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Simran And Sikhi (Karminder Singh Dhillon)

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    Simran and Sikhi

    Karminder Singh Dhillon, PhD (Boston) Kuala Lumpur

    http://www.woolwichgurdwara.org.uk/simran-and-sikhee---in-english.html

    SIMRAN ਸਿਮਰਨ is a Sanskrit word that translates as remembrance. Its Punjabi equivalents are ਯਾਦ and ਚੇਤਾ. The evening Sikh prayer Rehras (ਰਹਿਰਾਸ) contains a verse: ਊਡੈ ਊਡਿ ਆਵੈ ਸੈ ਕੋਸਾ ਤਿਸੁ ਪਾਛੈ ਬਚਰੇ ਛਰਿਆ ॥ ਤਿਨ ਕਵਨੁ ਖਲਾਵੈ ਕਵਨੁ ਚੁਗਾਵੈ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿਆ ॥ (GGS page 10) [Guru Arjun uses the illustration of the florican – a migratory bird of cold regions which flies out long distances in search of food; leaving its young behind. Despite the distance, separation and the continually arduous task of finding food that the bird has to perform, remembrance of its offspring remains a constant. (ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿਆ)।

    Sikhi places primary importance on remembering God at all times. Guru Arjun says in GGS page 263 ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਾ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਸਭ ਤੇ ਊਚਾ ॥ Meaning of all spiritual deeds, keeping God in one’s mind or remembering Him is of the highest order. The vocabulary of Sikhi that has captured such a principle is Naam Simran ਨਾਮ ਸਿਮਰਨ. The meanings of the words Naam and Simran within the context of Gurbani is as follows.

    The GGS on page 803 contains a verse that reads: ਸਿਮਰਿ ਮਨਾ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਚਿਤਾਰੇ ॥ Here Guru Arjun is elaborating the meaning of Simran. Remembering God within one’s mind is Simran. This therefore is the Gurbani definition of Simran. Yet the question remains that since God has no discernible shape or form to the extent that the human mind cannot even begin to imagine any shape or form, how then does one visualize, let alone remember God? Gurbani thus advises the Sikh that remembrance must center on the ਨਾਮ Naam. Hence the verse above delineating Simran as a function of the mind (ਸਿਮਰਿ ਮਨਾ) and Simran as remembrance (ਚਿਤਾਰੇ) relates to the Naam of the all pervading God (ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਚਿਤਾਰੇ ) Ram comes from the word ਰਮਿਆ – meaning all pervading or present everywhere.

    What then is meant by the word Naam? The Gurus make clear the meaning of Naam within Gurbani. Naam does not mean Name. Certainly not proper names that we human accord to other human beings or things – living or otherwise. Our parents who were in existence well before we came into being have determined our names. Parents and elders undertake naming ceremonies. Those who make or create things also generally name them. Gurbani says God is self created - Saibhang. Gurbani also says there was no entity prior to God, He is Ajooni. Therefore there could have been no naming ceremonies per se and no proper name as well. Gurbani says that names that we humans accord to God in the path of spirituality, inclusive of Sat ਸਤਿ are descriptive and functional attributes (ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ) of God. ਕਿਰਤਮ comes from the word ਕਿਰਤ meaning function. A Gurbani verse on page 1083 penned by Guru Arjun makes this clear: ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ ਕਥੇ ਤੇਰੇ ਜਿਹਬਾ ॥ ਸਤਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਤੇਰਾ ਪਰਾ ਪੂਰਬਲਾ॥ Meaning, the names of Yours that I utter are ਕਿਰਤਮ which in turn means functional, descriptive and attribution-al. In spiritual terms ਕਿਰਤਮ ਨਾਮ translate as God’s virtues and God’s praises as perceived by those who choose to walk His path. So God’s names are in essence given by His bhagats, His children, His devoted souls. Such names are innumerable, uncountable, ever increasing and all of equal stature. They are of equal standing because they are given and accorded by us, humans. It cannot be that one attribute of God is higher or lower than another. It is simply a matter of which attribute (s) a particular seeker finds more fitting in his/her personal spiritual journey. Guru Nanak illustrates this point in the third pauree of japji – the Gavey Ko pauree. Individuals perceive God in attributes that are most relevant to their individual spiritual situations, and proceed to call, name or refer to God in terms of these attributes, and then to sing these attributes. The Gurbani term for these myriad attributes of God is therefore Naam. Consequently, Naam refers to the unfathomable virtues, functions, merits, and descriptions etc. of the Creator-Being. Our Gurus, within their spiritual consciousness, similarly saw a variety of Godly virtues and listed them in Gurbani.

    It follows therefore, that in Gurmat, Naam Simran refers to the process of remembering God’s virtues / attributes ਪਰਮਾਤਮਾ ਦੇ ਗੁਣਾਂ ਨੂੰ ਯਾਦ ਕਰਨਾ। The ultimate objective of such remembrance on a regular basis and as a constant of life (ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਕਰਿਆ) while going about our daily lives is to attempt to understand, appreciate and then acquire some of these virtues within our practical lives. The essence of Sikhi is for the Sikh to be Guru-like and God-like. The like-ness is in terms of virtues and attributes. So if God is Nirbhau ਨਿਰਭਉ (fearless), the object of the Sikh is to become fearless. Guru Arjun puts this succinctly in the GGS page 294. ਨਿਰਭਉ ਜਪੈ ਸਗਲ ਭਉ ਮਿਟੈ। By contemplating on the Fearless all my fears have vanished. Guru Teg Bahadur ji epitomizes this virtue in a verse on page 1427 of the GGS: ਭੈ ਕਾਹੂ ਕਉ ਦੇਤ ਨਹਿ ਨਹਿ ਭੈ ਮਾਨਤ ਆਨ ॥ ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੁਨਿ ਰੇ ਮਨਾ ਗਿਆਨੀ ਤਾਹਿ ਬਖਾਨਿ ॥ One who provides no fear to anyone and who fears none - says Nanak, is spiritually wise. Fearing none is a virtue of God (and this is so because God has no equal) and the ninth master is asking the spiritual person to acquire it, amongst other virtues. Such a virtue is to be acquired through the process of contemplation of the virtue itself.

