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Guru Granth Sahib
Composition, Arrangement & Layout
ਜਪੁ | Jup
ਸੋ ਦਰੁ | So Dar
ਸੋਹਿਲਾ | Sohilaa
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਿਰੀਰਾਗੁ | Raag Siree-Raag
Gurbani (14-53)
Ashtpadiyan (53-71)
Gurbani (71-74)
Pahre (74-78)
Chhant (78-81)
Vanjara (81-82)
Vaar Siri Raag (83-91)
Bhagat Bani (91-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਝ | Raag Maajh
Gurbani (94-109)
Ashtpadi (109)
Ashtpadiyan (110-129)
Ashtpadi (129-130)
Ashtpadiyan (130-133)
Bara Maha (133-136)
Din Raen (136-137)
Vaar Maajh Ki (137-150)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗਉੜੀ | Raag Gauree
Gurbani (151-185)
Quartets/Couplets (185-220)
Ashtpadiyan (220-234)
Karhalei (234-235)
Ashtpadiyan (235-242)
Chhant (242-249)
Baavan Akhari (250-262)
Sukhmani (262-296)
Thittee (296-300)
Gauree kii Vaar (300-323)
Gurbani (323-330)
Ashtpadiyan (330-340)
Baavan Akhari (340-343)
Thintteen (343-344)
Vaar Kabir (344-345)
Bhagat Bani (345-346)
ਰਾਗੁ ਆਸਾ | Raag Aasaa
Gurbani (347-348)
Chaupaday (348-364)
Panchpadde (364-365)
Kaafee (365-409)
Aasaavaree (409-411)
Ashtpadiyan (411-432)
Patee (432-435)
Chhant (435-462)
Vaar Aasaa (462-475)
Bhagat Bani (475-488)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੂਜਰੀ | Raag Goojaree
Gurbani (489-503)
Ashtpadiyan (503-508)
Vaar Gujari (508-517)
Vaar Gujari (517-526)
ਰਾਗੁ ਦੇਵਗੰਧਾਰੀ | Raag Dayv-Gandhaaree
Gurbani (527-536)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਹਾਗੜਾ | Raag Bihaagraa
Gurbani (537-556)
Chhant (538-548)
Vaar Bihaagraa (548-556)
ਰਾਗੁ ਵਡਹੰਸ | Raag Wadhans
Gurbani (557-564)
Ashtpadiyan (564-565)
Chhant (565-575)
Ghoriaan (575-578)
Alaahaniiaa (578-582)
Vaar Wadhans (582-594)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੋਰਠਿ | Raag Sorath
Gurbani (595-634)
Asatpadhiya (634-642)
Vaar Sorath (642-659)
ਰਾਗੁ ਧਨਾਸਰੀ | Raag Dhanasaree
Gurbani (660-685)
Astpadhiya (685-687)
Chhant (687-691)
Bhagat Bani (691-695)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਤਸਰੀ | Raag Jaitsree
Gurbani (696-703)
Chhant (703-705)
Vaar Jaitsaree (705-710)
Bhagat Bani (710)
ਰਾਗੁ ਟੋਡੀ | Raag Todee
ਰਾਗੁ ਬੈਰਾੜੀ | Raag Bairaaree
ਰਾਗੁ ਤਿਲੰਗ | Raag Tilang
Gurbani (721-727)
Bhagat Bani (727)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸੂਹੀ | Raag Suhi
Gurbani (728-750)
Ashtpadiyan (750-761)
Kaafee (761-762)
Suchajee (762)
Gunvantee (763)
Chhant (763-785)
Vaar Soohee (785-792)
Bhagat Bani (792-794)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਿਲਾਵਲੁ | Raag Bilaaval
Gurbani (795-831)
Ashtpadiyan (831-838)
Thitteen (838-840)
Vaar Sat (841-843)
Chhant (843-848)
Vaar Bilaaval (849-855)
Bhagat Bani (855-858)
ਰਾਗੁ ਗੋਂਡ | Raag Gond
Gurbani (859-869)
Ashtpadiyan (869)
Bhagat Bani (870-875)
ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ | Raag Ramkalee
Ashtpadiyan (902-916)
Gurbani (876-902)
Anand (917-922)
Sadd (923-924)
Chhant (924-929)
Dakhnee (929-938)
Sidh Gosat (938-946)
Vaar Ramkalee (947-968)
ਰਾਗੁ ਨਟ ਨਾਰਾਇਨ | Raag Nat Narayan
Gurbani (975-980)
Ashtpadiyan (980-983)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਲੀ ਗਉੜਾ | Raag Maalee Gauraa
Gurbani (984-988)
Bhagat Bani (988)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਾਰੂ | Raag Maaroo
Gurbani (889-1008)
Ashtpadiyan (1008-1014)
Kaafee (1014-1016)
Ashtpadiyan (1016-1019)
Anjulian (1019-1020)
Solhe (1020-1033)
Dakhni (1033-1043)
ਰਾਗੁ ਤੁਖਾਰੀ | Raag Tukhaari
Bara Maha (1107-1110)
Chhant (1110-1117)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕੇਦਾਰਾ | Raag Kedara
Gurbani (1118-1123)
Bhagat Bani (1123-1124)
ਰਾਗੁ ਭੈਰਉ | Raag Bhairo
Gurbani (1125-1152)
Partaal (1153)
Ashtpadiyan (1153-1167)
ਰਾਗੁ ਬਸੰਤੁ | Raag Basant
Gurbani (1168-1187)
Ashtpadiyan (1187-1193)
Vaar Basant (1193-1196)
ਰਾਗੁ ਸਾਰਗ | Raag Saarag
Gurbani (1197-1200)
Partaal (1200-1231)
Ashtpadiyan (1232-1236)
Chhant (1236-1237)
Vaar Saarang (1237-1253)
ਰਾਗੁ ਮਲਾਰ | Raag Malaar
