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How to Recognize a Fake Preacher/Pop Up Guru/Fake Baba etc.

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by simpy, Jan 5, 2008.

  1. simpy

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    The foremost feature:

    This person generates a feeling of inferiority in others and shamlessly show off his/her own greatness. This person wants you to believe that he/she is the only one who is directly blessed by Guru/God.........................



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    suno siya kaljugmein kaala
    dhan aur kaale mann honge
    chora uchakke nagar setha aur
    prabhu bhakta nirdhan honge
    jo hoga lobhi aur bhogi
    vo jogi kehlaayega
     
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    jinna kar litta ishq eko noor vaste
    ohna disde wich sab de deed yaar de

    han firde fer oho gali-gali ban ramte
    jinna ho jande noori didaar yaar de

    main attey tu vich nahi rehnde fasle
    nimaaneyaan hi hunde ne visaal yaar de
     
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    Amar Ji,

    Beautiful andTouching. I'm going to forward this to a special person. Thanks.
     
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    LOL

    i bet you don't have a direct line to ur Yaar...

    prolly its some other seeker ;)
     
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    The reason why she's special is because she does unconditional sewa to the max in the gurdwara. But I can't be physically close to her.

    Kismat De Maare,
    Asee Ki Kareeye.
    Kismat Pe Kiska Zoar Hai

    Muhabbatan sachiya ne
    mangda naseebaN kuch aur hai
     
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    i hope u understand that Yaar is different ...atleast for me
     
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    Please explain !!!!
     
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    YouTube - Bhai Manpreet Singh - Sunn Yaar Humare Sajjan

    This Shabad is by Guru Arjan Dev Ji in Raag Jaithsree on Ang 703 of Sri Guru Granth Sahib

    ||Chhant:sun yaar hamaarae sajan eik karo baena(n)theeaa ||
    Listen, O my intimate friend - I have just one prayer to make.

    this mohan laal piaarae ho firo khoja(n)theeaa ||
    I have been wandering around, searching for that enticing, sweet Beloved.

    This dhas piaarae sir dhharee outhaarae eik bhoree dharasan dheejai ||
    Whoever leads me to my Beloved - I would cut off my head and offer it to him, even if I were granted the Blessed Vision of His Darshan for just an instant.

    nain hamaarae pria ra(n)g ra(n)gaarae eik thil bhee naa dhheereejai ||
    My eyes are drenched with the Love of my Beloved; without Him, I do not have even a moment's peace.

    prabh sio man leenaa jio jal meenaa chaathrik jivai thisa(n)theeaa ||
    My mind is attached to the Lord, like the fish to the water, and the rainbird, thirsty for the raindrops.

    jan naanak gur pooraa paaeiaa sagalee thikhaa bujha(n)theeaa ||1||
    Servant Nanak has found the Perfect Guru; his thirst is totally quenched.

    ||1||yaar vae pria habhae sakheeaa moo kehee n jaeheeaa ||
    O intimate friend, my Beloved has all these loving companions; I cannot compare to any of them.

    yaar vae hik ddoo(n) hik chaarrai ho kis chithaeheeaa ||
    O intimate friend, each of them is more beautiful than the others; who could consider me?

    hik dhoo(n) hik chaarrae anik piaarae nith karadhae bhog bilaasaa ||
    Each of them is more beautiful than the others; countless are His lovers, constantly enjoying bliss with Him.

    thinaa dhaekh man chaao out(h)a(n)dhaa ho kadh paaee gunathaasaa ||
    Beholding them, desire wells up in my mind; when will I obtain the Lord, the treasure of virtue?

    jinee maiddaa laal reejhaaeiaa ho this aagai man ddae(n)eheeaa ||
    I dedicate my mind to those who please and attract my Beloved.

    naanak kehai sun bino suhaagan moo dhas ddikhaa pir kaeheeaa ||2||
    Says Nanak, hear my prayer, O happy soul-brides; tell me, what does my Husband Lord look like?

    ||2||yaar vae pir aapan bhaanaa kishh neesee shha(n)dhaa ||
    O intimate friend, my Husband Lord does whatever He pleases; He is not dependent on anyone.

    yaar vae thai raaviaa laalan moo dhas dhasa(n)dhaa ||
    O intimate friend, you have enjoyed your Beloved; please, tell me about Him.

    laalan thai paaeiaa aap gavaaeiaa jai dhhan bhaag mathhaanae ||
    They alone find their Beloved, who eradicate self-conceit; such is the good destiny written on their foreheads.

