Explain This In Dasam Granth

[manbir]

Gurfateh

Das is giving translation by himslef which is done keeping in mind active and passive form of speech as description is in passive voice.

See the diffence between one with das and other given by Sister Harsimrat Kaur Ji.

das will explain the whole of Charitar in Kanjer Kavita part.



When doughter of Rich heard this.(end of page 1357)
she removed the feamloe friend by signal of eyes(from beating).
she went running to King.
Did utilisation of lust with greed/with embarracing(king)..23..
Popy,Cannabis and Alchohal was mixed.
Below/after that various seating arrangemtns/postures were made.
Kissed King took hugs.
It happened that Genital of him was givne into her female part/vagina..24..

When Genital of King was givven into Vagina.
Interest in the the mind/heart of the Young lady was grown.
With Greed and Greed/With Huging and Huging/with embracing and embracing hse went below the posture.
Her doing of kiss to King happened..25..
Held him again and Again and hug him.
postures were made to touch postures.

The two outer part of mouth/lips were made to contact another The two outer part of mouth/lips.
torsow/Two Breasts made contact to another torsow/Two Breasts..26..
she utilised the body of King in this way.
the way that clever ladies mind liked.
Then King was/was made good bye.
took way of other country(Lady)..27..
Seprated King after induging in SEx.
Such Charector did Clever lady did.
King did not tell to other men.What lady did kept in mind..28..
..Dohara..

After many days again king called that clever female.
she was made queen and kept in house(by King) and no one was able to find this treachury..29..1..

With my limited understanding of spirituality, I am unable to find anything useful in such verses.

I am appalled by the absurd logic of Sikhs who could call such writing as coming from our Guru. I cannot imagine any religious Guru can write such things and pass it on as having some spiritual meaning !!!

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Das request you to visit the thread of Kanjer Kavita by Das in contorversial debate where the fullest of that Charitar is so far ttanslated and will be explained soon.

Das would like to know that there are verse in Guru Granth Sahib Ji which talk about Barberic acts of Babbers and its ends but have more to do with Politics or Meeri then Sprituality or Peeri.

It sounds realy very ironical that our Bretherns who support Sirdar Sahib Kala Afghan Ji talk of spritulity while Sirdir Sahihb Ji himself are equaly concerned more with logic or physical think or say refrom in socity adn therefore they too oppose this part of Dasham Granth Sahib Ji thinking its Bad effects on Panth.

Das can say that it is mockery of Hindu or Muslims Kings of that time if you read the whole tranlation andd try to understand.

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikhphilosophy/controversial-debates/5784-kanjer-kavita-title-triya-charitars.html
As far spritulity is concerned till we do not have faith even like Many Maulanas who rember Holy Kuran as a whole by heart due to lack of faith kill innocnets while Sufis with faith just do good with the name of Allah.

So without Faith Whole Guru Granth Sahib Ji may by will of Akal could not help to gain sprituality but only one name of Akal can bring as main motto of Akal's taking form of Adi Guru Darbar is to bring Faith.

If faityh is not genrated for Akal after reading of Whole of Guru Granth Sahib Ji then it is will of Akal to deprive the faith in Akal.

 

[sher]

Well ME thinks that:
[1] Dasam Granth is a compilation of many authors including Guru Ji!
[2] Guru Ji in his wisdom made sure that these selections don't get into SGGSJ.
One reason might be the one you have indicated. The writings are about CHRITARS or 'Characters' and authors did their best to introduce general public in Gurmukhi about all the dif stuff. Call it understanding others!
[3] The writings aere remnants of 1000's of writing lost in River after Chamkaur and before Machiwara and these remnants were collected from here and there and slapped together. WHo knows what collection athey are from and who wrote them?
Maybe all of these are out of context.
Imagine taking 1% works from Bible, National Geographic, Shakespeare, Time, London Times etc and slap them together whatever one could muster up. What will we get?
Maybe one story of Jesus and next page explaining sexual preferences of pygmies and next page maybe Shakespeare talking of witches and finally soem quotes from public sayign kill Sadam. It will be interesting to read the reaction to that Biblical reputation.
And boys and girls-I tihnk this is the best explanation and without further adiou I leave you at your own mercy.
Sherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[manbir]

