Nanak Is The Guru, Nanak Is The Lord Himself

[Astroboy]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Kaur-1 Ji,

Simar manna part.

 

[kaur-1]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

I am sorry I am feeling rather "thick" today.

OK. but after reading Balbirs rather confusing post sevaral times all I decipher from the part about "simar mannar" is that he is against reading Gurbani for eg. Japji Sahib more then once! (repetition). (I thought the use of the word "decipher" was most appropriate here)

Please explain if I have misunderstood the msg he is trying to convey.

Please also explain why he is saying that Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is not preaching. Isnt Gurbani "Gurmat"?

Please also explain his comment "Imitating them may disturb them".


p/s This is the beautiful shabad link you have posted. Does it also mean that it is wrong to sing the shabad kirtan link you provided all day if I wanted to?

simar manaa raam naam chitaaray​

iblwvlu mhlw 5 ] (803-18)
bilaaval mehlaa 5.
Bilaaval, Fifth Mehl:
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BUly mwrgu ijnih bqwieAw ]
bhoolay maarag jineh bataa-i-aa.
He places the one who strays back on the Path;
AYsw guru vfBwgI pwieAw ]1]
aisaa gur vadbhaagee paa-i-aa. ||1||
such a Guru is found by great good fortune. ||1||
ismir mnw rwm nwmu icqwry ]
simar manaa raam naam chitaaray.
Meditate, contemplate the Name of the Lord, O mind.
bis rhy ihrdY gur crn ipAwry ]1] rhwau ]
bas rahay hirdai gur charan pi-aaray. ||1|| rahaa-o.
The Beloved Feet of the Guru abide within my heart. ||1||Pause||
kwim k®oiD loiB moih mnu lInw ]
kaam kroDh lobh mohi man leenaa.
The mind is engrossed in sexual desire, anger, greed and emotional attachment.
bMDn kwit mukiq guir kInw ]2]
banDhan kaat mukat gur keenaa. ||2||
Breaking my bonds, the Guru has liberated me. ||2||
duK suK krq jnim Puin mUAw ]
dukh sukh karat janam fun moo-aa.
Experiencing pain and pleasure, one is born, only to die again.
crn kml guir AwsRmu dIAw ]3]
charan kamal gur aasram dee-aa. ||3||
The Lotus Feet of the Guru bring peace and shelter. ||3||
Agin swgr bUfq sMswrw ]
agan saagar boodat sansaaraa.
The world is drowning in the ocean of fire.
nwnk bwh pkir siqguir insqwrw ]4]3]8]
naanak baah pakar satgur nistaaraa. ||4||3||8||
O Nanak, holding me by the arm, the True Guru has saved me. ||4||3||8||

 

[AmbarDhara]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

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The true Gurus are singing Truth in ecstasy. Imitating them may disturb them specially when someone does not know the origin of their Hymns and notes.
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I have not found one instant where Gurdev has suggested one to repeat their written Hymns to achieve any material or spiritual goal
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What will happen to a person if someone goes on repeating a suggestion from Gurdev in somebody's ears. Should a person go on repeating suggestions from the reverend Gurus, for example 'simar manaa'?
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Powerful words spoken by Balbir Singh Jee.

Gurbani tells us to do Kirtan.
Namjap Ji I thought you teach Kirtan, am I wrong?

I remember reading all raag tatkraa by you in a thread.
You were recomending that to GurbaniSangeet wale also, just a few days ago.



Gurbani in Raags? for what?

OOPS
Raagi Harjinder Singh Ji is actually repeating the suggestions of Guru Ji. Thanks Namjap Ji.

 

[AmbarDhara]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

I hope I am talking to the same namjap who created the Raag Tatkaraa, who teaches kirtan, share Gurbani with us and provide Kirtan Links all the time. I hope.

 

[Sardara123]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Sardara Ji,

Tusi kyu chinta karde o
God is everywhere. Keep your cool and calmness. We are all learning from each other's presence.

Nanak Chinta Mat Karo.
Click here > Unknown - Nanak Chinta Mat Karo

Originally Posted by Balbir Singh
Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakaal!
Dear all and Surinder Jee!

Quote "So Veer Balbir Singh Ji are you suggesting Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is preaching us wrong............ Wow.."
Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee is not preaching. The true Gurus are singing Truth in ecstasy. Imitating them may disturb them specially when someone does not know the origin of their Hymns and notes.

I have not found one instant where Gurdev has suggested one to repeat their written Hymns to achieve any material or spiritual goal. May I ask why so many lectures are available on Internet from Baabaas suggesting to repeat Japujee or other Paaths even Akhand Paaths? Please do not sell this behavior on the name of true Gurus. This is not Sikhi.
What will happen to a person if someone goes on repeating a suggestion from Gurdev in somebody's ears. Should a person go on repeating suggestions from the reverend Gurus, for example 'simar manaa'?
These Baabaas are the living examples of ignorance. Exactly so funny are their explanations.

This is not the Sikhi. True Gurus have given to the world.

Sri Guru Granth Sahib is one of the most valuable God's Gifts to humankind. Rarely someone has understood it, in my experience.

I may be leaving tomorrow for the true Guru's Mission. I wish all great Satsangs in coming days also.


