I] [U]Scenario[/U][/I][/B]? Yes, pointing at the book and calling it moon would be wrong in this case. But the SRM, is not poining at the moon, it is just the [B][I]CODE OF CONDUCT[/I][/B], that should faccilliate our life. The SRM makes a compromise. It is the ambassador/mediator. Without norms like this we would live in {censored}aigne. Exactly, thats why we have the 5 K´s to distinguish! It gives us an (different) [B]IDENTITY[/B] and thats almost the main point of the external Symbols. The external Symbols remind us of what we are, what we are doing and where we going! So they have an important ROLE to play! They are our Guidelines ! Here again, in life we have to make [B][I]COMPROMISES, [/I][/B]just look closely on your environment, on the place you are living. So, what immediately will catch your eye is , that you are [I][B]ALREADY[/B][/I] living accoriding rules! The Society, the ' democracy' , you are living in is MAN-MADE as well, but you , because you live there , already accepted and made compromises! For example, you have a court - that sends someone to jail if he had killed someone or stolen expensive items. So here you can clearly see, the point , right? This is just the same and applys here. Futhermore think about the 'short comings' , people who are uneducated and/or have other problems? For them the SRM, is the perfect way to learn, develope theirselves. Because they have these Guidelines! Of course, we are Human beings, and we will make mistakes , this isn´t the question! But we will learn out of our mistakes! And that is so important about it. And the guidelines will help us defining ourselves, be it the SRM or any other Codes of conducts! Well said, Waheguru/Allah/God/Jah'we loves all the same. And please don´t feel offendend, this wasn´t my intention, my writing style is just very odd. Waheguru ji ka Khalsa , Waheguru ji ki Fateh! [/QUOTE]
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