Yes, I was correct. It is one of those Sikhism vs Islam debates
well done einstein, i'm a Muslim with the username 'ChampionDebater3000' can really see how u came to the conclusion of an islamic/sikh debate. i'm not surprised that you needed to go through a whole "preliminary analysis" to figure that out. Your brain must be hurting. have a rest.
So the only reason why I am taking the time to do this is really for the benefit of young Sikhs who are dragged into these periodic episodes of Muslim "daweh" which is deliberately designed to mislead you and eventually demoralize you.
no u are paving and cementing into the minds of the young Sikhs how to read a debate (before it has even commenced!) paranoid and judgmental at the same time! allow the discussion to actually go into some depth at least, so that the truth may be seen by all, dont try and smear and distract the vision of people, allow them to judge for themselves who is more well informed. this shaytaani tactic was used by the disbelievers when Muhammad was revealing the Quran to the world, they would say he's lying! its magic! dont listen or he'll put you under a spell! one time a man was on his way to meet the Prophet of God when he was stopped and his head was filled with lies and nonsense on the intentions of the Messenger. The poor fool believed them and promised to stay away, he further put cotton buds in each ear to avoid hearing the revelation when if he entered the presence of the Messenger. But suddenly the man had a thought, "how did i allow other people decide for me who is speaking truth and who is speaking falsehood. He took out his ear buds, and as soon as he heard the revelation he converted." (because that is the effect of trut..it obliterates falsehood. you can run and hide behind people and events all day long....but the words of the Quran are true. so just like the disbelievers to the old man, u are filling peoples minds with lies and propaganda making sure that the Quran is the last book they read or study independently. how flimsy a mind is when it cant think for itself which is what u need from 'young Sikhs' for more brainwashing. you have so many misconceptions of Islam its unbeleievable. the best thing to do would be to forget everything you've heard and been told about Islam and seek it for urself. thats the only way you will know that the Quran is indeed God's word.
Why not? Well it is harder to prevail (in the debate) if you are on the defensive.
no the prevailer is the one who holds Truth. you claim to hold truth yet the truth you hold can't fight my (supposed) falsehood? howcome?
If it is not your religion, then don't bother to respond.
wow is this what Sikhism teaches about the 'open mind'. shouldn't one question ones beliefs or blindly follow? strange statement you make. all this retaliation is a clear sign of fear to me. you may claim you dont fear but i know u do.but you shouldn't fear the truth, if u believe what you believe you should be able to say yes and stand up to all questioners! hell and heaven in sikhism? i'll tell you all about it and i'll defend my beliefs also! but thats not the case because deep down i dont think anyone truly knows the Sikh stance on heaven and hell or doesn't want to know for whatever reason.
God in Sikhism does not issue commands. Nothing happens without His Hukam.
contradictory and confused statement. if God did not issue any commands then why keep a turban? ok so these are the commands of the Guru's? you listen to the command of men but not of God? i see.
but that is an unfortunate translation with a Western Judaeo Christian twist.
u lie. hukam means command and without God's command you wouldn't be reading this right now. y are u trying to twist and turn everything? u are fleeing from ur own book!
What you have to keep in mind is that the Sikh vision of the Almighty is one who is without hatred or enmity.
look what i found. looks like your 'Sikh vision' lacks any truth like much of ur other 'analysis'.
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ਜਮ ਦਰਿ ਬਧੇ ਮਾਰੀਅਹਿ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਭਾਇਆ ॥੨੧॥
जम दरि बधे मारीअहि नानक हरि भाइआ ॥२१॥
Jam ḏar baḏẖe mārī▫ah Nānak har bẖā▫i▫ā. ||21||
Bound and gagged at Death's door, they are beaten and punished; O Nanak, it pleases the Will of the Lord. ||21||
Guru Ram Das - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok
In Islam God is busy handing out rewards and punishments.
its clear to me how completely ignorant you are of your own religion and more importantly of Islam. dont you know that without Islam there would be no Sikhism? it burns inside i know.
not once in the Quran does it state that God is pleased by punishment. but it does in sggs. So which God do you believe in? one who likes punishing? i know i must have strung a nerve by now. U claim to believe in one God but you lie. the God of Islam is a different God to the one you claim to believe in...and you may say yes, but heres the truth, Allah is mentioned in the SGGS too.