Gurbani (1254-1293)
Partaal (1265-1273)
Ashtpadiyan (1273-1278)
Chhant (1278)
Vaar Malaar (1278-91)
Bhagat Bani (1292-93)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਾਨੜਾ | Raag Kaanraa
Gurbani (1294-96)
Partaal (1296-1318)
Ashtpadiyan (1308-1312)
Chhant (1312)
Vaar Kaanraa
Bhagat Bani (1318)
ਰਾਗੁ ਕਲਿਆਨ | Raag Kalyaan
Gurbani (1319-23)
Ashtpadiyan (1323-26)
ਰਾਗੁ ਪ੍ਰਭਾਤੀ | Raag Prabhaatee
Gurbani (1327-1341)
Ashtpadiyan (1342-51)
ਰਾਗੁ ਜੈਜਾਵੰਤੀ | Raag Jaijaiwanti
Gurbani (1352-53)
Salok | Gatha | Phunahe | Chaubole | Swayiye
Sehskritee Mahala 1
Sehskritee Mahala 5
Gaathaa Mahala 5
Phunhay Mahala 5
Chaubolae Mahala 5
Shaloks Bhagat Kabir
Shaloks Sheikh Farid
Swaiyyae Mahala 5
Swaiyyae in Praise of Gurus
Shaloks in Addition To Vaars
Shalok Ninth Mehl
Mundavanee Mehl 5
ਰਾਗ ਮਾਲਾ, Raag Maalaa
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<blockquote data-quote="CaramelChocolate" data-source="post: 132901" data-attributes="member: 228"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Also the whole argument that soul_jyot has POSTED (not even their own words) is flawed. It begins the argument based on the idea that homosexuality is based upon sex (it is even written there!). The argument uses lust as a disproval of homosexuality. When Guru Granth Sahib Jee mentions lust, let's see the type of lust that is mentioned:</span></p><p> </p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'AnmolUniPr'"><span style="color: black">ਕਾਮਵੰਤ <span style="color: black">ਕਾਮੀ ਬਹੁ ਨਾਰੀ ਪਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਜੋਹ ਨ ਚੂਕੈ ॥</span></span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black"><span style="color: black">The lustful, lecherous</span> man desires many women, and he never stops peeking into the homes of others. - 672</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px">ਜਗੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਹਿਤਕਾਰੀ ॥</span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">The men of the world are <span style="font-family: 'Arial'">conquered by <span style="color: black">woman;</span> they love the ladies. - 412</span></span></span></p><p><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਾਮੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਕਾਮੀ </span></span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪੁਰਖ" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਪੁਰਖ </span></span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਾਮਨੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਕਾਮਨੀ </span></span></span></a><a href="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਆਰੀ" target="_blank"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">ਪਿਆਰੀ </span></span></span></a><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="color: black">॥ </span></span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 9px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="color: black">and the sexually promiscuous man who loves women and sex, -1164</span></span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">Heterosexual lust! There is a common approach thoughtout the Guru Granth Sahib (since, it is poetry), use examples in the world and society to demonstrate to people general rules. When Guru Granth Sahib calls us all brides waiting to be wedded to our true Husband, does that mean God is a male? No, it a is a poetic approach to explain a much deeper theory.</span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">To use the Rehat Maradya as an example of what the Gurus stood for is a joke. Some good may be there but it was created 200 years after the passing of Guru Gobind Singh Ji (correct me if I am wrong). So therefore it is just a set of opinions rather than fact.