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<blockquote data-quote="Aisha" data-source="post: 178689" data-attributes="member: 18783"><p>Thank you for the replies everyone! I'm glad I posted my questions on here, I couldn't have asked for a better response <img src="/images/smilies/whatsapp/wah.png" class="smilie" loading="lazy" alt=":wah:" title="Wah :wah:" data-shortname=":wah:" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p>And sorry I didn't post sooner! I typed up a reply a few days ago but it didn't show up on here and when I went back to the old page, it was gone :02: So I will try this again!</p><p></p><p>I am just going to go through some of the things that stuck out the most for me and comment on them.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>So this has something to do with Sikhism accepting that there are many paths to the same destination right? Like I have never personally met a Sikh who was even semi-religious say that this is the only path the salvation, so I can understand why there may be teachings from other religions incorporated into Sikhi.</p><p></p><p>The way I understand it, and correct me if I am wrong, Sikhi believes that the core of every religion in the world is divine worship, which belongs alone to the supreme creator of the universe, and everything else- fasts, pilgrimages, rituals etc... are unnecessary dimensions that only clog pipes, cause confusion and ultimately dilute the purity of the original message.</p><p></p><p>So to me, Sikhism is a religion that has peeled off the outside cultural layers that are present in so many of the world's other monotheistic faiths and instead focuses solely on revering the divine ruler of the cosmos. (No wonder Sikhi is so often at odds with Punjabi culture!).</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This is the part that always stumps me and if I had to guess, most other people who explore Sikhi as well. You mentioned that Islam offers very straightforward, very easy to understand answers to most questions people have about life and what follows it. I agree. This is largely due to the fact that the concept of God (Allah) in Islam is not difficult to understand. If you read the Qur'an you'll see that Allah is very much made out to be like a person- he has thoughts, feelings/emotions and opinions and often times acts upon them by intervening in human affairs. He will support one group of people over another, punish those He perceives to be wrongdoers by sending earthquakes/hurricanes etc... and reward people when he feels that they deserve it. The Qur'an is a book of commandments. Most everything in it is easy to comprehend and not up for debate. I always imagine it to be that the Universe is a glass dome and Allah is the external observer. And that's the way most other people perceive Him as well.</p><p></p><p>Waheguru is different. He is present everywhere and in everything. He is not separate from his creation but rather an integral part of it. I get that.</p><p></p><p>What I don't get is what I am supposed to imagine when my eyes are closed and I am praying. That probably sounded stupid but here is what I mean: when I pray to Allah, I know that I am speaking to a divine entity sitting on a throne somewhere beyond heaven. I know He is up there, somewhere, detached from the rest of us, looking down at me and listening to what I am saying. Even though Allah does not have a physical form, most Muslims I know (myself included) do come up with some sort of a mental image for what we think he may look like when we pray. It isn't to disrespect him or anything, it is just easier to concentrate that way.</p><p></p><p>I have tried to pray to Waheguru before. But I don't think that Waheguru is sitting on a throne anywhere (right?). He is within us and everything else. He is not detached. I cannot come up with an image of a person/thing when I close my eyes. I would just like to know what all of you picture in your minds when you pray.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p>Thank you, I will have a look!</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p>No, don't worry, it was wonderful <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay I get it, God is in all means that everything is equally worthy of respect, not that everything is worthy of worship.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I actually asked about the ego to my BF the other day, he gave a similar response to yours. What he said was that ego makes you think that you are superior to others and that you are somehow more important. Basically, you are placing yourself on a pedestal above others. When you eliminate your ego, you realize that although you yourself are a unique individual with your own personality, history and experiences, you still emerged from the same source as everyone else around you and thus are no more valuable than anyone else. Sort of like a tree can have a hundred different branches but they are still attached to the same foundation. And then you begin to understand that branches like you come and go, but the tree (God, the source, the sustainer) is the only thing that truly exists. I take it that's what you meant as well? That's how I read your post.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thanks for the link! I will surely have a read.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Okay, like BlazinSikh Ji said.</p><p> </p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>This part I do not fully understand. Are you trying to say that the concept of prayer does not exist in your religion and that instead the Sikhi counterpart is Simran? If so, does this also mean that Waheguru does not answer prayers or give us what we desire in this life? Growing up I was always told that if I wanted something, I should make dua to Allah and if my intentions are good, I would get it. Does a similar concept of "ask and thou shall receive" exist in Sikhi?</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>At the Gurdwara I go to, every Sunday at around 7 pm, the entire sangat in the prayer hall sits cross legged together and chants "Waheguru", led by the people up at the front with the microphones and musical instruments (sorry I don't know what they're called!) for about an hour. I enjoy it but have also been told that Simran is supposed to be done silently for best results. Haven't tried that yet.</p><p> </p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p> </p><p></p><p>This sounds like what Ishan Ji posted:</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It seems like eliminating ego is a very big part of the religion. Everyone has brought it up!