Hindu Aarti In Gurdwara

Archived_member7 · #**127** (**permalink**) 31-Mar-2009, 02:55 AM

Dalbirk ji anything made of stone or metal is bound to be destroyed...tomorrow if a hindu comes and make a crack in the Bhagauti sword...and will ask you..what good do you do by worshipping a metal...would we have answers....for hindus a metal idol is a representation of the Adi Shakti and for us a Shastar is a representation. Both mean the same...
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To criticize another's faith is the easiest but to follow one's own is the most difficult...by the way..i would dare anyone to touch a quran or even an aayat from it and show its futility to the muslims and see what would happen to you .

dalbirk · #**128** (**permalink**) 31-Mar-2009, 13:21 PM

Raj Khalsa Ji ,
I suppose u have read Indian history in middle Ages , say from 8th century AD to 17th century AD , India was maraduaded by hordes of invaders . What did the so-called ELITE Hindus ie Kshatriyas & Brahmins do ? Kshatriyas went to refuge of Brahmins who merely did Karam -Kand , chanted Mantras from Yajur Veda , so that a DEVI would appear , will rain acid on attackers ( The invasion of Somnath ) , whole attackers would be blinded . Nothing of that sort happened . Hundreds of thousands of Hindus were killed by Ghazni & previously Subuktijin

Somnath

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So Guru Ji used Sword as a symbol to remind people that no so-called DEVI would come to their rescue , but they will have to rely on the Sword in their hands as the ultimate rescuer & provider . Nowadays we can replace sword with Gun or whatever .

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**129** (**permalink**) 31-Mar-2009, 14:50 PM

Guru nanak ji eye wittness to the awful slaughter and destruction of Emnabad Saidpur by babar the Mughal..says..
koi mughal na hao andha....
This is in reference to the Claims of the Pandits and Mullahs who told the Lodhis..Dont worry baout the Mughals...we will do our MAGIC CHARMS..Mantras...Koran Aiyats...and ALL the Mughals will go BLIND..their Cannons will be BLOCKED SOLID and unable to Fire a single shot.
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What really happened ?? the Mughal cannons blew the Lodhis to shreds...the Mughal armies rolled into the Town of Emanbaad and Bababr burnt it all to the ground..laid waste..and plundered...
Read babarvani in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. The ONLY fools who were BLIND..were the Lodhis who beleived the pandits B_******!!
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YES..the Pandit did coem to Guru Gobind Singh Ji to "reveal the Devi". He first asked for vast amounts of rasd...rations of ghee, sugar, atta, etc etc for a YAGNA....GGS gave in to humour hima nd hsow his true side to the SIKHS....when days went by...and nothing happened..GGS asked the Pandit Ji...So how ?? whats happenign My Man ?? Wheres the devi ? The wily Pandit replied..OH..Guru Ji..the Fire NEEDS the human sacrifice of a very HOLY and INNOCENT person ( his eye on Sahibzadah Ajit singh).and not be woried..wehn the DEVI appears..you can ask her to REVIVE the Sahibzadah Ji.....GGS replied...who could be Holier and more innocent than YOU...and moreover you are Devis devoted servant..she willd efinitley revive YOU..so we will do it tomorrow morning... Surprise..surprsie..next morning the Pandit had DISAPPEARED.... So GGS threw the entire remaining stock of ghee etc into the FIRE..and it welled up to the skies...everyone at the Bottom of the hill thought..OH that must be the DEVI appearing...thats the real story.

ranghi29 · #**130** (**permalink**) 22-May-2009, 07:16 AM

i am doing a little research on the Aarti begin don at Sri Hazzor Sahib.... i came across many articles and topics. So far all odds are against this act and i completely disagree with them.. This is a takat and they should follow the Marayda of sri guru grant sahib ji which says that Arti is wrong...and As a Sikh it is my and everyone els duty to go out and question them and tell the Sangat...:

