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Why this forum thesedays is full of "saakats" (skeptics and atheists) ?

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  1. Seeker2013

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    I remember till a few years ago when I used to come to this forum , it still had a substantial number of sikhs with bhaavna in their hearts . Thesedays its full of skeptics and doubters !
    The ones who make "kintu parantu" in everything !
     
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    I'm sorry you don't feel the "bhaavna" in this forum anymore. I think this forum is unique in that it allows everyone to present their point of view and really dig out ideas and topics and find the core, without worrying about being accused of being wicked cynics or slanderers

    There is merit in having a discerning mind and not following blindly and not accepting everything that Internet randoms say is true. I suppose that makes people like myself and Harry Ji "skeptic doubters" to some.

    I can only speak for myself now, but please keep in mind that although my way of connecting and honouring Ik Onkar is different from your, it is no less real. The wisdom I find within Guru Granth Sahib Ji is plainly different from that which you see - who is to say which one of us is right? Probably both of us are right, if we remember Naam as much as we can and encourage the good qualities within us and guard against the thieves.

    Ik Onkar loves diversity, and we are all unique. While we are able to share thoughts, learn from each other and communicate about Sikhi, the Divine and our Guru Sahiban, then we are on the right track, and it's not fair to judge other members.
     
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    Seeker2013 ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    Would you be kind enough to share what you find different and what you mean by "sikhs with bhaavna"?

    Bhaavna is a very subjective thing and it also personal. No one else can judge others about their bhaavna.

    Let me ask you a question. How has your bhaavna been in your life independently of joining SPN?
     
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    I remember till a few years ago when I used to come to this forum , it still had a substantial number of sikhs with bhaavna in their hearts . These days its full of skeptics and doubters !
    The ones who make "kintu parantu" in everything



    Nothing changed to me ,Its the same forum, even years ago it was controlled by Atheist Sikhs ,always on fore front to mock Dhyaan ,Meditation .
     
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    maybe god was fulfilling their wishes then, and now he isn't! maybe it will happen to you, maybe one day, you will stop listening to all the superstitions and rumours, and actually question and think for yourself.
     
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    Am I an atheist?
     
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    if you try walking the walk, keep an open mind, ask questions and accept nothing on faith, apparently, yes
     
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    Harmanpreet ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    How is the married life coming along? It is honeymoon for the first 6 months only then the thing hits the fan.
    Would you be kind enough to elaborate what you mean by your statement above? How do you define the "Atheist Sikhs" as you have been part of this family for many years?

    Thanks
     
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    Isn't it all about the control? :) Even a lack of an agenda seems like an agenda! How many of your thoughts (messages) and for that matter anyone else' posts have been suppressed or edited during all these years at SPN?

    Kintu Parantu ... isn't this the basis of evolution of Sikhi? Guru Nanak Sahib did kintu parantu every-time He saw illogical practices. So, wasn't Guru Nanak Sahib a Skeptic?

    We have to learn to respect unity in diversity. We come here to think, discuss, share, learn and evolve and not Judge!

    Gurfateh!
    Bhull Chuk Maaf
     
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    respect :) although the sikh community itself wud not tolerate kintu parantu beyond a level . For eg : guru nanak slept with his feet towards kabba, would we accept it as ok if someone slept with his feet towards SGGS in a gurudwara ? food for thought !
     
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    :) No issue with you Admin Singh ji ,you always remained neutral without any biasing ,blessings to you .bit busy now ,I will reply to other members here .
     
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    Maybe more agonistic than atheist?
     
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    Well, atheism is a statement about belief, usually "I do not believe that any deity(ies) exist."

    Agnosticism is a statement about knowledge, usually "I do not know if any deity(ies) exist."

    They are both quite western concepts when applied like this, and I'm not sure they can be applied so easily to a way of life that is part of the dharmic family of paths.

    I am looking forward to finding out from fellow members if I am one of the atheists or not (as they seem to be in the know ;) ).
     
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    I myself will fully admit to being a bit of a Venn diagram with my beliefs. If you take agnosticism and put it in one circle, that's where I go "but what if there isn't a god?" And enjoy debating that. If you take Sikhi and put it in another, and look at what I love about Sikhi, there's langar, gatka, sewa, kirtan...etc. and in the final circle (I think...) put Wicca. I'm very much more sexually a witch (ie free to mingle with who I want, be in whatever relationship I want) and am fine with the definition of "spells" being nothing more than "ardas/prayers" under a different name.

    It's harder to find Wiccan covens than Sikh temples though. Which is part of why I go to gurdwara. But I'm a mix of all 3...I'm where they intersect. ;-)
     
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    I myself have had my own living as both an atheist an and an agnostic but after I developed my own personal relationship with SGGS , now I feel like all those years were waste when i was being doubtful by being an atheist and agnostic
     
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    Well, there are people who doubt other people. There are people who disagree while others agree. Like for example people say that the moon landing were real while others say its fake. Its their own point of view. This website was meant for everyone. You don't complain about their beliefs.
     
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    Look I understand that atheists and religious people like to be like rams and bash with each other. But, we can be peaceful. Its our point of views, trust me. For those who have a religion don't mock the atheists who don't believe. And for the Atheists don't mock the others who believe their faith.
     
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    I believe in Ek Ong Kar period, I am a Sikh period.

    In my opinion Ek Ong Kar is not a Abrahamic god like figure, I don't quite know what it is, but I do have a fair idea what it ain't.
     
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    how can we tell you if you're an atheist or not ? no one can tell you because thats only for you to know ! whats in your heart ! do you think god exists ? if yes, you're not an atheist. Atheist means someone who doesn't believe in existence of god
     
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