</p><p></p><p>But I do understand what you are trying to say. When people start making themselves the center of everything in life and develop the delusion that the universe revolves around them, it opens the door for arrogance and abuse to overwhelm their being and drive them away from everyone they ever loved. I have seen it with my own eyes.</p><p></p><p>""From dust we came, and to dust we will return."</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thank you!! I am a huge science geek and really enjoyed that video! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big Grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> I find it really fascinating how the universe behaves like an orchestra in perfect synchrony. And that isn't a metaphor either. There is a universal frequency that all living beings can identify with. Nature is continuously producing music that we can't even hear. More to do with the "we are all from the same source" bit from before. I never considered that it could possibly tie in with Sikhi. I will definitely dig a bit deeper into this.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Everything else had already been said but your explanation for this point was just lovely. Thank you.</p><p></p><p>A few things though, are humans the only life forms capable of purification and reunion with Waheguru or is the policy inclusive of other life forms as well? And as for reincarnation, does your ensuing form depend on your actions in this life or does everyone have to go to the "back of the line"? What I mean is, I always imagined reincarnation to be like a ladder- lowest life form at the bottom, humans at the top. Each step up is better than the one underneath. But if you are a human (at the top), and you don't merge with Waheguru after death, are you automatically going to the bottom of the latter, or does it have to do with how successful you were in this life at controlling the 5 evils et al?</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Talk about putting it in perspective! Great post!! Oh and thank you for using the Guru Granth Sahib Ji as a reference <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">You know, I've never had a Sikh say to me "Sikhi is the true path because science is only now just starting to understand what Gurbani revealed hundreds of years ago!". But that phrase is quite common among Christians and Muslims (substitute Christianity or Islam for Sikhi). Why is this? Because it sounds like Sikhi is a very scientific religion but a lot of people, including Sikhs, don't know about the science behind the teachings.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">That reminds me a quote I came across once, that mentioned how we are all the same being living life from a different perspective. Pretty deep stuff.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">The tricky bit for me though is, the dream analogy gives the impression that nothing is actually real, including us. The people in our dreams don't actually exist. And they only "merge" back into us when we wake up. But it sounds to me like Waheguru is always going to be "sleeping"- that is, the illusion of the universe is never going to disappear. Doesn't Waheguru need to wake up for us to return to him/her?</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Thank you!</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">I like that last bit! Thank you for your post, it was great, and may I say, you look really pretty in blue :07:</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">This entire thing brings one more question to mind: reading all your replies and also going by what I know, it does not at all sound like to me that Allah and Waheguru are the same being. They are actually polar opposites when it comes to things like punishment, reward and the purpose of life. But Sikhi says they are the same, just they have different names. How is that so? There may be some similarities but I think they are overshadowed by the differences.</span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue"></span></p><p><span style="color: Blue">Thank you to everyone that posted once again! Sorry I couldn't reply to everyone, I just wanted to get the main points addressed and think that I have. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh!</span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Aisha, post: 178689, member: 18783"] Thank you for the replies everyone! I'm glad I posted my questions on here, I couldn't have asked for a better response :wah: And sorry I didn't post sooner! I typed up a reply a few days ago but it didn't show up on here and when I went back to the old page, it was gone :02: So I will try this again! I am just going to go through some of the things that stuck out the most for me and comment on them. So this has something to do with Sikhism accepting that there are many paths to the same destination right? Like I have never personally met a Sikh who was even semi-religious say that this is the only path the salvation, so I can understand why there may be teachings from other religions incorporated into Sikhi. The way I understand it, and correct me if I am wrong, Sikhi believes that the core of every religion in the world is divine worship, which belongs alone to the supreme creator of the universe, and everything else- fasts, pilgrimages, rituals etc... are unnecessary dimensions that only clog pipes, cause confusion and ultimately dilute the purity of the original message. So to me, Sikhism is a religion that has peeled off the outside cultural layers that are present in so many of the world's other monotheistic faiths and instead focuses solely on revering the divine ruler of the cosmos. (No wonder Sikhi is so often at odds with Punjabi culture!). This is the part that always stumps me and if I had to guess, most other people who explore Sikhi as well. You mentioned that Islam offers very straightforward, very easy to understand answers to most questions people have about life and what follows it. I agree. This is largely due to the fact that the concept of God (Allah) in Islam is not difficult to understand. If you read the Qur'an you'll see that Allah is very much made out to be like a person- he has thoughts, feelings/emotions and opinions and often times acts upon them by intervening in human affairs. He will support one group of people over another, punish those He perceives to be wrongdoers by sending earthquakes/hurricanes etc... and reward people when he feels that they deserve it. The Qur'an is a book of commandments. Most everything in it is easy to comprehend and not up for debate. I always imagine it to be that the Universe is a glass dome and Allah is the external observer. And that's the way most other people perceive Him as well. Waheguru is different. He is present everywhere and in everything. He is not separate from his creation but rather an