Balbir Singh

Powerful words spoken by Balbir Singh Jee.
Bhai Harjinder Singh Ji (Srinagar Wale) - Simar Manaa Ram Naam Chitare

Tuhadi Muraad kehree sikhyaa hai(what are you intending to teach):

1. Kirtan of Gurbani recomended by you - I will be repeating Bani there(listen/sing)
2. Renunciation of Bani Repetition recomended by you

Please explain both in detail.
To me it looks like opposites of each other. Me moorakh may be stupid.
How can I listen/sing keertan and then how not listen/sing keertan AT THE SAME TIME- HOW DO WE DO IT?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Astroboy]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Gurbani tells us to do Kirtan.
Namjap Ji I thought you teach Kirtan, am I wrong?

I remember reading all raag tatkraa by you in a thread.
You were recomending that to GurbaniSangeet wale also, just a few days ago.



Gurbani in Raags? for what?

OOPS
Raagi Harjinder Singh Ji is actually repeating the suggestions of Guru Ji. Thanks Namjap Ji.

Ambar Ji,

I'm grateful you've checked Kirtan Tatkara which I gave to Gurbani Sangeet wale as reference.

Kaur-1 Ji,

As you can see from my replies to Balbir Singh Ji's various posts, I'm not in agreement with his style of queries. It is better for Balbir Singh Ji to answer your queries which seem doubtful to you.

To All Sadh Sangat Ji,

It's amazing how the swan picks only the pearls from the mud and turn it into a beautiful kirtan session.

Dya Singh (Australia) - Aavo Sikh Satgur Ke Pyareo

 

[AmbarDhara]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Sukhmani Sahib Ji:

"Jin Prabh Jaata su sobhavant"
Those who know the Lord are Glorious.


See you all in a few months

be

 

[Randip Singh]

Re: Is it So??????????????????????????//

In order to deabte this properly let us have the entire shabad from page 864 and tranlitration, not just one liners:


ਗੋਂਡ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
गोंड महला ५ ॥
Gond mehlā 5.
Gond, Fifth Mehl:

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥
गुर की मूरति मन महि धिआनु ॥
Gur kī mūraṯ man meh ḏẖi­ān.
Meditate on the image of the Guru within your mind;

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨ ॥
गुर कै सबदि मंत्रु मनु मान ॥
Gur kai sabaḏ manṯar man mān.
let your mind accept the Word of the Guru's Shabad, and His Mantra.

ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਚਰਨ ਰਿਦੈ ਲੈ ਧਾਰਉ ॥
गुर के चरन रिदै लै धारउ ॥
Gur kė cẖaran riḏai lai ḏẖāra­o.
Enshrine the Guru's feet within your heart.

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਸਦਾ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੧॥
गुरु पारब्रहमु सदा नमसकारउ ॥१॥
Gur pārbarahm saḏā namaskāra­o. ||1||
Bow in humility forever before the Guru, the Supreme Lord God. ||1||

ਮਤ ਕੋ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲੈ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥
मत को भरमि भुलै संसारि ॥
Maṯ ko bẖaram bẖulai sansār.
Let no one wander in doubt in the world.

ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨੁ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
गुर बिनु कोइ न उतरसि पारि ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Gur bin ko­ė na uṯras pār. ||1|| rahā­o.
Without the Guru, no one can cross over. ||1||Pause||

ਭੂਲੇ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
भूले कउ गुरि मारगि पाइआ ॥
Bẖūlė ka­o gur mārag pā­i­ā.
The Guru shows the Path to those who have wandered off.

ਅਵਰ ਤਿਆਗਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤੀ ਲਾਇਆ ॥
अवर तिआगि हरि भगती लाइआ ॥
Avar ṯi­āg har bẖagṯī lā­i­ā.
He leads them to renounce others, and attaches them to devotional worship of the Lord.

ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕੀ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਮਿਟਾਈ ॥
जनम मरन की त्रास मिटाई ॥
Janam maran kī ṯarās mitā­ī.
He obliterates the fear of birth and death.

ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਵਡਾਈ ॥੨॥
गुर पूरे की बेअंत वडाई ॥२॥
Gur pūrė kī bė­anṯ vadā­ī. ||2||
The glorious greatness of the Perfect Guru is endless. ||2||

ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਊਰਧ ਕਮਲ ਬਿਗਾਸ ॥
गुर प्रसादि ऊरध कमल बिगास ॥
Gur parsāḏ ūraḏẖ kamal bigās.
By Guru's Grace, the inverted heart-lotus blossoms forth,

ਅੰਧਕਾਰ ਮਹਿ ਭਇਆ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸ ॥
अंधकार महि भइआ प्रगास ॥
Anḏẖkār meh bẖa­i­ā pargās.
and the Light shines forth in the darkness.

ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਆ ਸੋ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥
जिनि कीआ सो गुर ते जानिआ ॥
Jin kī­ā so gur ṯė jāni­ā.
Through the Guru, know the One who created you.

ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਮੁਗਧ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੩॥
गुर किरपा ते मुगध मनु मानिआ ॥३॥
Gur kirpā ṯė mugaḏẖ man māni­ā. ||3||
By the Guru's Mercy, the foolish mind comes to believe. ||3||

ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु करता गुरु करणै जोगु ॥
Gur karṯā gur karṇai jog.
The Guru is the Creator; the Guru has the power to do everything.

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु परमेसरु है भी होगु ॥
Gur parmėsar hai bẖī hog.
The Guru is the Transcendent Lord; He is, and always shall be.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਇਹੈ ਜਨਾਈ ॥
कहु नानक प्रभि इहै जनाई ॥
Kaho Nānak parabẖ ihai janā­ī.
Says Nanak, God has inspired me to know this.

