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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 75319" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p>what happened to atoms? do you not wish to talk to me about atoms anymore? thats rude.</p><p> </p><p>we already addressed the planets and stars issue... the fact that planets rotate around the sun anticlockwise and muslims around the Kabaa is pure coincidence 50/50 chance (its like winning a coin toss).</p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'">Kay why don’t you debate with me instead…im more fun, neh?</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Exhibit A</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="http://www.wiredchemist.com/images/figure16.gif" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Electrons first fill a 1S orbital (as shown in exhibit A top)= maximum of 2 electrons can be found in this orbital (which is an energy state) spinning in opposite direction around their axis.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">If you energize an electron it will jump to the next energy level, which is 2S. If you keep energizing, it will jump to 2P (as shown bellow…notice that the 2P energy state can house 6 electrons in x,y, and z plane)…if you continue to energize then the electron can jump to 3s, 3p, 3d……(and so on…the higher energy orbitals are further from the nucleus and can house more electrons… via mathematical theory)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">It is important to notice that these shells are probabilities of where the electron can exist at any given moment.</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Aharoni'">Exhibit B </span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Aharoni'">this picture is available on wikipedia...under Quantum mechanics.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Aharoni'"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/HAtomOrbitals.png" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Caption: The </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefunction" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">wavefunctions</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> of an </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">electron</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> in a </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">hydrogen atom</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> possessing definite </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">energy</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> (increasing downward: <em>n</em> = 1, 2, 3, ...) and </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">angular momentum</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> (increasing across: <em>s</em>, <em>p</em>, <em>d</em>,...). Brighter areas correspond to higher </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_amplitude" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">probability density</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> for a position measurement. Wavefunctions like these are directly comparable to </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chladni%27s_figures" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">Chladni's figures</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> of </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustics" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">acoustic</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> modes of vibration in </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_physics" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">classical physics</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> and are indeed modes of oscillation as well: they possess a sharp </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">energy</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> and thus a keen </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">frequency</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px">. The </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">angular momentum</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> and energy are </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_%28physics%29" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">quantized</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px">, and only take on discrete values like those shown (as is the case for </span><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_frequency" target="_blank"><u><span style="color: #0066cc"><span style="font-size: 12px">resonant frequencies</span></span></u></a><span style="font-size: 12px"> in acoustics).</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Translation of diagram: </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">They took a standard hydrogen atom with a single electron (quadrant S1 on the diagram) energized it (via irradiation) to different energy levels…so that it can reside on different energy shells N=1 (the first and lowest energy shell possible, top left), 2 (the second energy shell, medial left), 3 (the third energy shell, bottom left). </span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The center is the nucleus and the electron can reside anywhere along that field in orange (the lighter the orange the less the probability of the electron presence…this is known as an electron cloud, scientist will call it an MO diagram)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">TRANSLATION FOR YOU KAY:</span></span></span></p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Electrons exist as waves...quantified by a resonance frequency...there presence around the nucleus can only be determined through probabilities (they cannot even be expressed as particles)</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">so what is rotating around what?</span></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">rotation around anything would leave an atom unstable...its electron cloud would collapse as it radiates energy. You have to remember that electrons are held in place by electrostatic forces NOT gravitational forces...what happens when electrostatic forces move around each other? They create a magnetic field and dissipate energy through that field...so a moving orbit is theoretically IMPOSSIBLE because it would dissipate energy from the atom!</span></span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="color: black"><span style="font-family: 'Tahoma'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Exhibit C</span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Aharoni'"><span style="font-size: 12px"><img src="http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Helium_atom_with_charge-smaller.jpg" alt="" class="fr-fic fr-dii fr-draggable " style="" /></span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Aharoni'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">this is a Erwin Schrodinger atomic model of helium…the electrons are not represented as particles but as waves suspended in their respective orbital shells. They exist everywhere along the wave at any given time. SO Translated</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Wingdings'"><span style="font-family: 'Wingdings'">à</span></span><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'"><span style="font-family: 'Aharoni'"> The wave is the electron!!!!!!!</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Aharoni'"><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">If there are any more questions I could answer…please feel free to ask. However, you must note, I cannot address, rectify or disprove irrational convictions.