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Anyone Have Any Unanswered Questions On Sikhi Or God?

Discussion in 'Sikh Sikhi Sikhism' started by Theologian, Jan 7, 2017.

  1. Theologian

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    Hello brothers & sisters,
    I always enjoy having conversations or back n forth talks on the more unanswerable sides of religions & God. To start, anyone have anything to put forward......
     
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  3. RD1

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    Where did God come from? What are the origins of God?
     
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    God has come from no where. He was ther ab initio; he has been there through all the ages; he is there now and will be there as it is. Aad(i) sach(u), jugad(i) sach(u), hai bhi sach(u), hosi bhi sach(u). He is Saibhang (self created).
     
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    I think RD1 was being sarcastic
     
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    lol I was actually not being sarcastic.....
     
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  7. sukhsingh

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    Lol
     
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    Guru Fateh Theologian ji,

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    jb eyk inrMjn inrMkwr pRB sBu ikCu Awpih krqw ]3] (216-2)
    jab ayk niranjan nirankaar parabh sabh kichh aapeh kartaa. ||3||
    When the Immaculate and Formless Lord God was all alone, He did everything by Himself. ||3||
    Apny krqb Awpy jwnY ijin iehu rcnu rcwieAw ] (216-2)
    apnay kartab aapay jaanai jin ih rachan rachaa-i-aa.
    He alone knows His actions; He created this creation.


    When God in the beginning was in his previous formless state, everything was dark and formless and void of life, apart from the Eternal God as one Entity. As we live in a physical universe, that is set by parameters and rules, the external universe(outside ours), is totally different. As there are a few verses that explain by Gods command and will, creations and life come into being through his eternal word. If you wish for me to add a verse for this then please request and I will have to have a dig through the SGGS. If you already know this, then for times sake I am moving on. The only way I can try and understand the spiritual/exterior realm(s) is as a magical world. A world that is not bound by rigid rules and formulas in the physical sense.

    Now if anything was before God, then that would not make God first. If God had to have a reason to come into being, then that would make God created, and hence would not be God. As God is first and divine, we have to take things by faith, just as we are taught in many other ways to take faith in things we can not see, like taking faith in the actual existence of God today in a form, a form that is 'visually' 'closest' to that of a human exterior according to certain verses, I should be able to add a verse for this below:


    iqsu iniv iniv lwgau pweI jIau ]2] (216-17)
    tis niv niv laaga-o paa-ee jee-o. ||2||
    Bowing low, I fall at the Feet of the Lord.

    supRsMn Bey kysvw sy jn hir gux gwih ]4] (203-10)
    suparsan bha-ay kaysvaa say jan har gun gaahi. ||4||
    Those humble beings, with whom the beautifully-haired Lord is thoroughly pleased, sing the Glorious Praises of the Lord.
    I do not believe he was self created, any insight sir?
     
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    If God was the result of being created, then he would be a creation.
     
  11. sukhsingh

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    This all sounds a bit muddled..

    What do you mean God was not self created? Your expositions have some very interesting nuances.. You're use and application of the term 'god', approach to discussing and translating bani seems novel.. I would very much like to understand your perspectives more.. Maybe if we localise and focus on a specific area of discussion it may be better?

    Your approach to discussing 'god' /akaal, creation, engendered descriptions of 'god' feel alien to me and (without prejudice) abrahamic..

    With respect
    Sukh
     
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    Hi,

    Can i ask you one question....

    Do you believe that 'in this life' 'whilst you are alive' you can become an 'explorer' and experience God, know God, and understand through 1st hand experience his whole creation...? all whilst living as a human being in that body of yours :)
     
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    So do you hold the believe God is a creation?

    If I went by teachings that God is not limited to no form, and is always around us. That Guru Nanak spoke to a being, called 'God'. Saw a being that he described as 'God'. Even to the point of his hair, arms and legs.

    Then 10/15 years later studying other faiths and come across most other faiths agreeing with SGGS that God is not limited to any form, and is always around us, and also has a description of a body. Should I disagree with the root of my believe? If an Abrahamic religion says that the SGGS is right in certain topics, is anything wrong with that? Or what would you suggest....Insight please.
     
