Dare I say they are the Sikh version of Wahhabists? OMG
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Dare I say they are the Sikh version of Wahhabists? OMG
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Vaaran of Bhai Gurdas ji are very important to elaborate on Gurbani. These also talk about sikh history.
For example visit of Guru sahib to Mecca and Baghdad is written in that. So anyone casting aspersions
on such sikh compositions is someone who has strayed from sikh path. That is what these people are doing it.
For example visit of Guru sahib to Mecca and Baghdad is written in that. So anyone casting aspersions
on such sikh compositions is someone who has strayed from sikh path. That is what these people are doing it.
Its like the same old story...A guy went far 4 villages to buy a goat...paid money for goat...and 4 Thags made a plan to take that goat from him....one came on the way and told that are you fool...people pick goat on shoulder ...not a puppy (dog)...Guy replied no no its goat...Thag replied I think somebody fooled you and made you pay for goat in turn gave u a dog....
Guy continued to his way back home...after some time..second Thag countered him and said that..wow such a nice puppy...I think you love him very much...thats why u have piked up.....Guy got confused and said..this is goat...not dog.......Thag laughed at guy and went...
after some time third Thag countered him and said ..nice puppy...are you selling it....now this guy really started thinking.....am I fooled or not....but said no I am not selling it..and put the puppy down and not dragging the goat....continued his journey and was thinking...if this is puppy ..then villagers will laugh at me saying that you went to buy a goat and bought a puppy ..paying money for goat..... at last fourth Thag came on the way and said that same thing , this time guy handed over the goat to Thag....... those from Finland are like that guy and somebody is fooling them...
This is what these non sikhs are doing with Sikhs....since long time world is trying to finish Sikhs...but Khalsa is Pragatya....and once anything is Pragat...remains in world...never goes back...
"Satgur Nanak Pargatya...Miti Dhund Jag Chanank Howa"....
Guru Ji is here with us...he never went back....so how come Khalsa be extinct.........never...
Well I remembered from Katha by Giani Sant Singh Ji Maskeen...that whatever is precious...its rare and found in very less quantity in world...Say precious metal...plantinum and gold....but we find Iron everywhere...iron is not as precious as Plantinum and gold...same are Sikhs...Waheguru want to keep it precious...thats why we are less...
One more thing I remembered from his katha veechar...that those who suffered a lot ...flourished a lot.... most suffered were Jews...now Jews are are the richest community in the world...and second most suffered are Sikhs....Sikhs were poor...but today Sikhs are spreading everywhere...they are at high positions...flourishing ....
well one has to remember Guru everytime.......Waheguru Bhali kare.........
Chardi Kala............
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh... Inder Singh Ji...
I would like to say something...and I am sorry ..but in Ardaas we say 10 Paatshahi...not 10 Guru's...There was, and is..only and only one Guru...that's Guru Nanak Ji...and he was there in all 9 roops and now is in Dhan Dhan....Sri..Guru Granth Sahib Ji...
Bhul chuk di maafi ji...
Waheguru Kirpa Kare.........Barkataan Bakshe....
Chardi Kala.......
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa...Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh...Tejwant Singh Ji
how about our Guru saying it....
“Rehat Bina Neh Sikh Kahavey…Rehat Bina Dar Chottan Khawey” , “Rehni Rahey Soyi Sikh Mera…O Sahib ..Main Uska Chera”………..and what is first step of Rehat…
“Pratham Rehat Eh Jaan ..Khande Ki Pahul Chake”.
it doen't mean just have the Pahul and do nothing...SGGS Ji is along with it...one has to follow it.... those who doesn't follow SGGS Ji ...and is not a Sikh of Guru....Jagat guru....Sri Guru Nanak Ji...........
Bhul Chuk Maafi...........
Chardi Kala.......
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GillAUS ji,
Guru Fateh.
You write:
I beg to disagree with your above assertion. SGGS needs no aid from anyone especially Bahi Gurdas ji who had a Hindu mentality. SGGS is stand alone "Toolbox". IT gives us the tools how to breed goodness within.
Guru Nanak says in Japji:
"Gaviei suniei,munn rakhiei bahao, Dukh parHar sukh ghar lei jai"
In the above pauri and in many others one can find the aid/key to understand the philosophy of SGGS.