    baa(n)h pakarr t(h)aakur ho ghidhhee gun avagan n pashhaanae ||
    Taking me by the arm, the Lord and Master has made me His own; He has not considered my merits or demerits.

    gun haar thai paaeiaa ra(n)g laal banaaeiaa this habho kishh suha(n)dhaa ||
    She, whom You have adorned with the necklace of virtue, and dyed in the deep crimson color of His Love - everything looks beautiful on her.

    jan naanak dhha(n)n suhaagan saaee jis sa(n)g bhathaar vasa(n)dhaa ||3||
    O servant Nanak, blessed is that happy soul-bride, who dwells with her Husband Lord.

    ||3||yaar vae nith sukh sukhaedhee saa mai paaee ||
    O intimate friend, I have found that peace which I sought.

    var lorreedhaa aaeiaa vajee vaadhhaaee ||
    My sought-after Husband Lord has come home, and now, congratulations are pouring in.

    mehaa ma(n)gal rehas thheeaa pir dhaeiaal sadh nav ra(n)geeaa ||
    Great joy and happiness welled up, when my Husband Lord, of ever-fresh beauty, showed mercy to me.

    vadd bhaag paaeiaa gur milaaeiaa saadhh kai sathasa(n)geeaa ||
    By great good fortune, I have found Him; the Guru has united me with Him, through the Saadh Sangat, the True Congregation of the Holy.

    aasaa manasaa sagal pooree pria a(n)k a(n)k milaaee ||
    My hopes and desires have all been fulfilled; my Beloved Husband Lord has hugged me close in His embrace.

    binava(n)th naanak sukh sukhaedhee saa mai gur mil paaee ||4||1||
    Prays Nanak, I have found that peace which I sought, meeting with the Guru. ||4||1||



    More:

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    YouTube - Meda Ishq vee tu - Abida Parveen
     
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    although you are free to use these lines i composed in any sense... its perspective you see.. :)
     
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    beautiful....

    jis ne didaar keeta uhi jaan sakda........


    Jithey jaae bahay mera satguru soee thaan suhavaa raam raajay..........
     
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    Another feature of pakhandies:


    The person represents himself to be either equal or superior to Guru Ji. This person redefines Gurbani by manipulating the language and words, in other words: makes an attempt to attack/compromise the truth, (Sikh philosophy). …………………….Will take one example of some failure and will impose it on the whole humanity(or at least on the whole community).

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    THE BEST ONE FOR TODAY:


    fake baba/fake preacher/cult leader or follower is always desperate to trick you into joining his/her group.


    anhonde jhagre gal paaee phirdaa.............

    Dhan Dhan Guru Ji da Hukam:

    ਪੂਰੇ ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਹੁਕਮੁ ਨ ਮੰਨੈ ਓਹੁ ਮਨਮੁਖੁ ਅਗਿਆਨੁ ਮੁਠਾ ਬਿਖੁ ਮਾਇਆ ॥ ਓਸੁ ਅੰਦਰਿ ਕੂੜੁ ਕੂੜੋ ਕਰਿ ਬੁਝੈ ਅਣਹੋਦੇ ਝਗੜੇ ਦਯਿ ਓਸ ਦੈ ਗਲਿ ਪਾਇਆ ॥




    more later..

    me neech humbly asking for everybody's forgiveness
     
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    Thanks. It's reminding me to be strong and have the ultimate goal in mind.

    I remember forwarding the same two videos to someone else in another fake baba forum in SPN.

    What goes around, comes around.

    Santokh
     
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    about fake babas:

    Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Granth Sahib Ji De Panaa # 1377:
    (more mataphoric talk)........