Well ME thinks that:
[1] Dasam Granth is a compilation of many authors including Guru Ji!
[2] Guru Ji in his wisdom made sure that these selections don't get into SGGSJ.
One reason might be the one you have indicated. The writings are about CHRITARS or 'Characters' and authors did their best to introduce general public in Gurmukhi about all the dif stuff. Call it understanding others!
[3] The writings aere remnants of 1000's of writing lost in River after Chamkaur and before Machiwara and these remnants were collected from here and there and slapped together. WHo knows what collection athey are from and who wrote them?
Maybe all of these are out of context.
Imagine taking 1% works from Bible, National Geographic, Shakespeare, Time, London Times etc and slap them together whatever one could muster up. What will we get?
Maybe one story of Jesus and next page explaining sexual preferences of pygmies and next page maybe Shakespeare talking of witches and finally soem quotes from public sayign kill Sadam. It will be interesting to read the reaction to that Biblical reputation.
And boys and girls-I tihnk this is the best explanation and without further adiou I leave you at your own mercy.
Sherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

You hit the nail on the HEAD !!!

 

[drkhalsa]

Well ME thinks that:
[1] Dasam Granth is a compilation of many authors including Guru Ji!
[2] Guru Ji in his wisdom made sure that these selections don't get into SGGSJ.
One reason might be the one you have indicated. The writings are about CHRITARS or 'Characters' and authors did their best to introduce general public in Gurmukhi about all the dif stuff. Call it understanding others!
[3] The writings aere remnants of 1000's of writing lost in River after Chamkaur and before Machiwara and these remnants were collected from here and there and slapped together. WHo knows what collection athey are from and who wrote them?
Maybe all of these are out of context.
Imagine taking 1% works from Bible, National Geographic, Shakespeare, Time, London Times etc and slap them together whatever one could muster up. What will we get?
Maybe one story of Jesus and next page explaining sexual preferences of pygmies and next page maybe Shakespeare talking of witches and finally soem quotes from public sayign kill Sadam. It will be interesting to read the reaction to that Biblical reputation.
And boys and girls-I tihnk this is the best explanation and without further adiou I leave you at your own mercy.
Sherrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

Before making such intelligent conclusion and stating Dasam Granth as jumble book I believe that you might have read it quite wel

every body is at the mercy of AKAL whether he realise this or not


Jatinder Singh

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Das has seen a letter from Bhai Mani Singh Ji to Mata Sundari Ji in Delhio stating what all he has got from various writing of Guru.

That letter is still there and if you want Das can tell you the location of that museum.It appears to be compiled after consulting Mata Sunder Kaur Ji or Mata Sundari Ji.

till the Time of Adi Guru Darbar Sikhs were being made to get political power and after making of Singh Khalsa they were bestowed the Kinghood and Sarbloh Granth tells of 12 form of Guru 10 of the Masters ,Adi Guru Darbar and Panth Khalsa.

It is guilines for Panth to gain political power to let Dharam be protected and spread.

 

[ISDhillon]

Dasam Granth top of Page 1358 pornography translation of text into English
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WHY IS THIS IN HERE? DO YOU THINK GURU GOBIND SINGH WAS A SEXUAL PERVERT? this is typical of Pandit literature - not Sikh Gurbani. If the Taksalis like to preach Dassam Granth, then why don't they preach about this page? And since they have Dassam Granth on a Palkee in their big gurdwara in India, why don't they read this as a hukamnaama?[/FONT]