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਭਾਈ ॥੪॥੫॥੭॥
बिनु गुर मुकति न पाईऐ भाई ॥४॥५॥७॥
Bin gur mukaṯ na pā­ī­ai bẖā­ī. ||4||5||7||
Without the Guru, liberation is not obtained, O Siblings of Destiny. ||4||5||7||

ਗੋਂਡ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
गोंड महला ५ ॥
Gond mehlā 5.
Gond, Fifth Mehl:

ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਨ ਮੋਰ ॥
गुरू गुरू गुरु करि मन मोर ॥
Gurū gurū gur kar man mor.
Chant Guru, Guru, Guru, O my mind.

ਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਮੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਹੋਰ ॥
गुरू बिना मै नाही होर ॥
Gurū binā mai nāhī hor.
I have no other than the Guru.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਟੇਕ ਰਹਹੁ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤਿ ॥
गुर की टेक रहहु दिनु राति ॥
Gur kī tėk rahhu ḏin rāṯ.
I lean upon the Support of the Guru, day and night.

ਜਾ ਕੀ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਮੇਟੈ ਦਾਤਿ ॥੧॥
जा की कोइ न मेटै दाति ॥१॥
Jā kī ko­ė na mėtai ḏāṯ. ||1||
No one can decrease His bounty. ||1||

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ ॥
गुरु परमेसरु एको जाणु ॥
Gur parmėsar ėko jāṇ.
Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जो तिसु भावै सो परवाणु ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Jo ṯis bẖāvai so parvāṇ. ||1|| rahā­o.
Whatever pleases Him is acceptable and approved. ||1||Pause||

ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣੀ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਗੈ ॥
गुर चरणी जा का मनु लागै ॥
Gur cẖarṇī jā kā man lāgai.
One whose mind is attached to the Guru's feet -

ਦੂਖੁ ਦਰਦੁ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਭਾਗੈ ॥
दूखु दरदु भ्रमु ता का भागै ॥
Ḏūkẖ ḏaraḏ bẖaram ṯā kā bẖāgai.
his pains, sufferings and doubts run away.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਪਾਏ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
गुर की सेवा पाए मानु ॥
Gur kī sėvā pā­ė mān.
Serving the Guru, honor is obtained.

ਗੁਰ ਊਪਰਿ ਸਦਾ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੁ ॥੨॥
गुर ऊपरि सदा कुरबानु ॥२॥
Gur ūpar saḏā kurbān. ||2||
I am forever a sacrifice to the Guru. ||2||

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥
गुर का दरसनु देखि निहाल ॥
Gur kā ḏarsan ḏėkẖ nihāl.
Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Guru's Darshan, I am exalted.

ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਪੂਰਨ ਘਾਲ ॥
गुर के सेवक की पूरन घाल ॥
Gur kė sėvak kī pūran gẖāl.
The work of the Guru's servant is perfect.

ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕਉ ਦੁਖੁ ਨ ਬਿਆਪੈ ॥
गुर के सेवक कउ दुखु न बिआपै ॥
Gur kė sėvak ka­o ḏukẖ na bi­āpai.
Pain does not afflict the Guru's servant.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਦਹ ਦਿਸਿ ਜਾਪੈ ॥੩॥
गुर का सेवकु दह दिसि जापै ॥३॥
Gur kā sėvak ḏah ḏis jāpai. ||3||
The Guru's servant is famous in the ten directions. ||3||

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
गुर की महिमा कथनु न जाइ ॥
Gur kī mahimā kathan na jā­ė.
The Guru's glory cannot be described.

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥
पारब्रहमु गुरु रहिआ समाइ ॥
Pārbarahm gur rahi­ā samā­ė.
The Guru remains absorbed in the Supreme Lord God.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਭਾਗ ॥
कहु नानक जा के पूरे भाग ॥
Kaho Nānak jā kė pūrė bẖāg.
Says Nanak, one who is blessed with perfect destiny -

ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣੀ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਗ ॥੪॥੬॥੮॥
गुर चरणी ता का मनु लाग ॥४॥६॥८॥
Gur cẖarṇī ṯā kā man lāg. ||4||6||8||
his mind is attached to the Guru's feet. ||4||6||8||

ਗੋਂਡ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
गोंड महला ५ ॥
Gond mehlā 5.
Gond, Fifth Mehl:

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ॥
गुरु मेरी पूजा गुरु गोबिंदु ॥
Gur mėrī pūjā gur gobinḏ.
I worship and adore my Guru; the Guru is the Lord of the Universe.

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਭਗਵੰਤੁ ॥
गुरु मेरा पारब्रहमु गुरु भगवंतु ॥
Gur mėrā pārbarahm gur bẖagvanṯ.
My Guru is the Supreme Lord God; the Guru is the Lord God.

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਦੇਉ ਅਲਖ ਅਭੇਉ ॥
गुरु मेरा देउ अलख अभेउ ॥
Gur mėrā ḏė­o alakẖ abẖė­o.
My Guru is divine, invisible and mysterious.