</span></span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Times New Roman'">Its important that you and hopefully the larger muslim community accept modern science…it’s the future!</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 75319, member: 2684"] what happened to atoms? do you not wish to talk to me about atoms anymore? thats rude. we already addressed the planets and stars issue... the fact that planets rotate around the sun anticlockwise and muslims around the Kabaa is pure coincidence 50/50 chance (its like winning a coin toss). [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma]Kay why don’t you debate with me instead…im more fun, neh?[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Exhibit A[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [SIZE=3][IMG]http://www.wiredchemist.com/images/figure16.gif[/IMG][/SIZE] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Electrons first fill a 1S orbital (as shown in exhibit A top)= maximum of 2 electrons can be found in this orbital (which is an energy state) spinning in opposite direction around their axis.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]If you energize an electron it will jump to the next energy level, which is 2S. If you keep energizing, it will jump to 2P (as shown bellow…notice that the 2P energy state can house 6 electrons in x,y, and z plane)…if you continue to energize then the electron can jump to 3s, 3p, 3d……(and so on…the higher energy orbitals are further from the nucleus and can house more electrons… via mathematical theory)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]It is important to notice that these shells are probabilities of where the electron can exist at any given moment.[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Aharoni]Exhibit B [/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Aharoni]this picture is available on wikipedia...under Quantum mechanics.[/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Aharoni][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/HAtomOrbitals.png[/IMG][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Caption: The [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wavefunction"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]wavefunctions[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] of an [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]electron[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] in a [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]hydrogen atom[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] possessing definite [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]energy[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] (increasing downward: [I]n[/I] = 1, 2, 3, ...) and [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]angular momentum[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] (increasing across: [I]s[/I], [I]p[/I], [I]d[/I],...). Brighter areas correspond to higher [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Probability_amplitude"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]probability density[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] for a position measurement. Wavefunctions like these are directly comparable to [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chladni%27s_figures"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]Chladni's figures[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] of [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acoustics"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]acoustic[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] modes of vibration in [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_physics"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]classical physics[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] and are indeed modes of oscillation as well: they possess a sharp [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]energy[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] and thus a keen [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frequency"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]frequency[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3]. The [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angular_momentum"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]angular momentum[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] and energy are [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantization_%28physics%29"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]quantized[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3], and only take on discrete values like those shown (as is the case for [/SIZE][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resonant_frequency"][U][COLOR=#0066cc][SIZE=3]resonant frequencies[/SIZE][/COLOR][/U][/URL][SIZE=3] in acoustics).[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Translation of diagram: [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]They took a standard hydrogen atom with a single electron (quadrant S1 on the diagram) energized it (via irradiation) to different energy levels…so that it can reside on different energy shells N=1 (the first and lowest energy shell possible, top left), 2 (the second energy shell, medial left), 3 (the third energy shell, bottom left). [/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]The center is the nucleus and the electron can reside anywhere along that field in orange (the lighter the orange the less the probability of the electron presence…this is known as an electron cloud, scientist will call it an MO diagram)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]TRANSLATION FOR YOU KAY:[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Electrons exist as waves...quantified by a resonance frequency...there presence around the nucleus can only be determined through probabilities (they cannot even be expressed as particles)[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]so what is rotating around what?[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]rotation around anything would leave an atom unstable...its electron cloud would collapse as it radiates energy. You have to remember that electrons are held in place by electrostatic forces NOT gravitational forces...what happens when electrostatic forces move around each other? They create a magnetic field and dissipate energy through that field...so a moving orbit is theoretically IMPOSSIBLE because it would dissipate energy from the atom![/SIZE][/FONT] [COLOR=black][FONT=Tahoma][SIZE=3]Exhibit C[/SIZE][/FONT][/COLOR] [FONT=Aharoni][SIZE=3][IMG]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/Helium_atom_with_charge-smaller.jpg[/IMG][/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Aharoni][FONT=Times New Roman]this is a Erwin Schrodinger atomic model of helium…the electrons are not represented as particles but as waves suspended in their respective orbital shells. They exist everywhere along the wave at any given time. SO Translated[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Wingdings][FONT=Wingdings]à[/FONT][/FONT][FONT=Times New Roman][FONT=Aharoni] The wave is the electron!!!!!!![/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Aharoni][FONT=Times New Roman]If there are any more questions I could answer…please feel free to ask. However, you must note, I cannot address, rectify or disprove irrational convictions.[/FONT][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman]Its important that you and hopefully the larger muslim community accept modern science…it’s the future![/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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