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2+2=5: A Case For Agnostic-Atheism
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<blockquote data-quote="Sinister" data-source="post: 121932" data-attributes="member: 2684"><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Well for someone who understands philosophy I would expect more than just a description of 'pointless'. (universal causation deems that impossible)</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">But what you say makes no sense what so ever.</span></span></p><p><span style="font-size: 12px"><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><?"urn:<img src=" /></span></span> </p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Because if a logical god is pointless, so is logic. And anyone can just reverse your argument and argue that logic is pointless and be just as right.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Of co{censored}, in a human biological system everything (belief) is dependant upon meaning and purpose, which are both derived and dependant upon the process of emotional satisfaction/well-being and survival/reproduction.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Therefore a variable, like god, is innately constructed within society, just like logic because they both play a role in constructing purpose. Read Rene Descartes “Meditations of First Philosophy-Sixth Meditation” which was a treatise written in 1600’s, in which he pondered the innateness of god:</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">‘Descartes asks himself where he received the idea of God. He “believes” (emotional basis) that his idea of God was innate in him just as the idea of him is innate in him”. <span style="color: black">Descartes dubs this the pre-containment principle. He then goes on to say that all things must have a cause and that all causes may affect another thing, (deemed the principle of universal causation). So using all this Descartes states that he has an idea of God, and the only possible cause for this idea is God himself, because only God contains enough formal reality to cause the idea with that much objective reality.</span>’ (Cartesian circle)</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Morality, a form of logical analysis is essential for survival. Religion is an exercise in morality that may just improve emotional self-being and chance of survival. (which would aptly explain the existence and long term perpetuation of such beliefs in an omnipresent deity…and the political organization of religion)</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Pointless things are redundant and thus are energetically unfavorable to be perpetuated in a social medium. The perpetuation of pointless in society is not only detrimental/counterproductive one could logically argue that it is impossible and it would be rooted out through an evolutionary process such as natural selection. (or perhaps never have even come into existence)</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">The woman who looks at tea leaves to determine the future is illogical or maybe logical to others (emotion based)? But she is not pointless.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Likewise a logical god is not pointless. And god is innate.</span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Again </span></span></p><p></p><p><span style="font-family: 'Arial'"><span style="font-size: 12px">Does the existence of truth require belief?</span></span></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Sinister, post: 121932, member: 2684"] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Well for someone who understands philosophy I would expect more than just a description of 'pointless'. (universal causation deems that impossible)[/SIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]But what you say makes no sense what so ever.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial]<?"urn:<img src=" />[/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Because if a logical god is pointless, so is logic. And anyone can just reverse your argument and argue that logic is pointless and be just as right.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Of co{censored}, in a human biological system everything (belief) is dependant upon meaning and purpose, which are both derived and dependant upon the process of emotional satisfaction/well-being and survival/reproduction.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Therefore a variable, like god, is innately constructed within society, just like logic because they both play a role in constructing purpose. Read Rene Descartes “Meditations of First Philosophy-Sixth Meditation” which was a treatise written in 1600’s, in which he pondered the innateness of god:[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]‘Descartes asks himself where he received the idea of God. He “believes” (emotional basis) that his idea of God was innate in him just as the idea of him is innate in him”. [COLOR=black]Descartes dubs this the pre-containment principle. He then goes on to say that all things must have a cause and that all causes may affect another thing, (deemed the principle of universal causation). So using all this Descartes states that he has an idea of God, and the only possible cause for this idea is God himself, because only God contains enough formal reality to cause the idea with that much objective reality.[/COLOR]’ (Cartesian circle)[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Morality, a form of logical analysis is essential for survival. Religion is an exercise in morality that may just improve emotional self-being and chance of survival. (which would aptly explain the existence and long term perpetuation of such beliefs in an omnipresent deity…and the political organization of religion)[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Pointless things are redundant and thus are energetically unfavorable to be perpetuated in a social medium. The perpetuation of pointless in society is not only detrimental/counterproductive one could logically argue that it is impossible and it would be rooted out through an evolutionary process such as natural selection. (or perhaps never have even come into existence)[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]The woman who looks at tea leaves to determine the future is illogical or maybe logical to others (emotion based)? But she is not pointless.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Likewise a logical god is not pointless. And god is innate.[/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Again [/SIZE][/FONT] [SIZE=3][FONT=Arial][/FONT][/SIZE] [FONT=Arial][SIZE=3]Does the existence of truth require belief?[/SIZE][/FONT] [/QUOTE]
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