ਸਰਬ ਪੂਜ ਚਰਨ ਗੁਰ ਸੇਉ ॥੧॥
सरब पूज चरन गुर सेउ ॥१॥
Sarab pūj cẖaran gur sė­o. ||1||
I serve at the Guru's feet, which are worshipped by all. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਮੈ ਥਾਉ ॥
गुर बिनु अवरु नाही मै थाउ ॥
Gur bin avar nāhī mai thā­o.
Without the Guru, I have no other place at all.

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
अनदिनु जपउ गुरू गुर नाउ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
An­ḏin japa­o gurū gur nā­o. ||1|| rahā­o.
Night and day, I chant the Name of Guru, Guru. ||1||Pause||

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥
गुरु मेरा गिआनु गुरु रिदै धिआनु ॥
Gur mėrā gi­ān gur riḏai ḏẖi­ān.
The Guru is my spiritual wisdom, the Guru is the meditation within my heart.

ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਭਗਵਾਨੁ ॥
गुरु गोपालु पुरखु भगवानु ॥
Gur gopāl purakẖ bẖagvān.
The Guru is the Lord of the World, the Primal Being, the Lord God.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸਰਣਿ ਰਹਉ ਕਰ ਜੋਰਿ ॥
गुर की सरणि रहउ कर जोरि ॥
Gur kī saraṇ raha­o kar jor.
With my palms pressed together, I remain in the Guru's Sanctuary.

ਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਮੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਹੋਰੁ ॥੨॥
गुरू बिना मै नाही होरु ॥२॥
Gurū binā mai nāhī hor. ||2||
Without the Guru, I have no other at all. ||2||

ਗੁਰੁ ਬੋਹਿਥੁ ਤਾਰੇ ਭਵ ਪਾਰਿ ॥
गुरु बोहिथु तारे भव पारि ॥
Gur bohith ṯārė bẖav pār.
The Guru is the boat to cross over the terrifying world-ocean.

ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਜਮ ਤੇ ਛੁਟਕਾਰਿ ॥
गुर सेवा जम ते छुटकारि ॥
Gur sėvā jam ṯė cẖẖutkār.
Serving the Guru, one is released from the Messenger of Death.

ਅੰਧਕਾਰ ਮਹਿ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਉਜਾਰਾ ॥
अंधकार महि गुर मंत्रु उजारा ॥
Anḏẖkār meh gur manṯar ujārā.
In the darkness, the Guru's Mantra shines forth.

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਗਲ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ॥੩॥
गुर कै संगि सगल निसतारा ॥३॥
Gur kai sang sagal nisṯārā. ||3||
With the Guru, all are saved. ||3||

ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਪਾਈਐ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ॥
गुरु पूरा पाईऐ वडभागी ॥
Gur pūrā pā­ī­ai vadbẖāgī.
The Perfect Guru is found, by great good fortune.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਦੂਖੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੀ ॥
गुर की सेवा दूखु न लागी ॥
Gur kī sėvā ḏūkẖ na lāgī.
Serving the Guru, pain does not afflict anyone.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਨ ਮੇਟੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
गुर का सबदु न मेटै कोइ ॥
Gur kā sabaḏ na mėtai ko­ė.
No one can erase the Word of the Guru's Shabad.

ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੭॥੯॥
गुरु नानकु नानकु हरि सोइ ॥४॥७॥९॥
Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. ||4||7||9||
Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||



The last line is Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. Har soe? Does that not mean Guru Nanak is that?


If Guru Nanak "is that"? What "is that"? Is it that he is God or he is so perfect that he is merged with God and hence a Gurmukh?

 

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Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Sukhmani Sahib Ji:

"Jin Prabh Jaata su sobhavant"
Those who know the Lord are Glorious.


See you all in a few months

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Sweet Ambar, you will be missed.

We will stay .


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Re: Is it So??????????????????????????//

In order to deabte this properly let us have the entire shabad from page 864 and tranlitration, not just one liners:


ਗੋਂਡ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
गोंड महला ५ ॥
Gond mehlā 5.
Gond, Fifth Mehl:

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਮਨ ਮਹਿ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥
गुर की मूरति मन महि धिआनु ॥
Gur kī mūraṯ man meh ḏẖi­ān.
Meditate on the image of the Guru within your mind;

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸਬਦਿ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨ ॥
गुर कै सबदि मंत्रु मनु मान ॥
Gur kai sabaḏ manṯar man mān.
let your mind accept the Word of the Guru's Shabad, and His Mantra.

ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਚਰਨ ਰਿਦੈ ਲੈ ਧਾਰਉ ॥
गुर के चरन रिदै लै धारउ ॥
Gur kė cẖaran riḏai lai ḏẖāra­o.
Enshrine the Guru's feet within your heart.

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਸਦਾ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੧॥
गुरु पारब्रहमु सदा नमसकारउ ॥१॥
Gur pārbarahm saḏā namaskāra­o. ||1||
Bow in humility forever before the Guru, the Supreme Lord God. ||1||

ਮਤ ਕੋ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲੈ ਸੰਸਾਰਿ ॥
मत को भरमि भुलै संसारि ॥
Maṯ ko bẖaram bẖulai sansār.
Let no one wander in doubt in the world.

ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨੁ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰਿ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
गुर बिनु कोइ न उतरसि पारि ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Gur bin ko­ė na uṯras pār. ||1|| rahā­o.
Without the Guru, no one can cross over. ||1||Pause||

ਭੂਲੇ ਕਉ ਗੁਰਿ ਮਾਰਗਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
भूले कउ गुरि मारगि पाइआ ॥
Bẖūlė ka­o gur mārag pā­i­ā.
The Guru shows the Path to those who have wandered off.