    But what is the process of Naam Simran? The GGS verse on page 1120 says : ਨਾਮੁ ਨਿਧਾਨੁ ਗਾਉ ਗੁਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਉਧਰੁ ਸਾਗਰ ਕੇ ਖਾਤ॥ This verse makes clear that singing the unfathomable praises and virtues (ਗਾਉ ਗੁਨ) of Gobind the provider is the real process of Naam Simran. Singing in Gurmat is the primary process of contemplation whereby the mind’s faculties are fully applied through the listening uttering part. The question now remains answering is: How or what method should the Sikh use in Naam Simran?

    A vast majority of Sikhs has accepted that the repetitious recital of Satnam or Waheguru is the be all and end all of Naam Simran. Nothing more, nothing less. All there is to Naam Simran is to sit still and recite it aloud for a fixed period of time or for a fixed number of recitations. Some have added the rosary to the process while others have deployed mechanical counting devices. Some have resorted to singing the words Satnam and Waheguru to tunes of “Satnam Ji, Waheguru Ji” or “Wahguru Wahguru Wahguru Wahguru” for considerable lengths of time. Others have created or imported “techniques” from elsewhere – closing the eyes, dimming the lights, coordinating breathing, adopting various sitting positions, pressing the index finger and thumb together, putting the palm to the heart, placing the limbs in a variety of positions etc. Many have laid claim to the “real” method even if drawn from such meaningless techniques. As if these distractions weren’t enough, Sikhs now have to contend with the question of where and what to concentrate one’s mind upon, when doing Naam Simran. The answers are as varied as they can get: put a photo of the Guru in front, focus on the third eye (wherever that is), fix your gaze on a lighted candle, concentrate on your forehead, look intensely at a lamp, or think of the feet of the baba are only the tip of the iceberg “techniques” that have found their way into mainstream Sikhi.

    But what answer does Gurbani provide in relation to the above question? The repetitious utterance of a word or mantar (with or without a rosary or counter) is called chanting or “ਰਟਨ” in Punjabi. Chanting has zero value in Gurmat. Repetitious chanting creates three major problems from the Gurmat and Gurbani point of view.

    The first problem would be that Gurbani rubbishes repetitious chanting. Bhai Gurdas Ji has an elaborate Kabit as follows: ਖਾਂਡ ਖਾਂਡ ਕਹੈ ਜਿਹਬਾ ਨਾ ਸਵਾਦ ਮੀਠੋ ਆਵੈ, ਅਗਨ ਅਗਨ ਕਹੈ ਸੀਤ ਨਾ ਬਿਨਾਸ ਹੈ॥ Repetitiously chanting / saying “sugar, sugar’” will no bring sweetness to ones taste; chanting “fire, fire” will not take the cold away. Obviously one has to say “sugar” ONCE to refer to sugar. But the taste would only come from the act of eating it, not saying “sugar” again and again. He goes on to provide four more illustrations – chanting “medicine” will not heal one, chanting “money” will not bring wealth, chanting “sandalwood” will not produce fragrance, and chanting “sun” will not produce light.

    The second problem is that chanting Gurbani or any part of Gurbani makes that which is chanted as a mantar. A mantar by definition is a means to an end. It is chanted to produce some desired effect. The effects of a mantar are always external. We need to think seriously here. Considering Gurbani as being a means to an end puts that particular end higher than the means and reduces Gurbani to the level of an instrument, tool and contraption – fit for chanting purposes only. From chanting Satnam Waheguru, Sikhs have progressed to all sorts of other chanting – chanting Dukh Bhjanjani Shabads, chanting Japji from 6 am to 6pm, chanting Chaupai for 24 hours etc. The objective of each is external - to bring material gains and remove physical pains. There can be no bigger misconception than to consider Gurbani as a means. Guru Amardas ji is clear in his definition of Gurbani as an end in itself when he says on page 515 of the GGS ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁਬਾਣੀ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ Banee is the highest end – it is God Himself – and there is nothing comparable to it. That nothing is higher than Gurbani is the message of the third Master here. The objective of banee is to bring internal effect, internal change, internal elevatedness.

    The third problem is that if repetitious chanting / saying / singing of just one word, or a collection of words, or a mantar was the Gurmat way to God, where then does one place the utility of 1430 pages, 5,887 Shabads and some 40,000 verses? Of what use is this immense, rich and vast reservoir of spirituality that we call the Guru Granth Sahib which the Gurus took great pains, sacrifices and time to provide for us? If the mere and repetitious singing of Satnam or Waheguru is to be considered Kirtan, then what were our Gurus doing composing 5,887 Shabads in 48 raags, countless sub and misrat (combined) raags, intricate poetic arrangements (dohras, salokas, shunts, etc) and innumerable taals? Did Guru Nanak, together with his musical partner and genius Bhai Mardana do kirtan of only “Satnam ji, Waheguru ji”? For what purpose did Guru Nanak compose 2,226 Shabads – NONE of which even use the word Waheguru even once? As a matter of fact, NONE of the Gurus have used the word Waheguru in their Banee. The Bhatts used the word Waheguru in the presence of Guru Arjun to refer to the fifth Master and to call out to Guru Arjun. So to a Sikh the word Waheguru would mean O Guru, O Wonderous Guru. Our Guru of course is the Shabad and the Wondorus-ness of the Shabad is within its message. Where does chanting fit into this wonder? It has to be said that if all that mattered was the chanting of one word or a collection of words (mantar), then the decision would have been so recorded in the GGS and the Sikh Scripture could have been completed in just one or two pages.