In Islam it is said that God is most compassionate. So why did his followers make a point of torturing and burning Sufis
ok heres the main point between Sikh and Muslim dialogues, when men commit acts of crimes based on their own judgement, they cannot be ascribed to Islam or God, so when I see a sikh man drink i cant say look what sikhism teaches men to do! that would be really stupid and ignorant. if i do that knowingly then i fool myself...knowingly. and thats what your doing with Muslims and Islam. by running from the quran and its undeniable evidence u choose to look for faults in Muslims and in the Shariah (at the hands of evil men) and then push this blame onto God and Islam? turn away from all that...clear your mind and take the test...read the quran if u have any courage.
union with the Satguru was an idea enjoyed by many Sufis in Islam and it earned them torture and death.
yes union with Allah is the essence of Islam, you claim that sufi's 'used to enjoy this idea' when in fact this it is the essence of Islam, to submit and reconnect. which is still the case today. The first Sufi was Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) who gave knowledge to a selected few who then spread this knowledge and conquered the world. it is this same knowledge today that rests with the saints. Many have come into contact withvSufis and learnt great truths from them. you should know that.
why were those particular sufis killed? because people cannot handle the outward intoxicated expressions of union, when a sufi once said, "I am God" he was put to death for the people of lower spiritual stature could not understand the essence of the words. Sikhism is actually edited Sufism. but without the belief of Allah and His Messenger that's where the downfall lies.
I predict that very soon what you will read are screaming accusations against me for one or more of my many faults as a human being.
this is ur ego making sure that any remarks made by me are already expected and ur pride cannot be hurt. well its not my intention to hurt anyone, jus to debate on the topic of Heaven and Hell, but you guys are so afraid of us 'serial dawah people' lurking in the dark waiting to convert you haha! u scare urself. the truth is there to be read and understood by everyone. all young sikhs, if u need a mediator between your eyes and between your ears when the topic of islam is discussed then know that you are fleeing from the truth. if u claim to be brave then read the Quran and stand up to the tests Allah asks you if you are as strong as u say u are. these elders around you that tell you they know best dont know whats good for themselves nevermind u too. so keep an open mind and dont believe the hype. 9/11 was an inside job. look for yourself.
moderators will continue to autopsy this popular practice of daweh.
Don't feel bad. They actually give classes in it. At beginners, intermediate and advance levels , and advertise on the Internet.
whatever you say/do the word of God remains, your acknowledgment of its existence is missing. it's the fastest growing religion for a reason. SGGS speaks of God as a description. But the Quran is closer still. and a new Muslim would tell you this well. try opening up and speaking to some. step out of these boxes of fear constructed by the 'threat' of Islam to Sikhism.
many of ur comments show that shaytaan has already tricked you in building defenses around your senses against the Quran and His Messenger. but time will tell who was right and who was wrong. We Muslims invite you to debate and you run and flee from the topic and instead you throw stones because you dont have the real ammo necessary to defeat Islam in strength or size. Puffed up pride and a false ego will get you nowhere. Wars and history will not bring you no truth no matter how much you remember. if you want to know the truth about heaven and hell then read the quran. dont be afraid to, no matter what you hear or see from shaytaans friends. for God knows shaytaan hates Islam.
Quran 2:91 For when they are told, "Believe in what God has bestowed from on high," they reply, "We believe [only] in what has been bestowed on us"-and they deny the truth of everything else, although it be a truth confirming the one already in their possession. read the quran...Guru Nanak did.
u are afraid that if hell is real then you could be punished by God (a God that punishes..yes even in Sikhism - so all those times u insulted Islam and Muslims for worshipping a God that punishes u were speaking of the same God u are supposed to believe in.) You may say i am giving dawah and yes i am, in order to give the invitation or message diallogue has to ensue. but u are doing reverse dawah, another clever shaytaani trick which u may have been taught but unaware of. reverse proseletysing is a term i use for when you downgrade all religions but u're own. this is reverse proseletysing. and this site (or sikhs?) are experts at it. You haved fooled yourself and now you fool others but God knows best who is right and who is wrong.
and Randip Ji please grow up a little,
In your belief of heaven do you get lots of virgins there to look after you if you crash aeroplanes into buildings killing thousands of innocent people?
1984 was no joke. neither is 9/11 so show some respect. after all these years of believing and following u are lacking a mind...where is your reasoning? if u had an independant mind rather than being brainwashed you would know that 9/11 was an inside job.
وَمَا نُرْسِلُ الْمُرْسَلِينَ إِلَّا مُبَشِّرِينَ وَمُنذِرِينَ وَيُجَادِلُ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالْبَاطِلِ لِيُدْحِضُوا بِهِ الْحَقَّ وَاتَّخَذُوا آيَاتِي وَمَا أُنذِرُوا هُزُوًا (18:56)
Quran 18:56 But We send [Our] message-bearers only as heralds of glad tidings and as warners - whereas those who are bent on denying the truth contend [against them] with fallacious arguments, so as to render void the truth thereby, and to make My messages and warnings a target of their mockery.