ਅਵਰ ਤਿਆਗਿ ਹਰਿ ਭਗਤੀ ਲਾਇਆ ॥
अवर तिआगि हरि भगती लाइआ ॥
Avar ṯi­āg har bẖagṯī lā­i­ā.
He leads them to renounce others, and attaches them to devotional worship of the Lord.

ਜਨਮ ਮਰਨ ਕੀ ਤ੍ਰਾਸ ਮਿਟਾਈ ॥
जनम मरन की त्रास मिटाई ॥
Janam maran kī ṯarās mitā­ī.
He obliterates the fear of birth and death.

ਗੁਰ ਪੂਰੇ ਕੀ ਬੇਅੰਤ ਵਡਾਈ ॥੨॥
गुर पूरे की बेअंत वडाई ॥२॥
Gur pūrė kī bė­anṯ vadā­ī. ||2||
The glorious greatness of the Perfect Guru is endless. ||2||

ਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ਊਰਧ ਕਮਲ ਬਿਗਾਸ ॥
गुर प्रसादि ऊरध कमल बिगास ॥
Gur parsāḏ ūraḏẖ kamal bigās.
By Guru's Grace, the inverted heart-lotus blossoms forth,

ਅੰਧਕਾਰ ਮਹਿ ਭਇਆ ਪ੍ਰਗਾਸ ॥
अंधकार महि भइआ प्रगास ॥
Anḏẖkār meh bẖa­i­ā pargās.
and the Light shines forth in the darkness.

ਜਿਨਿ ਕੀਆ ਸੋ ਗੁਰ ਤੇ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥
जिनि कीआ सो गुर ते जानिआ ॥
Jin kī­ā so gur ṯė jāni­ā.
Through the Guru, know the One who created you.

ਗੁਰ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਤੇ ਮੁਗਧ ਮਨੁ ਮਾਨਿਆ ॥੩॥
गुर किरपा ते मुगध मनु मानिआ ॥३॥
Gur kirpā ṯė mugaḏẖ man māni­ā. ||3||
By the Guru's Mercy, the foolish mind comes to believe. ||3||

ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु करता गुरु करणै जोगु ॥
Gur karṯā gur karṇai jog.
The Guru is the Creator; the Guru has the power to do everything.

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु परमेसरु है भी होगु ॥
Gur parmėsar hai bẖī hog.
The Guru is the Transcendent Lord; He is, and always shall be.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਪ੍ਰਭਿ ਇਹੈ ਜਨਾਈ ॥
कहु नानक प्रभि इहै जनाई ॥
Kaho Nānak parabẖ ihai janā­ī.
Says Nanak, God has inspired me to know this.

ਬਿਨੁ ਗੁਰ ਮੁਕਤਿ ਨ ਪਾਈਐ ਭਾਈ ॥੪॥੫॥੭॥
बिनु गुर मुकति न पाईऐ भाई ॥४॥५॥७॥
Bin gur mukaṯ na pā­ī­ai bẖā­ī. ||4||5||7||
Without the Guru, liberation is not obtained, O Siblings of Destiny. ||4||5||7||

ਗੋਂਡ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
गोंड महला ५ ॥
Gond mehlā 5.
Gond, Fifth Mehl:

ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਮਨ ਮੋਰ ॥
गुरू गुरू गुरु करि मन मोर ॥
Gurū gurū gur kar man mor.
Chant Guru, Guru, Guru, O my mind.

ਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਮੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਹੋਰ ॥
गुरू बिना मै नाही होर ॥
Gurū binā mai nāhī hor.
I have no other than the Guru.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਟੇਕ ਰਹਹੁ ਦਿਨੁ ਰਾਤਿ ॥
गुर की टेक रहहु दिनु राति ॥
Gur kī tėk rahhu ḏin rāṯ.
I lean upon the Support of the Guru, day and night.

ਜਾ ਕੀ ਕੋਇ ਨ ਮੇਟੈ ਦਾਤਿ ॥੧॥
जा की कोइ न मेटै दाति ॥१॥
Jā kī ko­ė na mėtai ḏāṯ. ||1||
No one can decrease His bounty. ||1||

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਏਕੋ ਜਾਣੁ ॥
गुरु परमेसरु एको जाणु ॥
Gur parmėsar ėko jāṇ.
Know that the Guru and the Transcendent Lord are One.

ਜੋ ਤਿਸੁ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਪਰਵਾਣੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
जो तिसु भावै सो परवाणु ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
Jo ṯis bẖāvai so parvāṇ. ||1|| rahā­o.
Whatever pleases Him is acceptable and approved. ||1||Pause||

ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣੀ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਗੈ ॥
गुर चरणी जा का मनु लागै ॥
Gur cẖarṇī jā kā man lāgai.
One whose mind is attached to the Guru's feet -

ਦੂਖੁ ਦਰਦੁ ਭ੍ਰਮੁ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਭਾਗੈ ॥
दूखु दरदु भ्रमु ता का भागै ॥
Ḏūkẖ ḏaraḏ bẖaram ṯā kā bẖāgai.
his pains, sufferings and doubts run away.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਪਾਏ ਮਾਨੁ ॥
गुर की सेवा पाए मानु ॥
Gur kī sėvā pā­ė mān.
Serving the Guru, honor is obtained.