    A specific problem relating to the Gurmat definition of Kirtan arises when we start to sing “Satnam Ji, Waheguru Ji,” or “Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru,” as kirtan. The Sikh Rehat Maryada under subsection (ਅ) page 15 defines Kirtan as ਕੀਰਤਨ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਰਾਗਾਂ ਵਿਚ ਉਚਾਰਣ ਕਰਨ ਨੂੰ ਕਹਿੰਦੇ ਹਨ। Translation: Kirtan is the singing of Gurbani in Raags. In subsection (e), the SRM dictates: ਸੰਗਤ ਵਿਚ ਕੀਰਤਨ ਕੇਵਲ ਗੁਰਬਾਣੀ ਜਾਂ ਇਸ ਦੀ ਵਿਆਖਿਆ ਸਰੂਪ ਰਚਨਾ ਭਾਈ ਗੁਰਦਾਸ ਜੀ ਤੇ ਭਾਈ ਨੰਦ ਲਾਲ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦਾ ਹੀ ਹੋ ਸਕਦਾ ਹੈ।Translation: In the presence of the Sangat, Kirtan is to be performed ONLY from Gurbani and the Gurbani explanatory writings of Bhai Gurdas Ji and Bhai Nand Lal Ji. Consequently when someone starts to sing as Kirtan “Satnam Ji, Waheguru JI,” or “Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru,” the most serious violation of the SRM occurs in that “Satnam Ji, Waheguru JI,” and “Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru” is neither Gurbani nor the writings of Bhai Gurdas and Bhai Nand Lal ji. If the excuse is that one of the two Bhaat compositions are being sung, then they must be sung exactly as they are written and in Raag, and without any kind of distortion. The Bhatts did not use the word Satnam as a single word. And the Bhatt compositions are not in chanting form and not meant to be chanted. They are meant to be sung in Raag and Taal. The first Bhatt verse is: ਸੇਵਕ ਕੈ ਭਰਪੂਰ ਜੁਗ ੁਜੁਗੁ ਵਾਹਗੁਰੂ ਤੇਰਾ ਸਭੁ ਸਦਕਾ ॥ Sewak Kay Bharpoor Jug Jug Wah Guru Tera Sab Sadka. The other verse is ਸਤਿ ਸਾਚੁ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਸਦਾ ਤੁਹੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਵਾਹਿ ਜੀਉ ॥ Sat Sach Sri Niwas Aad Purakh Sda Tuhi Wagheguru Waheguru Waheguru Wahe Jio. The poetic style for both verses is Swayea and the complete verse should be sung as such in Kirtan – without distortion and without adding one, two, three or four more “Wahegurus” and without prolonged repetition. Cursory reading of both the above verses makes clear that there is no element of chanting in any one. Then there are those who start off by singing a normal Gurbani Shabad in Raag and Taal. Midway, or at any point that pleases them, they start to chant “Waheguru, Waheguru, Waheguru Waheguru.”This is clear distortion of the Shabad. The words being chanted are NOT contained within the Shabad being sung. Oftentimes, in the heat, fervor and energy of the chanting the remainder of the shabad is discarded and left unsung!

    The process of rosary spinning ਮਾਲਾ ਫੇਰਨਾ has been thoroughly critiqued in Gurbani because it is a ritual. Display of spirituality and ego are just two of the negative (spiritually) traits connected with the rosary. It is of course a different issue that we have created fake photos of Guru Nanak and adorned the false image with rosaries in the Guru’s hands, over the heads, and in the necks. Such photos are perhaps the creation of those who themselves wished to link to the pakhand of the rosary. A vast majority of main-stream Sikhs have equated such chanting to the concept of Jaap. This is perhaps the biggest spiritual blunder anyone can make. The equating of chanting “ਰਟਨ” to Jaap “ਜਾਪ” is not supported by Gurbani. Jaap is contemplation – the application of the deepest levels of spiritual concentration to understand the inner messages of Gurbani and to connect to them in the deepest possible sense. The philosophical underpinning of what constitutes Jaap is contained in Guru Nanak’s richly philosophical banee titled Japji. The 38 paurees and two saloks of Japji together combine to tell us what Jaap is within the Sikhi context. The Japji bane is the most authoritative definition of the concept of Jaap. No where in this bane is chanting prescribed. In fact chanting is rubbished in pauree 32 as ਕੂੜੀ ਕੂੜੈ ਠੀਸ – a lie created by the fake and false. Elsewhere, the GGS defines Jaap in succinct terms: ਜਪਿ ਮਨ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ (GGS 192)) namely that the Jaap of the Sikh is the application of the mind to the banee of the Guru. This means that Jaap is for the Sikh is to contemplate the entire banee of the Guru. Jaap comes from the word ਜਾਂਪਣਾ Jaapna – meaning to know, to understand, to appreciate and to contemplate. It certainly is not the repetitious chanting of one word, one mantar or one whole shabad. It is not even the chanting of the entire GGS. There are those who have taken the meaning of Jaap to levels low and beyond logic. They have mis-understood the title of Guru Nanak’s banee Japji to mean – Japo Jee – “come let’s chant jee”. They thus either repetitiously chant the special composition just before Japji begins on page one of the GGS (Ek Oankgar, Satnam, Karta Purakh, Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal Moorat, Ajooni Saibhang, Gurparsaad) or the salok immediately after Japji begins (Aad Sach Jogaad Sach, Hai Bhee Sach, Nanak Hosee Bhee Sach). They have self-created a name for these verses – Mool Mantar and (erroneously) concluded that the word “Jap” is a command by Guru Nanak for the Sikh to chant these verses. The very fact that the word “Jap” (with an aungkar to the p) is a singular noun (and NOT a verb) and denotes the title of the banee we call Japji escapes such people. Mantars are meant to be chanted indeed. That is perhaps the underlying reason why those bent on chanting it have transfixed the term Mantar to these verses. While there may be nothing inherently wrong in using the term Mool Mantar as nomenclature for the starting verses (just as we have, on our own, named the final banee in the GGS as ਭੋਗਾਂ ਦੇ ਸਲੋਕ Bhogan Dey Salok), it is a different thing altogether to allot a spiritual position (mool) and a spiritual function (Mantar meant to be chanted) where none was intended by the author (Guru) of the verse concerned. The phrase Ek Oangkar till Gurparsaad appears 33 times in the GGS, and if all its shorter versions are counted, it appears 569 times. The verses “Aad Sach Jugad Sach…” appear twice in the GGS. The word “Mool” or “Mantar” or “Mool Mantar” does not appear anywhere within the vicinity of these 569 or 2 verses respectively. In other words, the authors of the two verses (Guru Nanak and Guru Arjun respectively) did not regard them as ‘mantras” and did not term them as such. They also did not regard them as “mool” or root, because to do that would be to classify Gurbani verses in an order of importance. All of Gurbani within the 1430 pages – irrespective of the author – Guru or Bhagat or Sikh – is all “mool”.