amandeepsingh · #**131** (**permalink**) 28-Jul-2009, 13:00 PM

I am afraid to say that today's sikh think he is more learned than our gurus and his thoughts only are right.... more over its our bad luck that the so called akali leaders think that they are the present gurus what ever " MANNMAT " they want to prevail has to be followed religiously by sikhs .... Let me ask every one a question. Have we really tried to understand what gurus has said to us? Have we ever tried to read and understand magical words of Guru Granth Sahib ? What ever one thinks is right is being forced on others ... be it manipulation with gurbani, maryada, or any thing related to sikh code of conduct. Some non indians are not willing to utter " PRITHAM BHAGAUTI SIMAR KE " in Ardas, some are not willing to recite JAAP sahib, Some has objection on arti with lamps and bells, some are die hard enimies of hindu. tomorrow some one will rise and would say i dont believe in the bani of hindu and muslim bhagats so delete it form the Guru Granth sahib would it be acceptible ?? pls read and understand gurbani.... all your doubts would automaticlly be cleared.... If my lord Guru Nanak has not distinguish between hindu and muslims who the #@$% are we to do so.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #**132** (**permalink**) 28-Jul-2009, 15:40 PM

SIKHS DONT simmar or worship WEAPONS..Bhaguati or anything else.
Simple reason is that Bhagauti/weapon..is helpless by itself..it has no brains...the same SWORD in the hands of babar destroyed Emnabad town...the same sword in the hnads of teh Zalaad at Chandni Chowk cut off Guru teg baahdur Jis head...the same sword in Guru Gobind Singh jis Hands destroyed tyranny of Mughals..the same sword in baba banda Singh jis hands destroyed Sirhind...so HOW TO "WORSHIP" the SWORD ?? It is FORCED to FOLLOW the BRAIN of its OWNER..zaalam..or SANT.?? This entire simmar bahgauti thing is anti GURMATT and not sanctioned by Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...please provde quotes from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ??

harbansj24 · #**133** (**permalink**) 29-Jul-2009, 00:00 AM

Guru Fateh,

I live in India and have excellent and sincere friends among Hindus and a few self proclaimed atheists also. Whenever invited to a Gurudwara function they enthusiastically join it. When they invite me to temple I also gladly go there and respectfully move in the temple complex but I do not bow before the deities. My friends notice this but do not comment directly.
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After leaving the temple complex, they tell me how Hinduism is way of life and not a religion and how OM is a natural resonance of the universe etc. They repeatedly invite me to attend Yoga classes. Now Yoga asans are a set good scientifically proven exercises but in my opinion they certainly are not a path to attain divinity as claimed by my friends.
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During the Yoga classes you are supposed to chant Gatayri Mantra and OM which I cannot do. So I do not attend these classes.

Our friend Vijaydeep Singh Ji says that Sikhs have a insecurity problem. I can only say that Sikhs are always in Chardi Kalan but will not do things which they do not believe in.

I will not enter into discussion about worshiping idols and showing respect to Granth Sahib as one and the same thing. I will only say that it is obviously not the same thing.

I may be pardoned from saying it but the feeling of insecurity is on the opposite side.

Does not all that has been said above indicate that our very good Hindu friends and self proclaimed atheists would like Sikhs to merge with all encompassing Hinduism? What is the problems if Sikhs maintain their separate identity? I am sure that if Sikhs are left alone they will not have any problem in coexisting with Hindus or anyone else. In fact they never had any problem!

Gurfateh and Chardian Kala

Narayanjot Kaur · #**134** (**permalink**) 29-Jul-2009, 00:38 AM

Fateh harbhansj24 ji

amandeepsingh · #**135** (**permalink**) 02-Aug-2009, 01:02 AM

" Sikhs DONT simmar or worship WEAPONS..Bhaguati or anything else.
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Simple reason is that Bhagauti/weapon..is helpless by itself..it has no brains...the same SWORD in the hands of babar destroyed Emnabad town...the same sword in the hnads of teh Zalaad at Chandni Chowk cut off Guru teg baahdur Jis head...the same sword in Guru Gobind Singh jis Hands destroyed tyranny of Mughals..the same sword in baba banda Singh jis hands destroyed Sirhind...so HOW TO "WORSHIP" the SWORD ?? It is FORCED to FOLLOW the BRAIN of its OWNER..zaalam..or SANT.?? This entire simmar bahgauti thing is anti GURMATT and not sanctioned by Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji...please provde quotes from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji ??"
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I shall again say till the time we do not try to understand Guru Granth Sahib ji we would keep on bullshitting.
The only need is to follow Gurmat not MANNMAT. I guess Sukhmani Sahib has answers to all the questions being discussed in this forum.....
May almighty GOD give good sense to all the sikhs