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    Nope, if I could even get to 5% of knowing, I would consider it a success. Otherwise if I did know nearly all, then in essence I would be saying I know nearly all as God, claiming to be near the knowledge of God. Only God knows all. But going to original point, It would be impossible to have a high knowledge of Gods creation. All I can aim to do, is study through countless hours and days, through what we can see on Earth and through every religion to get an insight into the SGGS.

    Like for example, a soul cannot be seen, even if a doctor opens a body up. Many have claimed to see ghosts and some have physical evidence through electrical equipment of variances in environment. If ghosts can go through walls, then that would not be possible if this is the 'Main' world. So through this example of creation, and the soul being in the ghost/spiritual realm, then that would make more sense to be the main world, through which this world is built on. Like a human skeleton, you can not see the skeleton from the outside body, but it is the main structure that's the body and organs together.

    Would you propose any more ways to navigate this?
     
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    Answering a question with a question isn't particularly useful.
     
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    Ok, so now i know a little more about you and your general beliefs and idea through your study of religions...

    Things is...personally i wouldn't want to be on my death bed having lived my life and just studied!!...
    i want to live...

    i don't want to study australia...i have set foot on australia...experienced it..breathed it..lived it...only true experience is fulfilling...

    I am surprised that through your studies, you have yet to determine that everything you wish to know, can be experienced whilst alive in your body today...

    I'm grateful that Sikhi tells me "study for a little while...but thats not enough!....now do it, live it, breath it...whilst you are alive"...

    I'm grateful that sikhi says "this is the way...now become an explorer, a scientist and do this experiment, whilst you are still breathing and see what happens"

    and boy....does it happen :)

    don;t set you limit to just studying, don't set your limit to just 5% of knowing...what there is to experience is infinite...so stop thinking about it...it'll make your head hurt. just do it...and then tell your story to other and inspire them

    I'm done with just studying...as my nephew says..."its boring!" :)

    As Original Ji often says...your body is the stargate! through your body, absolutely everything is accessible....take the dive in! lol
     
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    [QUOTE="Theologian, post: 212050, member: 21372" All I can aim to do, is study through countless hours and days, through what we can see on Earth and through every religion to get an insight into the SGGS.

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    Just a little something on what you wrote above...

    you said you want to study through what you can see on earth (which is on the outside)
    and through study of religions (which is on the outside)...

    but you want to get an insight (which is on the inside)...

    SGGS Ji, in many please says...you are a fool if you are seeking God on the outside...it says it in such a blunt way, but you would be surprised how many people still ignore such bold and direct statements...

    It says "look on the inside!" lol
    many verses in SGGS ji are trying to describe stages of your journey 'within' ... therefore they cannot really be understood through study...

    one day you'll be in deep meditation...the universe will open up before your inner eyes...and you'll think "ahhhh thats what it means!".....beauty is...your study has just become 'actual experience' ... and you'll want to scream from a rooftop to tell others..

    but you can't prove anything to them, they have to dive in themselves also...we can only inspire each other...
     
  18. dalvindersingh grewal

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    have you got any evidence to confirm your belief that God was not self created other than Sri Guru Granth Sahib where it is defined as 'saibhang': self created.
     
  19. Sikhilove

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    He sat for many ages In the Primal Void- the Silence (our true origin) and after much self contemplation and meditation, discovered himself to be Truth/Sat.

    He wished to share His discovery with another, and bam- the universe, the 14 realms were created. Hes blessed us to be able to discover ourselves in a fraction of the time He has. We are Truth- we are Nothing but a frequency beyond what we can currently comprehend. We just need to realise it.
     
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    Can you you clarify the above statement please, it intimates that God was not perfect at one point, is this the case?
     
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    No it doesn't, again that's you using your worldly logic.

    There is no worldly logic in Truth. Gurbani states that He sat for ages in the void in deep contemplation/ meditation. The Gurus followed in His footsteps of self discovery. They urge Us to do the same, that's why they taught the world.
     
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