    As if to prove their fixation with “mantars”, Sikhs have invented another non-Gurbani term namely “Gurmantar.” They quote a verse from Bhai Gurdas ji which reads: Wahe Guru Gur Mantar Hai, Jup Haumai Khoee. The correct interpretation of this verse is: O Wondrous Guru, You (Gur) are my Mantar, Knowing You /Contemplating on You (Jup) I have lost my ego. The error happens when the words Gur and mantar are combined to make it into one new word – Gurmantar. The other often quoted “verse” reads as follows: ਸਾਰ ਮੰਤਰ ਚਾਰੌ ਕਾ ਚਾਰ। ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਮੰਤਰ ਨਿਰਧਾਰ॥ ਕਲਪ ਕਲਪ ਪ੍ਰਤ ਅਖਛਰ ਕਹੀ। ਸਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਪਾਯੋ ਸਹੀ। The meaning: The right mantar for the four ages. Waheguru Mantar is the savior. Contemplation upon contemplations resulted in its composition. Guru Nanak caused it to be rightly chanted. There are two points worth considering here. Firstly, this “verse” is from the Sarab Loh Granth – NOT the Guru Granth. Secondly, as stated above Guru Nanak did not use the word “Waheguru” even once in his entire banee. So how could he have caused it to be chanted if he himself never even used it. Third, Guru Nanak’s definition of “Jup” and “Jaap” is in his own composition that we call Jupji. In that banee, no where does he talk about “Japayeo.”


    Then there is the matter of the “techniques” – all of which have been critiqued by Gurbani as ritualistic and pretentious pakhand. Unfortunately some Sikhs have become entangled in these techniques as the end all of Sikhi. It never fails to surprise the average intellect that while we perform all other important things with our eyes open, the most important aspect of spirituality – Simran- is to done with the eyes shut and the lights off. It is Chanting that requires these pre-requisites. But Gurbani says on page 1420 of the GGS: ਨਾਇ ਸੁਣਿਐ ਘਟਿ ਚਾਨਣਾ ਆਨ@ੇਰੁ ਗਵਾਵੈ ॥ (ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੨੪੦) meaning that the Naam is such an illumination, that listening to it dispels inner darkness. Why then do we put the condition of outer darkness in our spiritual activity of Naam Simran? Is it because we have distorted the meanings and understanding of the concepts of Jaap and Naam Simran?


    What then is Naam Simran in essence? Let’s refer to some verses from Gurbani. The fifth Guru says on page 803 of the GGS: ਸਿਮਰਿ ਮਨਾ ਰਾਮ ਨਾਮੁ ਚਿਤਾਰੇ ॥ The first point therefore is that Simran is the process of applying the mind to the remembrance of God by contemplation of His virtues. The term Simar Mna – is worth pondering over. It is to be done by the mind. There are a myriad of ways in which God can be remembered and contemplated upon. Talking about Him, listening to someone talk about Him, reading about Him, discussing Him are all acts of Simran. This essay, because it is discussing Him is Simran both in the act of writing and reading. Needless to say, both activities are done with the eyes open and lights switched on. Yet the best and Guru-recommended method of remembering God and to contemplate on Him is to read, listen, sing, discuss, understand, help others understand, and to walk the path as laid out in Gurbani. The GGGS has a verse on page 296 : ਗੁਣ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਨਾਮ ਧੁਨਿ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ Meaning Naam is the virtues of God (ਗੁਣ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ), and these virtues are found in the reading, listening and singing (ਧੁਨਿ) of Gurbani. Another verse on page 973 makes it clear: ਸਿਮਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਹਰਿ ਮਨਿ ਗਾਈਐ ॥ ਇਹੁ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਪਾਈਐ meaning the singing ਗਾਈਐ of Gods virtues with application of the mind ਮਨਿ ਗਾਈਐ is Simran. And that such Simran (remembrance) comes from the True Guru (Gurbani). The second point therefore is that the basis of Naam Simran in Sikhi is Gurbani that is contained within the 1430 pages. The third point relating to Naam Simran can be found in another verse on GGS page 1222. ਸ੍ਰਵਣੀ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਇਹੁ ਸਾਧ ਕੋ ਆਚਾਰੁ ॥ Meaning that the Kirtan of Gurbani is a beautiful method (ਆਚਾਰੁ) of undertaking the Simran of God. The fourth point can be found in a verse of Guru Arjun on page 262 of the GGS: ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਾ ਸਿਮਰਨੁ ਸਾਧ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ॥ ਸਰਬ ਨਿਧਾਨ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਰੰਗਿ ॥ Meaning, to join the sadh sangat and to do the things that are undertaken in a sangat (listen, sing, discuss, understand, appreciate Gods’ virtues) is the Simran of the Master. The fifth point concerns concentration – what or where to place one’s mind ਧਿਆਨ while performing Simran. Because Simran in Sikhi is Gurbani based, and every single verse of Gurbani contains deep meaning, the understanding of which requires full concentration, the mind has to focus on the Gurbani words themselves and not some external object. Guru Nanak says on page 1075 of the GGS: ਕਲਜੁਗ ਮਹਿ ਕੀਰਤਨੁ ਪਰਧਾਨਾ ॥ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਪੀਐ ਲਾਇ ਧਿਆਨਾ ॥ Meaning: within the Jaap of the Gurmukh, Kirtan is of highest order (ਕੀਰਤਨ ਪਰਧਾਨਾ) and the concentration (ਧਿਆਨਾ) must remain within the Kirtan itself.