integral part of it. I get that. What I don't get is what I am supposed to imagine when my eyes are closed and I am praying. That probably sounded stupid but here is what I mean: when I pray to Allah, I know that I am speaking to a divine entity sitting on a throne somewhere beyond heaven. I know He is up there, somewhere, detached from the rest of us, looking down at me and listening to what I am saying. Even though Allah does not have a physical form, most Muslims I know (myself included) do come up with some sort of a mental image for what we think he may look like when we pray. It isn't to disrespect him or anything, it is just easier to concentrate that way. I have tried to pray to Waheguru before. But I don't think that Waheguru is sitting on a throne anywhere (right?). He is within us and everything else. He is not detached. I cannot come up with an image of a person/thing when I close my eyes. I would just like to know what all of you picture in your minds when you pray. Thank you, I will have a look! No, don't worry, it was wonderful ;) Okay I get it, God is in all means that everything is equally worthy of respect, not that everything is worthy of worship. I actually asked about the ego to my BF the other day, he gave a similar response to yours. What he said was that ego makes you think that you are superior to others and that you are somehow more important. Basically, you are placing yourself on a pedestal above others. When you eliminate your ego, you realize that although you yourself are a unique individual with your own personality, history and experiences, you still emerged from the same source as everyone else around you and thus are no more valuable than anyone else. Sort of like a tree can have a hundred different branches but they are still attached to the same foundation. And then you begin to understand that branches like you come and go, but the tree (God, the source, the sustainer) is the only thing that truly exists. I take it that's what you meant as well? That's how I read your post. Thanks for the link! I will surely have a read. Okay, like BlazinSikh Ji said. This part I do not fully understand. Are you trying to say that the concept of prayer does not exist in your religion and that instead the Sikhi counterpart is Simran? If so, does this also mean that Waheguru does not answer prayers or give us what we desire in this life? Growing up I was always told that if I wanted something, I should make dua to Allah and if my intentions are good, I would get it. Does a similar concept of "ask and thou shall receive" exist in Sikhi? At the Gurdwara I go to, every Sunday at around 7 pm, the entire sangat in the prayer hall sits cross legged together and chants "Waheguru", led by the people up at the front with the microphones and musical instruments (sorry I don't know what they're called!) for about an hour. I enjoy it but have also been told that Simran is supposed to be done silently for best results. Haven't tried that yet. This sounds like what Ishan Ji posted: It seems like eliminating ego is a very big part of the religion. Everyone has brought it up! But I do understand what you are trying to say. When people start making themselves the center of everything in life and develop the delusion that the universe revolves around them, it opens the door for arrogance and abuse to overwhelm their being and drive them away from everyone they ever loved. I have seen it with my own eyes. ""From dust we came, and to dust we will return." Thank you!! I am a huge science geek and really enjoyed that video! :D I find it really fascinating how the universe behaves like an orchestra in perfect synchrony. And that isn't a metaphor either. There is a universal frequency that all living beings can identify with. Nature is continuously producing music that we can't even hear. More to do with the "we are all from the same source" bit from before. I never considered that it could possibly tie in with Sikhi. I will definitely dig a bit deeper into this. Everything else had already been said but your explanation for this point was just lovely. Thank you. A few things though, are humans the only life forms capable of purification and reunion with Waheguru or is the policy inclusive of other life forms as well? And as for reincarnation, does your ensuing form depend on your actions in this life or does everyone have to go to the "back of the line"? What I mean is, I always imagined reincarnation to be like a ladder- lowest life form at the bottom, humans at the top. Each step up is better than the one underneath. But if you are a human (at the top), and you don't merge with Waheguru after death, are you automatically going to the bottom of the latter, or does it have to do with how successful you were in this life at controlling the 5 evils et al? Talk about putting it in perspective! Great post!! Oh and thank you for using the Guru Granth Sahib Ji as a reference ;) [COLOR="Blue"] You know, I've never had a Sikh say to me "Sikhi is the true path because science is only now just starting to understand what Gurbani revealed hundreds of years ago!". But that phrase is quite common among Christians and Muslims (substitute Christianity or Islam for Sikhi). Why is this? Because it sounds like Sikhi is a very scientific religion but a lot of people, including Sikhs, don't know about the science behind the teachings. That reminds me a quote I came across once, that mentioned how we are all the same being living life from a different perspective. Pretty deep stuff. The tricky bit for me though is, the dream analogy gives the impression that nothing is actually real, including us. The people in our dreams don't actually exist. And they only "merge" back into us when we wake up. But it sounds to me like Waheguru is always going to be "sleeping"- that is, the illusion of the universe is never going to disappear. Doesn't Waheguru need to wake up for us to return to him/her? Thank you! I like that last bit! Thank you for your post, it was great, and may I say, you look really pretty in blue :07: This entire thing brings one more question to mind: reading all your replies and also going by what I know, it does not at all sound like to me that Allah and Waheguru are the same being. They are actually polar opposites when it comes to things like punishment, reward and the purpose of life. But Sikhi says they are the same, just they have different names. How is that so? There may be some similarities but I think they are overshadowed by the differences. Thank you to everyone that posted once again! Sorry I couldn't reply to everyone, I just wanted to get the main points addressed and think that I have. Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh![/color] [/QUOTE]
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