We chant Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji loudly because it is written in the poetic and musical form. This was a great idea by our visionary Gurus. By chanting and singing Gurbani loudly, one liberates oneself from the self created cocoons, one breaks the walls one has constructed around him/her. One bursts out of the self made bubble. Once this is done then our visionary Gurus tell us to study Gurbani so that we can understand it, put it into practice so that it can become our second nature which in result will help us elevate our level of normalcy. By understanding and then putting Gurbani into practice,what seemed impossible yesterday, becomes probable today and then with HIS grace- Nadar-, it ought to become a piece of cake the next day.
One can open the Guru Granth randomly on any page and find the inspiration, motivation, determination, perseverance and, last but not least, the acceptance of Hukam.
So, as you can see, SGGS needs no "Cliff notes".
Hence Guru Gobind Singh ji bestowed Guruship on SGGS. IT is our only GURU. Why would our GURU need an aid? Did other Gurus need that?
Something to ponder about.
Yes, it is said by many but there is no proof because the fact remains SGGS is complete and stand alone. The reason for this belief in my opinion is because Punjabi culture in ingrained with finding "facts" through second hand information. It is due to the heirarchial culture. Whatever our own elders or other elders say, we believe in it blindly. Guru Nanak eliminated the heirarchy starting with our second Guru Angad rather than his own son. The same concept continued and we had Guru Harkrishan as our 8th Guru. Elders can be wrong and are wrong many a times. There is nothing wrong with that.
What it teaches us as Sikhs is to seek for the first hand information on our own through SGGS, our only stand alone aidless GURU.
Tejwant Singh
Guru Fateh.
You write:
I beg to disagree with your above assertion. SGGS needs no aid from anyone especially Bahi Gurdas ji who had a Hindu mentality. SGGS is stand alone "Toolbox". IT gives us the tools how to breed goodness within.
Guru Nanak says in Japji:
"Gaviei suniei,munn rakhiei bahao, Dukh parHar sukh ghar lei jai"
In the above pauri and in many others one can find the aid/key to understand the philosophy of SGGS.
We chant Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji loudly because it is written in the poetic and musical form. This was a great idea by our visionary Gurus. By chanting and singing Gurbani loudly, one liberates oneself from the self created cocoons, one breaks the walls one has constructed around him/her. One bursts out of the self made bubble. Once this is done then our visionary Gurus tell us to study Gurbani so that we can understand it, put it into practice so that it can become our second nature which in result will help us elevate our level of normalcy. By understanding and then putting Gurbani into practice,what seemed impossible yesterday, becomes probable today and then with HIS grace- Nadar-, it ought to become a piece of cake the next day.
One can open the Guru Granth randomly on any page and find the inspiration, motivation, determination, perseverance and, last but not least, the acceptance of Hukam.
So, as you can see, SGGS needs no "Cliff notes".
Hence Guru Gobind Singh ji bestowed Guruship on SGGS. IT is our only GURU. Why would our GURU need an aid? Did other Gurus need that?
Something to ponder about.
Yes, it is said by many but there is no proof because the fact remains SGGS is complete and stand alone. The reason for this belief in my opinion is because Punjabi culture in ingrained with finding "facts" through second hand information. It is due to the heirarchial culture. Whatever our own elders or other elders say, we believe in it blindly. Guru Nanak eliminated the heirarchy starting with our second Guru Angad rather than his own son. The same concept continued and we had Guru Harkrishan as our 8th Guru. Elders can be wrong and are wrong many a times. There is nothing wrong with that.
What it teaches us as Sikhs is to seek for the first hand information on our own through SGGS, our only stand alone aidless GURU.