    From the above five point discussion it can be surmised that Naam Simran of a Sikh is to be undertaken at two distinct levels. The first is as an individualized and personal activity and the second an institutionalized activity within the confines of the sangat. Yet the basis of both levels is Gurbani. Personal Simran entails reading Gurbani, performing Nit Nem, committing as much Gurbani as possible to memory (so as to internalize the message at some point within one’s life), researching the meanings of Gurbani, singing Gurbani, discussing and sharing Gurbani messages within the family and circle of friends, contemplating deeply on the messages of Gurbani, putting the messages into daily existence, internalizing the values within Gurbani etc. At the institutional level, Simran entails joining the sangat in Kirtan, the discourse of Gurbani (Katha) and using the sangat atmosphere (diwan) to expand on ones inner understanding, appreciation and contemplation of Gurbani messages.

    Equating Naam Simran to chanting, labeling it meditation and touting the “benefits” of such chanting is to miss the point of the spirituality of Sikh Simran all together. “I feel peaceful, rested, relaxed, tension free etc” are some of the benefits that one hears about from the practitioners of chanting Satnam or Waheguru or the Mool Mantar. These (and many others) are physical benefits that can come about from chanting just about anything or any word or even nothing, meditating on something or nothing at all. The benefits are the results of reduced brain activity, reduced muscle tensions and slowed breathing that accompany chanting. Repeating the same thing over and over requires little or no mental effort hence the relaxation. Yet these are physical activities with purely physical benefits. In any case chanting already existed within existing spiritual systems – Hindus, Yogis and Budhists chanted all sorts of mantars. If all Guru Nanak did was to replace their mantars with his own, then what was special, unique or different about Sikhi? The reality is that Sikh Simran is a spiritual activity of a higher realm all together. The benefits of Naam Simran are of the highest order - to be Guru-like and God-like.


    Sikhi is a journey which is Gurbani- centred. Sikh Simran is similarly Gurbani-centred. Gurbani is the soul of Sikhi. The third Guru says on page 982 of the GS : ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥ Everything that is Sikhi is within Gurbani. The God of Sikhi is also within Gurbani. ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥ (ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਪੰਨਾ ੫੧੬)[ The mantar of Sikhi is Gurbani too, as versed on page 562 of the GGS: ਸਚੁ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਤੁਮਾਰਾ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ and again on page 1208: ਬਾਣੀ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਮਹਾ ਪੁਰਖਨ ਕੀ ਮਨਹਿ ਉਤਾਰਨ ਮਾਂਨ ਕਉ ॥ ਖੋਜਿ ਲਹਿਓ ਨਾਨਕ ਸੁਖ ਥਾਨਾਂ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮਾ ਬਿਸ੍ਰਾਮ ਕਉ ॥ (ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਪੰਨਾ ੧੨੦੮)। The Jaap of a Sikh is also Gurbani, as versed on page 192 of the GGS: ਜਪਿ ਮਨ ਮੇਰੇ ਗੋਵਿੰਦ ਕੀ ਬਾਣੀ ॥ It thus simply can’t be that Sikh Simran be anything other than Gurbani or outside of Gurbani. And because Gurbani is spiritual, the benefits of Naam Simran are also spiritual.


    It would be an irony of ironies to look for the definition, techniques and methods of Naam Simran outside of Gurbani. Yet the irony is prevalent. One such ironical occasion witnessed by the author is worth narrating given that it became the inspiration for this essay. An acclaimed Ragi Jatha was given an hour to perform Gurbani Kirtan in a local Gurdwara. They rendered 4 shabads in the most beautiful melodies, appropriate raags and intricate taals complete with parmaans (illustrations) from the GGS. They completed the final Shabad just when there were 3 -4 minutes left and proceeded to announce to the sangat ਸਾਧ ਸੰਗਤ ਜੀ, ਤਿੰਨ ਚਾਰ ਮਿੰਟ ਬਾਕੀ ਹਨ, ਆਉ ਹੁਣ ਸਿਮਰਨ ਕਰੀਏ। Sadh sangat we have 3-4 minutes left NOW lets do some simran. They then proceeded to chant Waheguru Waheguru, Waheguru Waheguru inviting the sangat to join their chanting. If this is indeed Simran, then what was it they did for the 57 minutes where they sang Gurbani? When I pointed out to them privately later that the REAL SIMRAN was within the 57 minutes of their Kirtan and not the final 3-4 which was ਰਟਨ or chanting, their response was feeble, shabby and pathetic: “that is how the sangat understands simran, the sangat wants it that way, it pleases the sangat” was their response. I proceeded to ask if it was too much effort on their part to ask if that was how Gurbani explained simran, how the Gurus wanted Simran to be, and if the chanting pleased the Guru. Their final response: that is how they had been doing it all along. My final response: if spiritual beings are going to keep doing what they have been doing all along, there would be no need for our Gurus, their Gurbani and Sikhi even. We could have just kept throwing water at the sun then. We could have just kept dipping ourselves in the countless rivers to cleanse ourselves. And we could have just kept watering the pippal trees. Irony has to have its limits.


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    Oh dear !
    :mundafacepalm:I'm a pakhandi and have not been doing Real Simran :singhfacepalm:
    What now ??:kudifacepalm:
     
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    Reread all posts by Tejwant Singh ji on the subject. All about living simran not doing simran.
     
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    Great article. It's unfortunate that 95% of Sikhs are happy to do the mentioned chanting. Flicking through Sikh channels it's hard not to find the chanting, 50 day, 24 hour simran sessions in order for good luck, or some other wanted change. The number of parcharak's promoting this are in abundance.

    I always feel a bit cheated going to the Gurdwara for someone to spent 10-15+ minutes just chanting instead of delving into the deep ocean of pearls Guru Granth Sahib ji. I mean they can't complain that they don't have enough content to use!
     
