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<blockquote data-quote="kay" data-source="post: 75174" data-attributes="member: 5376"><p>Firstly thank you for your questions, i do not mean to offend you in any way. This thread did begin with an attack on Islam, and I am here to clarify the misconceptions.</p><p></p><p>Question 1. There were times when man did not exist. Billion years after the creation of the universe humans were created. In other words, we were nothing before we were created: </p><p>"Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing?" (19:67).</p><p>Man created from sperm and dust </p><p>The Qur’an refers to the lowly beginnings of a human being from a drop of sperm, in several verses including the following verse from Surah Al-Qiyamah:</p><p>"Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)"? </p><p>[Al-Qur’an 75:37]</p><p>The Qur’an also mentions in several places that human beings were created from dust. The following verse makes a reference to the origin of human beings:</p><p>"(Consider) that We created you out of dust".</p><p>[Al-Qur’an 22:5]</p><p>We now know that all the elements present in the human body (i.e. the constituent elements of the human body) are all present in the earth in small or great quantities. This is the scientific explanation for the Qur’anic verse that says that man was created from dust.</p><p>In certain verses, the Qur’an says that man was created from sperm, while in certain other verses it says that man was created from dust. However this is not a contradiction. Contradiction means statements, which are opposite or conflicting and both cannot be true simultaneously. </p><p>2. Man created from water </p><p>In certain places the Qur’an also says that man was created from water. For instance in Surah Al-Furqan it says:</p><p>"It is He Who has created man from water".</p><p>[Al-Qur’an 25:54]</p><p>Science has proved all the three statements to be correct. Man has been created from sperm, dust as well as water.</p><p>3. It is not a Contradiction but a Contradistinction </p><p>Suppose I say that in order to make a cup of tea one needs water. One also needs tealeaves or tea powder. The two statements are not contradictory since both water and tealeaves are required in order to make a cup of tea. Furthermore if I want sweet tea I can even add sugar.</p><p>Thus there is no contradiction in the Qur’an when it says that man is created from sperm, dust and water. It is not a contradiction but a contradistinction. Contradistinction means speaking about two different concepts on the same subject without conflict. For instance if I say that the man is always truthful and a habitual liar, it is a contradiction, but if I say that a man is always honest, kind and loving, then it is a contradistinction. </p><p> </p><p></p><p>QUESTION 2: Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an? </p><p>1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256). </p><p>2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3). </p><p>3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5). "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29). </p><p>ANSWER 2: Yes, there is no compulsion in religion according to the Quran, and Muslims are permitted to defend themselves against aggressors and murderers.</p><p>The Quran promotes freedom of opinion, religion, and expression. The critic is taking the verses from Chapter 9 out of its context and present it as a contradiction with the principle expressed in 2:256 and other verses. The Chapter 9 starts with an ultimatum Meccan mushriks who not only tortured, killed, and evicted muslims from their homes, they mobilized several major war campaigns against them while they established a peaceful multinational and multi-religious community. The beginning of the Chapter refers to their violation of the peace treaty and gives them an ultimatum and four months to stop aggression. Thus, the verses quoted from Chapter 9 have nothing to do with freedom of religion; it is a warning against aggressor murderer religious fanatics.</p><p></p><p>QUESTION 3: The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses? </p><p>1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12). </p><p>2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143). </p><p>3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132). </p><p>ANSWER 3: Many Prophets and messengers were the first muslims in their time and location.</p><p>If we check google.com with the following words: Olympic first place 100-meters and running, we will find many names of athletes who got the first place. If we use the logic of the critic, we would think that there is a great confusion and contradictory claims regarding the first place winner of 100-meters. What is wrong with that logic? Obviously, we need to consider the two important elements called time and space! Abraham was first muslim (submitter and promoter of peace) in his time and location. Similarly, Moses and Muhammad were too pioneer muslims of their times. </p><p></p><p>ANSWER 4: God does not forgive those who associate other powers or gods to Him, if they do not repent on time.</p><p>The Quran contains numerous verses regarding idol-worshipers or mushriks accepting the message of islam. </p><p>"He is the One who accepts the repentance from His servants, and remits the sins. He is fully aware of everything you do." (42:25).