Tejwant Singh
For those who believe in Kathas/Suraj Parkash or other stories of Gurus;
Suraj Parkash, Vol 1
Anecdote; One
Sakhi # 154. Guru Ji Di Seva, Page, 543
Abstract from Page 546;
ਸਭਤੋਂਹੋਰਔਖੀਸੇਵਾਸੀ੍ਗੁਰੂਔਗਦਦੇਵਜੀਦੇਔਨਗੂਠੇਨੂੰਮੂੰਹਵਿਚਰਖਕੇਬੈਠਣਾ॥ ਸੀ੍ਗੁਰੂਔਗਦਦੇਵਜੀਦੇਚਰਨਦੇਔਗੂਠੇਉਤੇਜ਼ਖਮਸੀ॥ ਜਿੰਨਾਚਿਰਗੁਰੂਅਮਰਦਾਸਜੀਮੂੰਹਵਿਚਪਾਕੇਨਾਬੈਠਦੇਉਹਨਾਚਿਰਗੁਰੂਔਗਦਦੇਵਜੀਨੂੰਨੀਂਦਨਾਆਉਂਦੀ॥ ਇਸਤਰ੍ਹਾਂਸੇਵਾਕਰਦਿਆਂਹੋਇਆਂਸੇਵਾਚਾਰਸਾਲਬੀਤਗਏ॥
Sabh Toan Hoar Aoukhee Seva Siri Guru Angad Dev Ji They Angoothay Noon Moonh Vich Rakh Kay Baithnaa ] Siri Guru Angad Dev Ji De Charan De Angoothay Outay Zakham See] Jina Chir Guru Amardas Ji Moonh Vich Pa-kay Na Baithday Ohna Chir Guru Angad Dev Ji Noon Neend Na Aoundi] Iss Tarnha Seva Kardian Hoeyaa Seva Chaar Saal Beet Gaey.
Guru Angad had an ulcer on the big toe of his foot (Probably Gout/Diabetic ulcer).
Which was very painful? The only way he could sleep was if Amardas (later Guru Amardas) kept the toe in his mouth. It carried on for 4 years. This is in reference to the selfless service of Guru Amardas towards Guru Angad Dev.
------Ref, Suraj Parkash, translated as Nanak Parkash (Nirankari Darshan) by Giani Gian Singh, Page, 546
IMHO such a story can create doubts and duality.
Cordially,
Virinder S. Grewal
Williamston, MI
Suraj Parkash, Vol 1
Anecdote; One
Sakhi # 154. Guru Ji Di Seva, Page, 543
Abstract from Page 546;
ਸਭਤੋਂਹੋਰਔਖੀਸੇਵਾਸੀ੍ਗੁਰੂਔਗਦਦੇਵਜੀਦੇਔਨਗੂਠੇਨੂੰਮੂੰਹਵਿਚਰਖਕੇਬੈਠਣਾ॥ ਸੀ੍ਗੁਰੂਔਗਦਦੇਵਜੀਦੇਚਰਨਦੇਔਗੂਠੇਉਤੇਜ਼ਖਮਸੀ॥ ਜਿੰਨਾਚਿਰਗੁਰੂਅਮਰਦਾਸਜੀਮੂੰਹਵਿਚਪਾਕੇਨਾਬੈਠਦੇਉਹਨਾਚਿਰਗੁਰੂਔਗਦਦੇਵਜੀਨੂੰਨੀਂਦਨਾਆਉਂਦੀ॥ ਇਸਤਰ੍ਹਾਂਸੇਵਾਕਰਦਿਆਂਹੋਇਆਂਸੇਵਾਚਾਰਸਾਲਬੀਤਗਏ॥
Sabh Toan Hoar Aoukhee Seva Siri Guru Angad Dev Ji They Angoothay Noon Moonh Vich Rakh Kay Baithnaa ] Siri Guru Angad Dev Ji De Charan De Angoothay Outay Zakham See] Jina Chir Guru Amardas Ji Moonh Vich Pa-kay Na Baithday Ohna Chir Guru Angad Dev Ji Noon Neend Na Aoundi] Iss Tarnha Seva Kardian Hoeyaa Seva Chaar Saal Beet Gaey.
Guru Angad had an ulcer on the big toe of his foot (Probably Gout/Diabetic ulcer).
Which was very painful? The only way he could sleep was if Amardas (later Guru Amardas) kept the toe in his mouth. It carried on for 4 years. This is in reference to the selfless service of Guru Amardas towards Guru Angad Dev.
------Ref, Suraj Parkash, translated as Nanak Parkash (Nirankari Darshan) by Giani Gian Singh, Page, 546
IMHO such a story can create doubts and duality.
Cordially,
Virinder S. Grewal
Williamston, MI
Adskhalsa ji,
Guru Fateh.
I agree with you but please define REHAT for me in lay man's terms with the help of SGGS.
Thanks
Tejwant Singh
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa...Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh..
Thanks to Gyani Ji for clearing doubt about Baani and Gurbani....
Out of curiosity I would like to ask a silly question...Even Baani of Bhagats, Bhat, ...I mean all Baani included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is..dhur ki Baani/ Khasam Ki baani ..or only Guru Nanak Ji's (Stamped) Baani is Khasam Ki Baani...?