</span></p><p> </p><p> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'">EDIT: to clarify, I am not criticising those who follow a rehat maradya but I am raising the question regarding the necesscity as the Gurus did not invent them, they often present a narrow view of a Sikh whereas history and scripture tells another story. We have Muslims and Hindus writing in the Guru Granth Sahib, traditionally Sufis performing kirtan in the Gurdwara (with just a topi,not even a rumaal sometimes!) Therefore following a maradya does not mean one will merge with Waheguru, and not following a maradya does not mean one cannot can merge with Waheguru. It's about the relationship one establishes with God.</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="CaramelChocolate, post: 132901, member: 228"] [FONT=Arial]Also the whole argument that soul_jyot has POSTED (not even their own words) is flawed. It begins the argument based on the idea that homosexuality is based upon sex (it is even written there!). The argument uses lust as a disproval of homosexuality. When Guru Granth Sahib Jee mentions lust, let's see the type of lust that is mentioned:[/FONT] [SIZE=1][FONT=AnmolUniPr][COLOR=black]ਕਾਮਵੰਤ [COLOR=black]ਕਾਮੀ ਬਹੁ ਨਾਰੀ ਪਰ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਜੋਹ ਨ ਚੂਕੈ ॥[/COLOR][/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black][COLOR=black]The lustful, lecherous[/COLOR] man desires many women, and he never stops peeking into the homes of others. - 672[/COLOR][/SIZE] [SIZE=1]ਜਗੁ ਤ੍ਰਿਅ ਜਿਤੁ ਕਾਮਣਿ ਹਿਤਕਾਰੀ ॥[/SIZE] [SIZE=1][COLOR=black]The men of the world are [FONT=Arial]conquered by [COLOR=black]woman;[/COLOR] they love the ladies. - 412[/FONT][/COLOR][/SIZE] [URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਾਮੀ"][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਕਾਮੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪੁਰਖ"][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਪੁਰਖ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਕਾਮਨੀ"][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਕਾਮਨੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][URL="http://www.srigranth.org/servlet/gurbani.dictionary?Param=ਪਿਆਰੀ"][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]ਪਿਆਰੀ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT][/URL][FONT=Arial][SIZE=1][COLOR=black]॥ [/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=1][FONT=Arial][COLOR=black]and the sexually promiscuous man who loves women and sex, -1164[/COLOR][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial]Heterosexual lust! There is a common approach thoughtout the Guru Granth Sahib (since, it is poetry), use examples in the world and society to demonstrate to people general rules. When Guru Granth Sahib calls us all brides waiting to be wedded to our true Husband, does that mean God is a male? No, it a is a poetic approach to explain a much deeper theory.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial]To use the Rehat Maradya as an example of what the Gurus stood for is a joke. Some good may be there but it was created 200 years after the passing of Guru Gobind Singh Ji (correct me if I am wrong). So therefore it is just a set of opinions rather than fact.[/FONT] [FONT=Arial][/FONT] [FONT=Arial]EDIT: to clarify, I am not criticising those who follow a rehat maradya but I am raising the question regarding the necesscity as the Gurus did not invent them, they often present a narrow view of a Sikh whereas history and scripture tells another story. We have Muslims and Hindus writing in the Guru Granth Sahib, traditionally Sufis performing kirtan in the Gurdwara (with just a topi,not even a rumaal sometimes!) Therefore following a maradya does not mean one will merge with Waheguru, and not following a maradya does not mean one cannot can merge with Waheguru. It's about the relationship one establishes with God.[/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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