</p><p>Most of the supporters of and companion of messengers were associating partners to God before they repented and accepted the message. </p><p></p><p>QUESTION 6: Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning? </p><p>1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: 'I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam).' (It was said to him): 'Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee!' But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92). </p><p>2. "Moses said, 'Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!' So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103). </p><p>ANSWER 6: Pharaoh was killed by drowning and his body was saved via mummification.</p><p>Verse 10:92 does not say that God will keep Pharaoh alive; it informs us that God will preseverve His body after he was drowned. We know that the pharoah has been preserved.</p><p>if you want answers to other questions, find it your self! if you are open minded and you want to know the truth, not argue your way around the truth, then I will find it for you. </p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p> </p><p>why dont you and proove me wrong? It clearly refers to a lamp, a lamp give of its own light, a lamp shining on an object does not make it similar to a lamp, instead it applies it light onto an object like the quran says:</p><p> </p><p>"It is He who made sun a lamp, and moon a light and measured stages so you know number of years and count (of time)." (10:5) </p><p> </p><p>The arabic word used for Nur means applied light or reflection of light! these scientific facts have been confirmd by top scientists in the world! example professor keith moore, dr maurice bucaille, .......</p><p> </p><p>they have all concluded that there is not a single contradiction in the Quran with established modern science. Friend no offense you cant believe in somthing without proof. Otherwise anyone could claim they are a prophet, but infact they are completely misleading you. Its your decision, and you are accountable for for it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="kay, post: 75174, member: 5376"] Firstly thank you for your questions, i do not mean to offend you in any way. This thread did begin with an attack on Islam, and I am here to clarify the misconceptions. Question 1. There were times when man did not exist. Billion years after the creation of the universe humans were created. In other words, we were nothing before we were created: "Did the human being forget that we created him already, and he was nothing?" (19:67). Man created from sperm and dust The Qur’an refers to the lowly beginnings of a human being from a drop of sperm, in several verses including the following verse from Surah Al-Qiyamah: "Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)"? [Al-Qur’an 75:37] The Qur’an also mentions in several places that human beings were created from dust. The following verse makes a reference to the origin of human beings: "(Consider) that We created you out of dust". [Al-Qur’an 22:5] We now know that all the elements present in the human body (i.e. the constituent elements of the human body) are all present in the earth in small or great quantities. This is the scientific explanation for the Qur’anic verse that says that man was created from dust. In certain verses, the Qur’an says that man was created from sperm, while in certain other verses it says that man was created from dust. However this is not a contradiction. Contradiction means statements, which are opposite or conflicting and both cannot be true simultaneously. 2. Man created from water In certain places the Qur’an also says that man was created from water. For instance in Surah Al-Furqan it says: "It is He Who has created man from water". [Al-Qur’an 25:54] Science has proved all the three statements to be correct. Man has been created from sperm, dust as well as water. 3. It is not a Contradiction but a Contradistinction Suppose I say that in order to make a cup of tea one needs water. One also needs tealeaves or tea powder. The two statements are not contradictory since both water and tealeaves are required in order to make a cup of tea. Furthermore if I want sweet tea I can even add sugar. Thus there is no contradiction in the Qur’an when it says that man is created from sperm, dust and water. It is not a contradiction but a contradistinction. Contradistinction means speaking about two different concepts on the same subject without conflict. For instance if I say that the man is always truthful and a habitual liar, it is a contradiction, but if I say that a man is always honest, kind and loving, then it is a contradistinction. QUESTION 2: Is there or is there not compulsion in religion according to the Qur'an? 1. "Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things," (2:256). 2. "And an announcement from Allah and His Messenger, to the people (assembled) on the day of the Great Pilgrimage,- that Allah and His Messenger dissolve (treaty) obligations with the Pagans. If then, ye repent, it were best for you; but if ye turn away, know ye that ye cannot frustrate Allah. And proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3). 