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A Discussion Of McLeod And The Kartarpur Bir Controversy: A Second Look
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<blockquote data-quote="vsgrewal48895" data-source="post: 97496" data-attributes="member: 8024"><p><strong>Guru Arjan’s Autobiographical hymns regarding his son;</strong></p><p> </p><p>Guru Arjan wrote about 30 full Sabds regarding Hargobind his only son and the one in question has only two lines which do not end in the name of Nanak. Is there any other example where Guru Arjan has written a Sabd ending with out the name of the Nanak? Here are two Sabds e.g. in favor of his son;</p><p> </p><p><strong>On his Birthday in Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 396;</strong></p><p> </p><p>ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਾਚੈ ਦੀਆ ਭੇਜਿ ॥ ਚਿਰੁ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਸੰਜੋਗਿ ॥ ਉਦਰੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਆਇ ਕੀਆ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥ ਮਾਤਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਗਾਸੁ ॥ ਜੰਮਿਆ ਪੂਤੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰ ਕਾ ॥ ਦਸੀ ਮਾਸੀ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਲੀਆ ॥ ਮਿਟਿਆ ਸੋਗੁ ਮਹਾ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥੀਆ ॥ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਸਖੀ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ ਸਾਚੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥ ਵਧੀ ਵੇਲਿ ਬਹੁ ਪੀੜੀ ਚਾਲੀ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੰਧਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ॥ ਭਏ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਏਕ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਊਪਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਣੁ ॥ ਬੁਲਾਇਆ ਬੋਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਭਾਣਿ ॥ ਗੁਝੀ ਛੰਨੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਾਤ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤੁਠਾ ਕੀਨੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥</p><p> </p><p><em>Saṯgur sācẖai ḏī▫ā bẖej. Cẖir jīvan upji▫ā sanjog. Uḏrai māhi ā▫e kī▫ā nivās. Māṯā kai man bahuṯ bigās. Jammi▫ā pūṯ bẖagaṯ govinḏ kā. Pargati▫ā sabẖ mėh likẖi▫ā ḏẖur kā. Ḏasī māsī hukam bālak janam lī▫ā. Miti▫ā sog mahā anand thī▫ā. Gurbāṇī sakẖī anand gāvai. Sācẖe sāhib kai man bẖāvai. vaḏẖī vel baho pīṛī cẖālī. Ḏẖaram kalā har banḏẖ bahālī. Man cẖinḏi▫ā saṯgurū ḏivā▫i▫ā. Bẖa▫e acẖinṯ ek liv lā▫i▫ā. Ji▫o bālak piṯā ūpar kare baho māṇ. Bulā▫i▫ā bolai gur kai bẖāṇ. Gujẖī cẖẖannī nāhī bāṯ. Gur Nānak ṯuṯẖā kīnī ḏāṯ.</em> </p><p> </p><p>The True Guru has truly given a child. The long-lived one has been born to this destiny.</p><p>He came to acquire a home in the womb, and his mother's heart is so very glad. A son is born - a devotee of the Creator of the Universe. This pre-ordained destiny has been revealed to all. In the tenth month, by the God's Order, the baby has been born. Sorrow is dispelled, and great joy has ensued. The companions blissfully sing the songs of the Guru's Bani. This is pleasing to the Eternal Akal Purkh. The vine has grown, and shall last for many generations. The Power of the Righteousness has been firmly established by the God. That which my mind wishes for, the True Guru has granted. I have become carefree, and I fix my attention on the One Akal Purkh. As the child places so much faith in his father, I speak as it pleases the Guru to have me speak.This is not a hidden secret; Guru Nanak, greatly pleased, has bestowed this gift.-----Guru Arjan, Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 396</p><p> </p><p><strong>2nd Sabd when Hargobind was afflicted by small pox’</strong></p><p> </p><p>ਮੇਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਰਖਵਾਲਾ ਹੋਆ ॥ ਧਾਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਹਾਥ ਦੇ ਰਾਖਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਗੋਵਿਦੁ ਨਵਾ ਨਿਰੋਆ ॥ ਤਾਪੁ ਗਇਆ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਆਪਿ ਮਿਟਾਇਆ ਜਨ ਕੀ ਲਾਜ ਰਖਾਈ ॥ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਫਲ ਪਾਏ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਂਈ ॥ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੋਵੈ ਸਵਾਰੇ ਹਮਰਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਅਵਗੁਣੁ ਨ ਬੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਅਟਲ ਬਚਨੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਫਲ ਕਰੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਧਾਰਿਆ ॥</p><p> </p><p><em>Merā saṯgur rakẖvālā ho▫ā. Ḏẖār kirpā parabẖ hāth ḏe rākẖi▫ā har goviḏ navā niro▫ā. Ŧāp ga▫i▫ā parabẖ āp mitā▫i▫ā jan kī lāj rakẖā▫ī. Sāḏẖsangaṯ ṯe sabẖ fal pā▫e saṯgur kai bal jāʼn▫ī. Halaṯ palaṯ parabẖ ḏovai savāre hamrā guṇ avguṇ na bīcẖāri▫ā. Atal bacẖan Nānak gur ṯerā safal kar masṯak ḏẖāri▫ā.</em></p><p> </p><p>My True Guru is my Savior and Protector. Showering us with Its Mercy and Grace, God extended Its Hand, and saved Hargobind, who is now safe and secure. The fever is gone - God It self eradicated it, and preserved the honor of Its servant. I have obtained all blessings from the Company of the Holy; I am a sacrifice to the True Guru. God has saved me, both here and hereafter. God has not taken my merits and demerits into account. Your Word is eternal, O Guru Nanak; You placed Your Hand of blessing upon my forehead. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Sorath, AGGS, Page, 620</p><p> </p><p>I do not want my name in head lines or media but just asked a question-should there be no solid reply or the thread should be closed as unanswered. I had already gave my answer that the Sabd in Banno Bir is complete describing the puberty ceremony of Guru Arjan’s son. </p><p> </p><p>Rituals were being followed at that time as there was no way Gurus could have eradicated the centuries old customs in an instant. There is nothing here to get upset about it-just needs an open mind tyo accept.</p><p> </p><p>Respectfully Submitted,</p><p> </p><p>Virinder S. Grewal</p><p>Williamston, MI</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="vsgrewal48895, post: 97496, member: 8024"] [B]Guru Arjan’s Autobiographical hymns regarding his son;[/B] Guru Arjan wrote about 30 full Sabds regarding Hargobind his only son and the one in question has only two lines which do not end in the name of Nanak. Is there any other example where Guru Arjan has written a Sabd ending with out the name of the Nanak? Here are two Sabds e.g. in favor of his son; [B]On his Birthday in Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 396;[/B] ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਸਾਚੈ ਦੀਆ ਭੇਜਿ ॥ ਚਿਰੁ ਜੀਵਨੁ ਉਪਜਿਆ ਸੰਜੋਗਿ ॥ ਉਦਰੈ ਮਾਹਿ ਆਇ ਕੀਆ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥ ਮਾਤਾ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਿਗਾਸੁ ॥ ਜੰਮਿਆ ਪੂਤੁ ਭਗਤੁ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕਾ ॥ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਿਆ ਸਭ ਮਹਿ ਲਿਖਿਆ ਧੁਰ ਕਾ ॥ ਦਸੀ ਮਾਸੀ ਹੁਕਮਿ ਬਾਲਕ ਜਨਮੁ ਲੀਆ ॥ ਮਿਟਿਆ ਸੋਗੁ ਮਹਾ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਥੀਆ ॥ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਸਖੀ ਅਨੰਦੁ ਗਾਵੈ ॥ ਸਾਚੇ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਕੈ ਮਨਿ ਭਾਵੈ ॥ ਵਧੀ ਵੇਲਿ ਬਹੁ ਪੀੜੀ ਚਾਲੀ ॥ ਧਰਮ ਕਲਾ ਹਰਿ ਬੰਧਿ ਬਹਾਲੀ ॥ ਮਨ ਚਿੰਦਿਆ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਦਿਵਾਇਆ ॥ ਭਏ ਅਚਿੰਤ ਏਕ ਲਿਵ ਲਾਇਆ ॥ ਜਿਉ ਬਾਲਕੁ ਪਿਤਾ ਊਪਰਿ ਕਰੇ ਬਹੁ ਮਾਣੁ ॥ ਬੁਲਾਇਆ ਬੋਲੈ ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਭਾਣਿ ॥ ਗੁਝੀ ਛੰਨੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਬਾਤ ॥ ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤੁਠਾ ਕੀਨੀ ਦਾਤਿ ॥ [I]Saṯgur sācẖai ḏī▫ā bẖej. Cẖir jīvan upji▫ā sanjog. Uḏrai māhi ā▫e kī▫ā nivās. Māṯā kai man bahuṯ bigās. Jammi▫ā pūṯ bẖagaṯ govinḏ kā. Pargati▫ā sabẖ mėh likẖi▫ā ḏẖur kā. Ḏasī māsī hukam bālak janam lī▫ā. Miti▫ā sog mahā anand thī▫ā. Gurbāṇī sakẖī anand gāvai. Sācẖe sāhib kai man bẖāvai. vaḏẖī vel baho pīṛī cẖālī. Ḏẖaram kalā har banḏẖ bahālī. Man cẖinḏi▫ā saṯgurū ḏivā▫i▫ā. Bẖa▫e acẖinṯ ek liv lā▫i▫ā. Ji▫o bālak piṯā ūpar kare baho māṇ. Bulā▫i▫ā bolai gur kai bẖāṇ. Gujẖī cẖẖannī nāhī bāṯ. Gur Nānak ṯuṯẖā kīnī ḏāṯ.[/I] The True Guru has truly given a child. The long-lived one has been born to this destiny. He came to acquire a home in the womb, and his mother's heart is so very glad. A son is born - a devotee of the Creator of the Universe. This pre-ordained destiny has been revealed to all. In the tenth month, by the God's Order, the baby has been born. Sorrow is dispelled, and great joy has ensued. The companions blissfully sing the songs of the Guru's Bani. This is pleasing to the Eternal Akal Purkh. The vine has grown, and shall last for many generations. The Power of the Righteousness has been firmly established by the God. That which my mind wishes for, the True Guru has granted. I have become carefree, and I fix my attention on the One Akal Purkh. As the child places so much faith in his father, I speak as it pleases the Guru to have me speak.This is not a hidden secret; Guru Nanak, greatly pleased, has bestowed this gift.-----Guru Arjan, Raag Asa, AGGS, Page, 396 [B]2nd Sabd when Hargobind was afflicted by small pox’[/B] ਮੇਰਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਰਖਵਾਲਾ ਹੋਆ ॥ ਧਾਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਹਾਥ ਦੇ ਰਾਖਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਗੋਵਿਦੁ ਨਵਾ ਨਿਰੋਆ ॥ ਤਾਪੁ ਗਇਆ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਆਪਿ ਮਿਟਾਇਆ ਜਨ ਕੀ ਲਾਜ ਰਖਾਈ ॥ ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਤੇ ਸਭ ਫਲ ਪਾਏ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਬਲਿ ਜਾਂਈ ॥ ਹਲਤੁ ਪਲਤੁ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਦੋਵੈ ਸਵਾਰੇ ਹਮਰਾ ਗੁਣੁ ਅਵਗੁਣੁ ਨ ਬੀਚਾਰਿਆ ॥ ਅਟਲ ਬਚਨੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਫਲ ਕਰੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਧਾਰਿਆ ॥ [I]Merā saṯgur rakẖvālā ho▫ā. Ḏẖār kirpā parabẖ hāth ḏe rākẖi▫ā har goviḏ navā niro▫ā. Ŧāp ga▫i▫ā parabẖ āp mitā▫i▫ā jan kī lāj rakẖā▫ī. Sāḏẖsangaṯ ṯe sabẖ fal pā▫e saṯgur kai bal jāʼn▫ī. Halaṯ palaṯ parabẖ ḏovai savāre hamrā guṇ avguṇ na bīcẖāri▫ā. Atal bacẖan Nānak gur ṯerā safal kar masṯak ḏẖāri▫ā.[/I] My True Guru is my Savior and Protector. Showering us with Its Mercy and Grace, God extended Its Hand, and saved Hargobind, who is now safe and secure. The fever is gone - God It self eradicated it, and preserved the honor of Its servant. I have obtained all blessings from the Company of the Holy; I am a sacrifice to the True Guru. God has saved me, both here and hereafter. God has not taken my merits and demerits into account. Your Word is eternal, O Guru Nanak; You placed Your Hand of blessing upon my forehead. -----Guru Arjan, Raag Sorath, AGGS, Page, 620 I do not want my name in head lines or media but just asked a question-should there be no solid reply or the thread should be closed as unanswered. I had already gave my answer that the Sabd in Banno Bir is complete describing the puberty ceremony of Guru Arjan’s son. Rituals were being followed at that time as there was no way Gurus could have eradicated the centuries old customs in an instant. There is nothing here to get upset about it-just needs an open mind tyo accept. Respectfully Submitted, Virinder S. Grewal Williamston, MI [/QUOTE]
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