ਗੁਰ ਊਪਰਿ ਸਦਾ ਕੁਰਬਾਨੁ ॥੨॥
गुर ऊपरि सदा कुरबानु ॥२॥
Gur ūpar saḏā kurbān. ||2||
I am forever a sacrifice to the Guru. ||2||

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਦਰਸਨੁ ਦੇਖਿ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥
गुर का दरसनु देखि निहाल ॥
Gur kā ḏarsan ḏėkẖ nihāl.
Gazing upon the Blessed Vision of the Guru's Darshan, I am exalted.

ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕੀ ਪੂਰਨ ਘਾਲ ॥
गुर के सेवक की पूरन घाल ॥
Gur kė sėvak kī pūran gẖāl.
The work of the Guru's servant is perfect.

ਗੁਰ ਕੇ ਸੇਵਕ ਕਉ ਦੁਖੁ ਨ ਬਿਆਪੈ ॥
गुर के सेवक कउ दुखु न बिआपै ॥
Gur kė sėvak ka­o ḏukẖ na bi­āpai.
Pain does not afflict the Guru's servant.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸੇਵਕੁ ਦਹ ਦਿਸਿ ਜਾਪੈ ॥੩॥
गुर का सेवकु दह दिसि जापै ॥३॥
Gur kā sėvak ḏah ḏis jāpai. ||3||
The Guru's servant is famous in the ten directions. ||3||

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਕਥਨੁ ਨ ਜਾਇ ॥
गुर की महिमा कथनु न जाइ ॥
Gur kī mahimā kathan na jā­ė.
The Guru's glory cannot be described.

ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਰਹਿਆ ਸਮਾਇ ॥
पारब्रहमु गुरु रहिआ समाइ ॥
Pārbarahm gur rahi­ā samā­ė.
The Guru remains absorbed in the Supreme Lord God.

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਾ ਕੇ ਪੂਰੇ ਭਾਗ ॥
कहु नानक जा के पूरे भाग ॥
Kaho Nānak jā kė pūrė bẖāg.
Says Nanak, one who is blessed with perfect destiny -

ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣੀ ਤਾ ਕਾ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਗ ॥੪॥੬॥੮॥
गुर चरणी ता का मनु लाग ॥४॥६॥८॥
Gur cẖarṇī ṯā kā man lāg. ||4||6||8||
his mind is attached to the Guru's feet. ||4||6||8||

ਗੋਂਡ ਮਹਲਾ ੫ ॥
गोंड महला ५ ॥
Gond mehlā 5.
Gond, Fifth Mehl:

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰੀ ਪੂਜਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਬਿੰਦੁ ॥
गुरु मेरी पूजा गुरु गोबिंदु ॥
Gur mėrī pūjā gur gobinḏ.
I worship and adore my Guru; the Guru is the Lord of the Universe.

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਭਗਵੰਤੁ ॥
गुरु मेरा पारब्रहमु गुरु भगवंतु ॥
Gur mėrā pārbarahm gur bẖagvanṯ.
My Guru is the Supreme Lord God; the Guru is the Lord God.

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਦੇਉ ਅਲਖ ਅਭੇਉ ॥
गुरु मेरा देउ अलख अभेउ ॥
Gur mėrā ḏė­o alakẖ abẖė­o.
My Guru is divine, invisible and mysterious.

ਸਰਬ ਪੂਜ ਚਰਨ ਗੁਰ ਸੇਉ ॥੧॥
सरब पूज चरन गुर सेउ ॥१॥
Sarab pūj cẖaran gur sė­o. ||1||
I serve at the Guru's feet, which are worshipped by all. ||1||

ਗੁਰ ਬਿਨੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨਾਹੀ ਮੈ ਥਾਉ ॥
गुर बिनु अवरु नाही मै थाउ ॥
Gur bin avar nāhī mai thā­o.
Without the Guru, I have no other place at all.

ਅਨਦਿਨੁ ਜਪਉ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰ ਨਾਉ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
अनदिनु जपउ गुरू गुर नाउ ॥१॥ रहाउ ॥
An­ḏin japa­o gurū gur nā­o. ||1|| rahā­o.
Night and day, I chant the Name of Guru, Guru. ||1||Pause||

ਗੁਰੁ ਮੇਰਾ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਰਿਦੈ ਧਿਆਨੁ ॥
गुरु मेरा गिआनु गुरु रिदै धिआनु ॥
Gur mėrā gi­ān gur riḏai ḏẖi­ān.
The Guru is my spiritual wisdom, the Guru is the meditation within my heart.

ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਪਾਲੁ ਪੁਰਖੁ ਭਗਵਾਨੁ ॥
गुरु गोपालु पुरखु भगवानु ॥
Gur gopāl purakẖ bẖagvān.
The Guru is the Lord of the World, the Primal Being, the Lord God.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸਰਣਿ ਰਹਉ ਕਰ ਜੋਰਿ ॥
गुर की सरणि रहउ कर जोरि ॥
Gur kī saraṇ raha­o kar jor.
With my palms pressed together, I remain in the Guru's Sanctuary.

ਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਨਾ ਮੈ ਨਾਹੀ ਹੋਰੁ ॥੨॥
गुरू बिना मै नाही होरु ॥२॥
Gurū binā mai nāhī hor. ||2||
Without the Guru, I have no other at all. ||2||

ਗੁਰੁ ਬੋਹਿਥੁ ਤਾਰੇ ਭਵ ਪਾਰਿ ॥
गुरु बोहिथु तारे भव पारि ॥
Gur bohith ṯārė bẖav pār.
The Guru is the boat to cross over the terrifying world-ocean.

ਗੁਰ ਸੇਵਾ ਜਮ ਤੇ ਛੁਟਕਾਰਿ ॥
गुर सेवा जम ते छुटकारि ॥
Gur sėvā jam ṯė cẖẖutkār.
Serving the Guru, one is released from the Messenger of Death.

ਅੰਧਕਾਰ ਮਹਿ ਗੁਰ ਮੰਤ੍ਰੁ ਉਜਾਰਾ ॥
अंधकार महि गुर मंत्रु उजारा ॥
Anḏẖkār meh gur manṯar ujārā.
In the darkness, the Guru's Mantra shines forth.

ਗੁਰ ਕੈ ਸੰਗਿ ਸਗਲ ਨਿਸਤਾਰਾ ॥੩॥
गुर कै संगि सगल निसतारा ॥३॥
Gur kai sang sagal nisṯārā. ||3||
With the Guru, all are saved. ||3||

ਗੁਰੁ ਪੂਰਾ ਪਾਈਐ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ॥
गुरु पूरा पाईऐ वडभागी ॥
Gur pūrā pā­ī­ai vadbẖāgī.
The Perfect Guru is found, by great good fortune.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸੇਵਾ ਦੂਖੁ ਨ ਲਾਗੀ ॥
गुर की सेवा दूखु न लागी ॥
Gur kī sėvā ḏūkẖ na lāgī.
Serving the Guru, pain does not afflict anyone.

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਨ ਮੇਟੈ ਕੋਇ ॥
गुर का सबदु न मेटै कोइ ॥
Gur kā sabaḏ na mėtai ko­ė.
No one can erase the Word of the Guru's Shabad.

ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੭॥੯॥
गुरु नानकु नानकु हरि सोइ ॥४॥७॥९॥
Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. ||4||7||9||
Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||



The last line is Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. Har soe? Does that not mean Guru Nanak is that?


If Guru Nanak "is that"? What "is that"? Is it that he is God or he is so perfect that he is merged with God and hence a Gurmukh?

Randip Ji thanks for sharing Beautiful Gurbani.

Randip Ji, What is merging with God? In my understanding from the above Shabad and the rest of Gurbani- No difference left. Differentiating means - I am ignoring Guru Bachan.

A few lines above Guru(for das every line of Gurbani is Guru) says-


ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਸਦਾ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੧॥
गुरु पारब्रहमु सदा नमसकारउ ॥१॥
Gur pārbarahm saḏā namaskāra­o. ||1||
Bow in humility forever before the Guru, the Supreme Lord God. ||1||

He also says:


ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु करता गुरु करणै जोगु ॥
Gur karṯā gur karṇai jog.
The Guru is the Creator; the Guru has the power to do everything.

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु परमेसरु है भी होगु ॥
Gur parmėsar hai bẖī hog.
The Guru is the Transcendent Lord; He is, and always shall be.


Thanks for sharing Guru/Guru-Bachan.

Gur Gur Eko Ves Anaik. No difference if I call Him- Nanak or Waheguru or Gobind Singh Granth Sahib. All is Guru Guru Guru. Thanks

VERY SORRY FOR HURTING ANY BODY'S BELIEFS THOSE DONT GO IN LINE WITH me neech's neech beliefs- I said what Guru Ji is teaching me every moment- GUR PARMESAR NAHI BHED .

Tuhada Das
Yograj

 

[Astroboy]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Ambar Ji,

If you're in the mood of debate, take it up with my Forum Team Leader, Sardar Randip Singh Ji. He can take all of you with his little finger. There's only one way to find out.

Either you're in or you're out - the guts required are in your court.

May the best man win. Good Luck.

As for me, I will share more Kirtan with you if you decide to stay on.

Dya Singh (Australia) - Mith Bolera Har Sajan Suami

 

[Randip Singh]

Re: Is it So??????????????????????????//

Randip Ji thanks for sharing Beautiful Gurbani.

Randip Ji, What is merging with God? In my understanding from the above Shabad and the rest of Gurbani- No difference left. Differentiating means - I am ignoring Guru Bachan.

A few lines above Guru(for das every line of Gurbani is Guru) says-


ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਸਦਾ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੧॥
गुरु पारब्रहमु सदा नमसकारउ ॥१॥
Gur pārbarahm saḏā namaskāra­o. ||1||
Bow in humility forever before the Guru, the Supreme Lord God. ||1||

He also says:


ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਤਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਕਰਣੈ ਜੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु करता गुरु करणै जोगु ॥
Gur karṯā gur karṇai jog.
The Guru is the Creator; the Guru has the power to do everything.

ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਹੈ ਭੀ ਹੋਗੁ ॥
गुरु परमेसरु है भी होगु ॥
Gur parmėsar hai bẖī hog.
The Guru is the Transcendent Lord; He is, and always shall be.


Thanks for sharing Guru/Guru-Bachan.