3. "But when the forbidden months are past, then fight and slay the Pagans wherever ye find them, and seize them, beleaguer them, and lie in wait for them in every stratagem (of war); but if they repent, and establish regular prayers and practice regular charity, then open the way for them: for Allah is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful," (9:5). "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued," (9:29). ANSWER 2: Yes, there is no compulsion in religion according to the Quran, and Muslims are permitted to defend themselves against aggressors and murderers. The Quran promotes freedom of opinion, religion, and expression. The critic is taking the verses from Chapter 9 out of its context and present it as a contradiction with the principle expressed in 2:256 and other verses. The Chapter 9 starts with an ultimatum Meccan mushriks who not only tortured, killed, and evicted muslims from their homes, they mobilized several major war campaigns against them while they established a peaceful multinational and multi-religious community. The beginning of the Chapter refers to their violation of the peace treaty and gives them an ultimatum and four months to stop aggression. Thus, the verses quoted from Chapter 9 have nothing to do with freedom of religion; it is a warning against aggressor murderer religious fanatics. QUESTION 3: The first Muslim was Muhammad? Abraham? Jacob? Moses? 1. "And I [Muhammad] am commanded to be the first of those who bow to Allah in Islam," (39:12). 2. "When Moses came to the place appointed by Us, and his Lord addressed him, He said: "O my Lord! show (Thyself) to me, that I may look upon thee." Allah said: "By no means canst thou see Me (direct); But look upon the mount; if it abide in its place, then shalt thou see Me." When his Lord manifested His glory on the Mount, He made it as dust. And Moses fell down in a swoon. When he recovered his senses he said: "Glory be to Thee! to Thee I turn in repentance, and I am the first to believe." (7:143). 3. "And this was the legacy that Abraham left to his sons, and so did Jacob; "Oh my sons! Allah hath chosen the Faith for you; then die not except in the Faith of Islam," (2:132). ANSWER 3: Many Prophets and messengers were the first muslims in their time and location. If we check google.com with the following words: Olympic first place 100-meters and running, we will find many names of athletes who got the first place. If we use the logic of the critic, we would think that there is a great confusion and contradictory claims regarding the first place winner of 100-meters. What is wrong with that logic? Obviously, we need to consider the two important elements called time and space! Abraham was first muslim (submitter and promoter of peace) in his time and location. Similarly, Moses and Muhammad were too pioneer muslims of their times. ANSWER 4: God does not forgive those who associate other powers or gods to Him, if they do not repent on time. The Quran contains numerous verses regarding idol-worshipers or mushriks accepting the message of islam. "He is the One who accepts the repentance from His servants, and remits the sins. He is fully aware of everything you do." (42:25). Most of the supporters of and companion of messengers were associating partners to God before they repented and accepted the message. QUESTION 6: Was Pharaoh killed or not killed by drowning? 1. "We took the Children of Israel across the sea: Pharaoh and his hosts followed them in insolence and spite. At length, when overwhelmed with the flood, he said: 'I believe that there is no god except Him Whom the Children of Israel believe in: I am of those who submit (to Allah in Islam).' (It was said to him): 'Ah now!- But a little while before, wast thou in rebellion!- and thou didst mischief (and violence)! This day shall We save thee in the body, that thou mayest be a sign to those who come after thee!' But verily, many among mankind are heedless of Our Signs!" (10:90-92). 2. "Moses said, 'Thou knowest well that these things have been sent down by none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth as eye-opening evidence: and I consider thee indeed, O Pharaoh, to be one doomed to destruction!' So he resolved to remove them from the face of the earth: but We did drown him and all who were with him," (17:102-103). ANSWER 6: Pharaoh was killed by drowning and his body was saved via mummification. Verse 10:92 does not say that God will keep Pharaoh alive; it informs us that God will preseverve His body after he was drowned. We know that the pharoah has been preserved. if you want answers to other questions, find it your self! if you are open minded and you want to know the truth, not argue your way around the truth, then I will find it for you. why dont you and proove me wrong? It clearly refers to a lamp, a lamp give of its own light, a lamp shining on an object does not make it similar to a lamp, instead it applies it light onto an object like the quran says: "It is He who made sun a lamp, and moon a light and measured stages so you know number of years and count (of time)." (10:5) The arabic word used for Nur means applied light or reflection of light! these scientific facts have been confirmd by top scientists in the world! example professor keith moore, dr maurice bucaille, ....... they have all concluded that there is not a single contradiction in the Quran with established modern science. Friend no offense you cant believe in somthing without proof. Otherwise anyone could claim they are a prophet, but infact they are completely misleading you. Its your decision, and you are accountable for for it. [/QUOTE]
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