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    become a baba?
     
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    How to do Simran?

    VaheguruJiKaKhalsa|VaheguruJiKiFateh||

    I have a question that I hope someone here can help me with. I want to do Simran, and have tried many times, but I always seem to end up back to square one. Either I'm not doing it right, or something else is missing.

    I have asked this question to a lot of people and the answer I always get has to do with the mechanics (e.g. "Breathe from your belly", "Say Vahhh on the inhale, and Gurrrroooo on the exhale", "Do Simran at such-and-such time, or in such-and-such pose", etc.)

    But my real question is not about the mechanics. I want to know, how to actually *do* Simran. I know it's more than just sitting and reciting a word mechanically like a parrot while your mind is off wandering anywhere and everywhere. And I know it's more than just "meditating" or "focusing" or "concentrating" on God. How do you "focus" on God anyway? What are you supposed to center your attention on? He has no attributes, no form, no color, no shape, no definable material qualities. And the mind relies on material qualities to make sense of the world. For example, if you say "temperature", then there is a concept I can wrap my thinking around. It's 80 degrees Fahrenheit. Got it. But if you say, "meditate on an undefinable characteristic", my mind is just going to wander, and then I will daydream and eventually be thinking about my chores and to-do list, and what is due at work, and the car needs maintenance, etc. etc.

    So basically what I'm asking is, how exactly is a Sikh supposed to do Simran? What should be going on in the mind? And how do we do it, exactly? It's more than just the lips and mouth moving and saying "Vaheguru" repeatedly. This is the part I'm missing. What should go on in the mind? And how do we make it happen? I have an inkling that this is beyond willpower and focus/concentration. But I could be wrong.

    I read in the 4th Pauri of japji Sahib:

    ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਵੇਲਾ ਸਚੁ ਨਾਉ ਵਡਿਆਈ ਵੀਚਾਰੁ ॥
    Amriṯ velā sacẖ nā▫o vadi▫ā▫ī vīcẖār.
    In the Amrit Vaylaa, the ambrosial hours before dawn, chant the True Name, and contemplate His Glorious Greatness.

    So, the message is, vichar karo. So I tried that. I got up at 5am and after showering and dressing, I sat and contemplated, according to my intelligence, what I considered the greatness of God. I thought about the planet Earth and all the lifeforms on Earth, and how they all lived, and then I considered our galaxy, the Milky Way, and then I expanded my thoughts to the entire Universe, and how vast it was, and all the stellar phenomena we know about, and I thought about the Supreme Being that architected all of this creation. Is this Simran? Is this what is meant by, "Vichar" in the tuk above? Or am I just not understanding it correctly?

    Would love to get some advice on this from anyone who can help me.

    Thank you in advance.

    Guru Fateh!
     
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    Have a look at some of the meditation threads on here.
    But you must have the hunger and thirst for it if you really want to make a good start.
     
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    Meditation is not simran. Simran is not meditation. Always keep that in mind ActsOGod. The word "simran" is remembrance, keeping in mind, staying attuned to..."Simar" the verb is active; remember, keep in mind, focus upon, stay tuned. Simran is not a mind at rest but an enlivened mind mind seeking its true home through the shabad.

    Simran is not mindlessness. It is not chanting and reciting. Simran can be found following the message of Gurbani, when we focus on the Guru's word by feeding the hungry or soothing a crying child. Mindlessness will not find your place in the Guru.

    This is a very inspirational essay about simran "Simran with the Seagulls." http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/26992-simran-with-the-seagulls.html
     
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    :grinningsingh: I assumed actsofgod was inquiring about naam simran, which is in practice meditating on the naam.:winkingmunda:
     
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    So what does that leave you with? What difference does it make whether ActsOGod is asking about naam simran or asking about simran?

    I think we can see from the lead article that naam simran, as a repetitious activity, chanting without any focus on the Shabad Guru, is not consistent with face-to-the-Guru Sikhi. Face-to-the-Guru is literally putting your face toward the Guru: reading Gurbani, reciting Gurbani, listening to Gurbani, and finding the Guru and the Guru's word in the active lives and act of living itself.

    Chanting almost anything will accord someone the benefits of meditation. It would not be necessary for us to chant or meditate on the naam to qualify as meditation or derive the benefits of meditation.

    Chanting mantras and Waheguru's name is actually discouraged in Gurbani, Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
     
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    It's time for me to go and meditate.
    Adios
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    I think you mean naam japna (not sure if that's the right word.. naam japo maybe?), as opposed to naam simran. What do you think of that?

    ActsOfGod ji, I really appreciated your post!! I have the exact same questions! At the moment, almost every morning I'm reading page after page of English translation of Gurbani in my sehaj paath. I have found this habit to have the most impact on me spiritually so far, in my time as a Sikh. Much more impact that early morning "naam japna / meditation" ever had.

    I think this might be part of the puzzle. The next part is keeping the rememberance of those divine qualities in your mind all the time like Karminder Singh's article says at the beginning of this article. This is actually really hard to do.

    Those are my observations so far, I hope they're helpful to you veerji. :welcomekaur:
     
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    you only need to try and remember something if you''re being told that you've forgoton something...

    something inside you is trying to give you a nudge...a feeling that all around you isn;t the full story...

    your focus though is still on the outside...your Guru (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) says focus a little time on the inside and you may start to uncover the real truth...not what you thought was the truth...

    so how do i remember, how do i do Simran, if i don;t really know what it is i'm supposed to be remembering?

    Guru Ji says control the mind that is pulling you around by the hair...and 'listen'

    but what am i listening out for? i can't hear anything...there's too much aymospheric noise (the mind chatting, worrying, desiring, hating, chasing) .. i can't hear anything... i don;t remember anything....i'm lost! but i will perservere, i can;t get rid of this 'pull' inside of me...i need to keep focus and ask Guru ji (internal Guru) to come and take hold of my hand.

    i close my eyes, the shabad (from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) helps me keep focus, with every wavering thought, i pull back towards the shabad "No! MIND, quit your crap, i aint interested" The shabad that sounds so sweet, the pull inside your heart combine...but the mind keeps trying to pull you back to thoughts of sex, anger, greed, desire...