Gur Gur Eko Ves Anaik. No difference if I call Him- Nanak or Waheguru or Gobind Singh Granth Sahib. All is Guru Guru Guru. Thanks

VERY SORRY FOR HURTING ANY BODY'S BELIEFS THOSE DONT GO IN LINE WITH me neech's neech beliefs- I said what Guru Ji is teaching me every moment- GUR PARMESAR NAHI BHED .

Tuhada Das
Yograj

The point I am trying to make is as follows:

1) Do not take one line out of shabad and quote it or the shabad gets distorted.

2) Guru means several things in Sikhi and Bani, Guru = Teacher, Guru = Our Guru's (Guru Nanak) and Guru = God. In order to understand what Guru means in a certain line Bani must be read in context i.e. do not take one line out of a Shabad.

3) The deabte was getting off track. I quoted the original shabad from which the original line was quoted.

Now going back to the debate:

After reading the entire shabad as I have quoted above, the last line is:

ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੭॥੯॥
गुरु नानकु नानकु हरि सोइ ॥४॥७॥९॥
Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. ||4||7||9||
Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||

Now does Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. mean Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself.?

Or is there something lost in translation? For me there is something lost in translation. For me Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. does not mean Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself . It is more like Guru Nanak "is that" or "all of the above", ie.e the qualities of a Gurmukh and the Gurmukh that is merged with God but not God himself?

 

[pk70]

Re: Is it So??????????????????????????//

The point I am trying to make is as follows:

1) Do not take one line out of shabad and quote it or the shabad gets distorted.

2) Guru means several things in Sikhi and Bani, Guru = Teacher, Guru = Our Guru's (Guru Nanak) and Guru = God. In order to understand what Guru means in a certain line Bani must be read in context i.e. do not take one line out of a Shabad.

3) The deabte was getting off track. I quoted the original shabad from which the original line was quoted.

Now going back to the debate:

After reading the entire shabad as I have quoted above, the last line is:

ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੭॥੯॥
गुरु नानकु नानकु हरि सोइ ॥४॥७॥९॥
Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. ||4||7||9||
Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||

Now does Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. mean Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself.?

Or is there something lost in translation? For me there is something lost in translation. For me Gur Nānak Nānak har so­ė. does not mean Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself . It is more like Guru Nanak "is that" or "all of the above", ie.e the qualities of a Gurmukh and the Gurmukh that is merged with God but not God himself?

Randip Singh ji

I must appreciate your understanding of Gurbani in the context of a Shabad in its totality.by taking few line from here and there and taking meaning of a few words literally, people can establish a new religion but that will not be what Satguru Nanak has taught.
Thanks again.

 

[kaur-1]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Ambar Ji,

He can take all of you with his little finger. There's only one way to find out.

Either you're in or you're out - the guts required are in your court.

Only Akal Purakh can take anyone out. If you are refering to Guts then please have some guts and budh to reply to our last few queries to you.

p/s: BTW I am not ganging up on you.

When I metha thek to Guru ji (Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji) I dont see a difference between Akal Purakh and Guru ji - Eternal Shabad Guru.

Eka bani ek guru eko shabad vichar

 

[Astroboy]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Forum Rule No. 10 is applicable in Ambar Ji's case.

10. Personal Attacks or Sect Bashing: Do not engage in personal attacks or sect bashing. HATE MESSAGES WILL BE REMOVED WITHOUT NOTICE.

 

[kaur-1]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

I do not like arguments too. Gives me hearburn.. he he he

I guess naam jap the confusion arose when you quoted the whole of Balbirs post rather then just the words/tuks "simar manna" that inspired you.

I am going to leave it as that and move on.

 

[Astroboy]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

I quoted the whole post to see who picks the pearls out of it and who goes for the dirt. Sorry I have to say this because the way 'they' were going on - 'my path' and 'your path' being in opposite directions - calling Pk70's path as Koor (dirt) - I put them to a test. Heh heh

I'm not saying this as Moderator.

 

[Sikh80]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Dear Randeep ji,

Thanks for your posts. The thread has become slightly contentious. Regarding my initial doubt that is in post one , it stands to reason that I stick to the philosophy that God is one and the entire attributes of the God are summed up very nicely in The Mool Mantra and the philosphy of sikhism is reflected in Jap ji sahib.

We all have the right of interpreting the bani in a manner that it is in line with the entire sikh philosophy. You have answered my post but in a round about manner and and it would be kind of you if you could, in an explicit manner, opine if Guru nanak or for that matter Nanaks are 'waheguru'. Kindly remember if you answer is Yes, it would be against the sikhism as per that I have learnt and that is little.

Kindly reply briefly and in a pointed manner.



Regards.

 

[Sikh80]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Sikh Philosophy: The essence of Translations/interpretations


We shall be defeating the purpose of interpretation if the meaning assigned is not as per Sikh philosophy. If the meaning assigned does not fall in line with this theme of Sikhism the interpretation should be rechecked and may be rejected in preference to the meaning that is in alignment with the philosophy that is the intent of the Nanaks.

We have no right to change the philosophy lest this beautiful institution be subjected to irreparable damage as that we are posting here today would be read by many afterwards. It is with this thing in mind as well that we should draft our posts with caution.

Sikh80.


I have posted it separately as I feel that there are no guidelines for interpretation and let us not take bani free for all type of interpretations. We are all responsible for that we post as today or tomorrow we shall all learn the Truth, the essence. No one on this forum is Manmukh.

 

[pk70]

Re: Nanak is the Guru, Nanak is the Lord Himself.

Sikh80 ji
I am pleased to see you back !