    kbIr jau quih swD iprMm kI pwky syqI Kylu ] (1377-10, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
    kabeer ja-o tuhi saaDh piramm kee paakay saytee khayl.
    Kabeer, if you desire to play the game of love with the Lord, play it with someone with committment.
    kwcI srsauN pyil kY nw Kil BeI n qylu ]240] (1377-11, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
    kaachee sarsa-uN payl kai naa khal bha-ee na tayl. ||240||
    Pressing the unripe mustard seeds produces neither oil nor flour. ||240||
    FUMFq folih AMD giq Aru cInq nwhI sMq ] (1377-11, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
    dhooNdhat doleh anDh gat ar cheenat naahee sant.
    Searching, the mortal stumbles like a blind person, and does not recognize the Saint.
    kih nwmw ikau pweIAY ibnu Bgqhu BgvMqu ]241] (1377-12, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
    kahi naamaa ki-o paa-ee-ai bin bhagtahu bhagvant. ||241||
    Says Naam Dayv, how can one obtain the Lord God, without His devotee? ||241||
    hir so hIrw Cwif kY krih Awn kI Aws ] (1377-12, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
    har so heeraa chhaad kai karahi aan kee aas.
    Forsaking the Diamond of the Lord, the mortals put their hopes in another.
    qy nr dojk jwihgy siq BwKY rivdws ]242] (1377-13, slok, Bgq kbIr jI)
    tay nar dojak jaahigay sat bhaakhai ravidaas. ||242||
    Those people shall go to hell; Ravi Daas speaks the Truth. ||242||



    Dhan Dhan Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaaj Sache Paatshah blessed us with Dhan Dhan Gurbani-'THE DIAMOND' RESPECT IT, LIVE IT TRUTHFULLY, THIS WILL BE THE TRUE SERVICE TOWARDS HIM...............


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    isK kry kir sbdu n cInY lµptu hY bwjwrI ] (1013-8, mwrU, mÚ 1)
    sikh karay kar sabad na cheenai lampat hai baajaaree.

    He teaches and preaches, but does not contemplate the Shabad; he is bought and sold on the street.
     
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    Surinder Ji,

    I was looking for the full shabad whereas I only remember one line as follows:-

    Har Ke Sant Na Akhiye,
    Banares Ke Thug
     
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    i know this one wait..........
     
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    Awsw ] (476-1)
    aasaa.
    Aasaa:
    gj swFy qY qY DoqIAw iqhry pwiein qg ] (476-1, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    gaj saadhay tai tai Dhotee-aa tihray paa-in tag.
    They wear loin cloths, three and a half yards long, and triple-wound sacred threads.
    glI ijn@w jpmwlIAw loty hiQ inbg ] (476-1, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    galee jinHaa japmaalee-aa lotay hath nibag.
    They have rosaries around their necks, and they carry glittering jugs in their hands.
    Eie hir ky sMq n AwKIAih bwnwris ky Tg ]1] (476-2, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    o-ay har kay sant na aakhee-ahi baanaaras kay thag. ||1||
    They are not called Saints of the Lord - they are thugs of Benares. ||1||
    AYsy sMq n mo kau Bwvih ] (476-2, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    aisay sant na mo ka-o bhaaveh.
    Such 'saints' are not pleasing to me;
    fwlw isau pyfw gtkwvih ]1] rhwau ] (476-2, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    daalaa si-o paydaa gatkaavahi. ||1|| rahaa-o.
    they eat the trees along with the branches. ||1||Pause||
    bwsn mWij crwvih aUpir kwTI Doie jlwvih ] (476-3, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    baasan maaNj charaaveh oopar kaathee Dho-ay jalaaveh.
    They wash their pots and pans before putting them on the stove, and they wash the wood before lighting it.
    bsuDw Koid krih duie cUly@ swry mwxs Kwvih ]2] (476-3, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    basuDhaa khod karahi du-ay choolHay saaray maanas khaaveh. ||2||
    They dig up the earth and make two fireplaces, but they eat the whole person! ||2||
    Eie pwpI sdw iPrih AprwDI muKhu Aprs khwvih ] (476-4, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    o-ay paapee sadaa fireh apraaDhee mukhahu apras kahaaveh.
    Those sinners continually wander in evil deeds, while they call themselves touch-nothing saints.
    sdw sdw iPrih AiBmwnI sgl kutMb fubwvih ]3] (476-5, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    sadaa sadaa fireh abhimaanee sagal kutamb dubaaveh. ||3||
    They wander around forever and ever in their self-conceit, and all their families are drowned. ||3||
    ijqu ko lwieAw iqq hI lwgw qYsy krm kmwvY ] (476-5, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    jit ko laa-i-aa tit hee laagaa taisay karam kamaavai.
    He is attached to that, to which the Lord has attached him, and he acts accordingly.
    khu kbIr ijsu siqguru BytY punrip jnim n AwvY ]4]2] (476-6, Awsw, Bgq kbIr jI)
    kaho kabeer jis satgur bhaytai punrap janam na aavai. ||4||2||
    Says Kabeer, one who meets the True Guru, is not reincarnated again. ||4||2||
     
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    And how to recognise true baba?
     

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