    ...then one day, when the mind sits still (quietens), in the silence experienced between your thoughts, your understanding of reality literally turns upside down...little by little pebbles of truth begin to unfold...

    and with even more patience, ardass, love, the remembering starts to manifest...who am i....who am i...wow....wahhh waheguru....waheguru....wondrous guru!
     
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    Thanks for all your input...

    Does this mean to say that repeating "Waheguru" over and over again as we've been taught to do is actually not prescribed by Gurbani? It's so habitual now that I just say "Waheguru" repeatedly whenever I'm driving or standing in line or doing some chores, etc.

    Still very confused about how to actually do simran. And what did Guru Nanak Sahib mean in japji Sahib when he wrote "Amrit Vayla such nao vadiai vichar". I got the first part, Amrit Vayla, but the second part, how exactly should one do vichar? Help please from anyone who can shed any light on this.

    Guru Fateh!
     
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    That is correct ! Who taught you that you should do that ? Ask them to explain their reasons with the same careful detail used by Dr. Karminder Singh ji who explains why simran is a whole different story. Shabad Guru teaches us when we are looking for a teacher.

    Using the Shabad to prove points is like going to class to tell the teacher what to teach.

    Now you also asked how to do vichaar? And your answer is really in your question. Read Shabad Guru with a curious mind, an open mind, and make that your simran. What is the shabad saying to you? When you become comfortable noting ideas that come up over and again, and when you start to notice things that seem to be contradictions too, write all of that down. Seek your answers by deeper study. It all comes in steps and your understanding will change. It helps to find a place, a sangat, for discussion of your ideas. Learn Gurmukhi and read the shabad in Punjabi when you can. Listen to the kirtan of the shabads you read. There are also on-line classes that are free to study SGGS. Team up with others who are learning too and discuss your thoughts and reactions. The most important thing in my opinion is not to be afraid to ask questions.
     
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    I give below relevant of extracts from Sikh Rehat Maryada. May be it is helpful.

    Sikh Reht Maryada
    SIKH CODE OF CONDUCT AND CONVENTIONS
    Section One

    CHAPTER 1
    The Definition of Sikh

    . CHAPTER II
    Section Two

    Sikh Living
    Articles II
    A Sikh's life has two aspects :
    individual or personal and corporate or Panthic.

    CHAPTER III
    A Sikh's Personal Life
    Article III

    A Sikh's personal life should comprehend:-
    i. Meditation on Nam (Divine Substance, also translated as the God's attributed self) and the scriptures,
    ii. Leading life according to the Guru's teachings and
    iii. Altruistic voluntary service.

    Meditating on Nam (Divine Substance) and Scriptures
    Article IV


    1. A Sikh should wake up in the ambrosial hours (three hours before the dawn), take bath and, concentrating his/her thoughts on One Immortal Being, repeat the name Waheguru (Wondrous Destroyer of darkness).
    2. He/she should recite the following scriptural compositions every day :
    a. The Japu, the Jaapu and the Ten Sawayyas (Quartets) - beginning "Sarwag sudh"-- in the morning.
    b. Sodar Rehras comprising the following compositions:-
    i) nine hymns of the Guru Granth Sahib, occuring in the holy book after the Japuji Sahib, (The Phrase in Italic has been interpolated by the translator to help locate the hymns more conveniently.) the first of which begins with "Sodar" and the last of which ends with "saran pare ki rakho sarma",
    ii) The Benti Chaupai of the tenth Guru (beginning "hamri karo hath dai rachha" and ending with "dusht dokh te leho bachai",
    iii) the Sawayya beginning with the words "pae gahe jab te tumre",
    iv) the Dohira beginning with the words "sagal duar kau chhad kai".
    v) the first five and the last pauris (stanzas) of anand Sahib (The object of reciting the Anand as part of Sodar Rehras or at the conclusion of the congregational gathering is just to express joy and gratitude for the communion with the Guru ) and.
    vi) the Mundawani and the slok Mahla 5 beginning "tera kita jato nahi"- in the evening after sunset.
    (c) The Sohila - to be recited at night before going to bed. The morning and evening recitations should be concluded with the Ardas (formal supplication litany).

    3 (a)The text (This is a model of the Ardas. It may be adapted to different occasions and for different purposes. However, the initial composition with "Pritham Bhagauti......" and the concluding phrases commencing "Nanak Nam" must not be altered.) of the Ardas : (LIT. Supplication or prayer. in reality, It is a litany comprehending very briefly the whole gamut of Sikh History and enumerating all that Sikhism holds sacred. Portions of it are invocations and prayer for the grant of strength and virtue. It concludes with : O Nanak, may the Nam (Holy) be ever in ascendance : in Thy will, may the good of all prevail !

    One absolute Manifest; victory belongeth to the Wondrous Destroyer of darkness. May the might of the All-powerful help!

    Ode to his might by the tenth lord.

    Having first thought of the Almighty's prowess, let us think of Guru Nanak. Then of Guru Angad, Amardas and Ramdas - may they be our rescuers! Remember, then, Arjan, Hargobind and Har Rai. Meditate then on revered Har Krishan on seeing whom all suffering vanishes. Think then of Teg Bahadar, remembrance of whom brings all nine treasures. He comes to rescue every where. Then of the tenth Lord, revered Guru Gobind Singh, who comes to rescue every where. The embodiment of the light of all ten sovereign lordships, the Guru Granth - think of the view and reading of it and say, "Waheguru (Wondrous Destroyer of Darkness)".

    Meditating on the achievement of the dear and truthful ones, including the five beloved ones, the four sons of the tenth Guru, forty liberated ones, steadfast ones, constant repeaters of the Divine Name, those given to assiduous devotion, those who repeated the Nam, shared their fare with others, ran free kitchen, wielded the sword and everlooked faults and shortcomings, say "Waheguru", O Khalsa.