Bhul Chuk di Maafi...
Chardi Kala......
Thanks to Gyani Ji for clearing doubt about Baani and Gurbani....
Out of curiosity I would like to ask a silly question...Even Baani of Bhagats, Bhat, ...I mean all Baani included in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is..dhur ki Baani/ Khasam Ki baani ..or only Guru Nanak Ji's (Stamped) Baani is Khasam Ki Baani...?
Bhul Chuk di Maafi...
Chardi Kala......
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh.... Tejwant Singh Ji...
I am sorry...but I am just saying about what is the first step to become a Sikh...I only know this...still trying to gain knowledge of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...Guru de mehar hovegi taan jaroor koshish karaanga ki is da jawab vi de saqaan.....
eh shabad di panktiyaan saanjhi kitti ae..
RENHI_RAHE_SOYI_SIKH_MERA-_KATHA_SAHIT-WWW.SHAYRIWORLD.COM
if we go by Rehat Maryada of SGPC..its available online at SGPC.net
Sikh Reht Maryada, The Definition of Sikh, Sikh Conduct & Conventions, Sikh Religion Living, India
Bhul Chuk Maaf....
Chardi Kala............
GillAUS ji,
Guru Fateh.
I take umbrage at your above statement. I have no idea if you know that Wahhabists were the ones who attacked on 9-11 and killed 3000 people from different countires including my class mate from the UK.
So for you to compare those who disagree with you about Sikhi to the Wahhabists shows more about your parochial and myopic thought process than anything else. Sikhi is about cultivating openmindedness where disagreements ought to occur. Let's not abuse that privilege given to us by our Gurus through SGGS.
I have no problem if you agree with Inder Singh who is famous in many forums to be abusive,arrogant and believing in his Jatt caste and living by it whereas at the same time he claims to be Amritdhari. He calls others who do not agree with him heretics when I have shown the same about him in his own posts.
So let us stick to the topics in hands so all can learn from all participants. When one throws mud at others, one has to dirty one's own hands first. There is no other way of doing it.
So, I hope to have a civilised interaction with you regarding Sikhi where disagreements may occur.
Regards
Tejwant Singh
AdsKhalsa ji,
Guru Fateh.
You quoted about the word Rehat in your post and based your argument on it. So, I asked you a simple question, define Rehat that you base your argument on. Nothing more.
Regards
Tejwant Singh
Says WHO? As asked before many times, please provide solid proof for your assertions. One can not go with your feelings.
Tejwant Singh
Inder Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
There you go spewing your anger at those who disagree with you and flaunting your arrogance pretending to play Ik Ong Kaar, again and again.
What a shame that a person who calls him Amritdhari would have so much anger and hatred built up within!
Tejwant Singh
Tejwant ji
I had myself some confusion about the use of the term Wahadists. Exactly who would be referenced with that term? This is essentially an extremist group within Islam -- as we all know -- that promotes cultural goals in the name of a particular interpretation of the Quran and Sharia. So we do need clarification. aad0002
I had myself some confusion about the use of the term Wahadists. Exactly who would be referenced with that term? This is essentially an extremist group within Islam -- as we all know -- that promotes cultural goals in the name of a particular interpretation of the Quran and Sharia. So we do need clarification. aad0002
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Message of Guru granth sahib ji is to spirit. Those who think that it will tell us about rehat are fooling around.
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There is nothing wrong that i wrote. For you the whole sikh history is suspect. You do not follow sikh rehat maryada.
Truth is bitter. have the capacity to chew what i wrote.
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aad0002
I am waiting for clarification from you about misinterpreting Bhai gurdas ji di vaar.
I am waiting for clarification from you about misinterpreting Bhai gurdas ji di vaar.
Inder Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
First of all, my question was directed to AdsKhalsa who had used REHAT in his argument. I asked him a simple question to define the word.
Now rather than defining it, you are running away from it by accusing others.
What Gurmat values do you base your above accusation on?
Please give refrences from SGGS.
Thanks.
Tejwant Singh
Antonia ji,
Guru Fateh.
I totally agree with you. It shows an abusive nature of a person who accuses other Sikhs who disagree with him/her as Wahabbists. Wahabbism is the cornerstone of all what Alqueda and the Taliban have been doing all around the world.
Tejwant Singh
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