    Meditating on the achievement of the male and female members of the Khalsa who laid down their lives in the cause of Dharma (religion and righteousness), got their bodies dismembered bit by bit, got their skulls sawn off, got mounted on spiked wheels, got their bodies sawn, made sacrifices in the service of the shrines (Gurdwaras), did not betray their faith, sustained their adherence to the Sikh faith with unshorn hair uptill their last breath, say "Wondrous Destroyer of darkness", O Khalsa.

    Thinking of the five thrones (of sikh religious authority) and all Gurdwaras, say "Wondrous Destroyer of darkness", O Khalsa.

    Now it is the prayer of the whole Khalsa, May the conscience of the whole Khalsa be informed by Waheguru, Waheguru, Waheguru and, in consequence of such remembrance, may total well-being obtain. Wherever there are communities of the Khalsa, may there be Divine protection and grace, the ascendance of the supply of needs and of the holy sword, Protection of the tradition of grace, victory of the Panth, the succour of the holy sword, ascendance of the Khalsa. Say, O Khalsa, "Wondrous Destroyrer of darkness."

    Unto the Sikhs the gift of the Sikh faith, the gift of the untrimmed hair, the gift of the discipline of their faith, the gift of sense of discrimination, the gift of trust, the gift of confidence, above all, the gift of meditation on the Divine and bath in Amritsar (holy tank of Harmander Sahib, Amritsar). May hymns-singing missionary parties, the flags, the hostels, abide from age to age. May righteousness reign supreme. Say, "Wondrous Destroyer of darkness."

    May the Khalsa be imbued with humility and high wisdom! May Waheguru guard its understanding!
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    Taranjeet singh ji

    I don't see any fundamental contradiction. The rehat as you have copied it says "repeat" the name of Waheguru. It doesn't say "chant" Waheguru over and over again.

    If I open my eyes, and begin my day, with a call "Waheguru" I have repeated the name.

    The remaining portions you have highlighted in blue don't sit in contradiction either because they are indeed requiring Sikhs to study and take the deep meaning of the events of Sikh hitory and the shabad close to heart. In that sense the shabad becomes the object of contemplation, meditation, focus and simran. The martyrdom of the gurus and sants, the sacrifices made at the holy thrones of Sikhism have lessons that can guide actions in the day that follows. This requires an active mind that is engaged in making a connection with something greater than oneself, and is not seeking to vacate oneself of thought , as a morning ritual, or as a ritual for any time of the day.

    There is no sense of ritual at all.

    Are you are taking this at its literal meaning of repeating the name

    There is little historical evidence that the five beloved, four sahibzhadey, forty liberated ones, steadfast ones were "constant repeaters of the Divine Name" as in doing the Waheguru chant. What words did they use for the name? No one can produce historical documents to answer. Yet indeed they must have had the Divine Name always in their hearts and on their tongues. I get more of a picture of faith in action, in their example and in the SRM, than endless chanting. What else could this mean?

    A example that might fit the days in which we live. A devastating cyclone has swept over the Philippines. A dedicated group like United Sikhs may chose to locate their resources: doctors, nurses, teachers, cooks, food kitchens, blankets, medicines. They arrive; they set up tents; they begin the arduous matter of reaching the victims in hard to reach places. They made a personal sacrifice of the comforts of home and family. So with every breath they remember Waheguru. They say Waheguru when they land, when they unpack, when they plan, when they open the first food kitchen and serve hot meals, when they send off their trucks, when they open their eyes the morning after their arrival, when they give the first cholera injection, when they go to sleep at night, and on and on. An entire day can be an act of meditation which causes us to merge with Waheguru in ways quite different from repetitive chanting. Following in the path of the shaheeds one can be a model of steadfast doing and being the jyote of Waheguru.
     
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    Spnadmin ji,

    It is indeed a pleasure to read your posts as these are clearly authored.It is our privilege to assimilate new ideas and new things. In partial response to your post as above my response is as follows.

    There are two school of thoughts in the matter under discussion, one that believes in Jap, simran and dhyana i.e chanting, remembering and meditation and the other that believes exclusively on contemplation of Bani and shabads as discussed below.
    There is an over lap between the terms Simran and Dhayana. Context decides the same.

    The first school of thought believes in Naam Japna in literal sense i.e chanting waheguru and contemplating Bani.To some of them contemplation is restricted to gathering the meaning of Nitnem Paaths and assimilating the the message contained therein. The second school believes in contemplation of Bani and shabad etc. that the learned author has opined in the First post.

    There is no clear cut definition of Naam in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji. We are , therefore, handicapped irrespective of the school that we belong to. Nonetheless, one should have a justification to explain the view point without advocating as to which method one should follow. It is open for the aspirant to follow any method. As this is fairly sensitive matter I take your permission to give a structured reply in due course of time as it may not be easy for me to finish the reading of Electronic copy of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji within short period of time. It may be treated as an interim reply.

    I also believe that there are senior members who belong to the second school of thoughts and they may be right in their own way as they might have found justification in what they practice. I do respect their opinion.


    Note:I do hope that you would be conversant with Gurbani Grammar and Punjabi language as my post shall not be discussing this aspect as it is difficult to express the view point on these matters.

    Regards....
     
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    Taranjeet singh ji

    There are at least 2 schools of though and perhaps more. I do not completely understand your message but will work on it. Dr. Karminder Singh ji has not taken a stand against reciting the shabad; he has taken a stand against the mindlessness of repetition. Doesn't he make the point that a mind has to be present in order to receive the shabad. Or am I thinking of a different thread?

    It might feel words are "insensitive" when the repetition model of simran is criticized. However, with enough gurmat focus criticism is reasonable. If critiques are ruled out of order another form of mindlessness takes over. No matter what someone says, everyone else is heard to respond like evangelical Christians, "Amen, Deacon, Amen" just to side-step hurt sentiments. Mature minds should be able to handle differences of opinion.
     
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