When the princess heard like this
She asked the female friend to get away in the twinkling of an eye.
She went to the king rapidly.
She did sexual intercourse after embracing
She used poppy husk, hemp and opium
Bed was spread over him
Kissed and embraced
{censored} was put in the {censored}
When the king put the {censored} in the {censored}
Then the girl felt the interest in her mind
She embraced him and went under him
Kissed the king
She caught him and kept round her neck
She touched her body with his body
Both her lips were touched with his lips
Both breasts were joined with his breasts
She did sexual intercourse with the king like this
As she felt the elation in her mind
Thereafter she bid farewell to the king
She went to another country
Attractively she bid farewell to the king
She did such a lewd action
The king did not mention this happening to anybody else
He kept this woman's action in his mind
Some days later the king called that girl again
He made her queen and nobody could know this trick.[/FONT]

well i was quite shocked by the responses to this thread the above is poetry and yes the guru did write it but it is not gurbani, gurbani is direct revelation this is poetry par excellence and the guru gives us great message in all of dasam granth, cos i dont have a filthy mind when i read this verse to me it makes some sense and relevance to everyday life, for example i could work really hard all my life and try to get a prommotion at work but for some reason my boss gives the job to an uneducated and lazy {censored}, I will never know the reason why and maybe dumbfounded but guruji makes it clear hear for all of us that the wiles of men and women are far beyond what the eyes can see, kaam has more sway in our daily lives than we know of and thus the guru says quite correctly "He made her queen and nobody could know this trick"

Come on people try to think outside the orthodox box youre illiterate parents raised you in thanks!!:}{}{}:

ISDhillon

 

[bulleshah]

harsimiritsingh,

Don't you think you need to check out with the Shri Dasam-granth whether what you post
about it is indeed true. I think you must read this.


Shri Dasam-Granth-Ji

Thou art the axe which tears away the enemies and also Thou art the noose, which binds down;
Thou art Supremely Enduring One also; on whomsoever Thou didst bestow the boon, Thou didst
make him the king of the world.22.

Thou art the sword and dagger chopping the enemies and considering Indra as Thy devotee;
Thou didst bestow on him the position of the king of gods.23.

Yamdhaar and Yamdadh and all other names of the weapons fro the destruction of the warriors,
Thou hast folded up and bound all their power in Thyself.24.

Baank, Bajar, Bichhuaa and the shafts of love, on whomsoever Thou didst shower Thy Grace,
they all became the Sovereigns of the world.25.

The lion is Thy weapons like the sword in the war, which destroys the enemies; he, on whom,
Thou didst shower Thy Grace, he was redeemed from th noose of Yama.26.

Thou art the Saif and Sarohi and Thy Name is the destroyer of the enemies; You abide in our
heart and fulfil our tasks.27.

End of the first chapter entitled "The Praise of the Primal Power" in Shri Nam-Mala Purana.

SECTION

DOHRA

Putting the word "Kavach" in the beginning and adding the word Ar-deha at the end,
the wise people know all the other names of Kripaan.28.

The word "Shatru" is uttered in the beginning and the word "Dusht" is spoken at the end
and in this way all the names of Jagnnath are adopted in the heart.29.

Saying the word "Prithvi" in the beginning and then uttering the word "Paalak" all the Names
of the Lord are stuffed in the mind.30.

Uttering the word "Sarishti" in the beginning and then the word "Nath",
all the Names of the Lord are adopted in the heart.31.


Next time please make sure to conduct some research your own self instead of
following Sant Sipahi like these :

"...If cow slaughter is allowed in Punjab, sikhs won't force hindus to slaugter
or eat cows. Poultry farms are a decent business in Punjab.In the same way
beef business can help some farmers..

Cow slaughter has NOTHING to do with showing disrespect to hindus. Sikhs
don't cut hair and hindus cut hair. So if hindus open barber shops in Punjab
or outside Punjab that doesnt mean they are trying to insult sikhs. In the
same way, non-vegetarian sikhs eating beef wont be showing disrespect
to the minority hindu population in Punjab..."

"Tell that to the Hindus so that they let any body who wants to eat beef to
go ahead. We know that beef eating is like any other meat eating.
It is not banned to Sikhs even in Rahet Maryada."

CLICK

And Check out this discussion about the length of the kachera !
And these people never tire of saying that they saved humanity
from empty and pointless rituals !!

CLICK

Thanks.

 

[max314]

Why would the Guru use language and imagery that would be impossible to read out in front of a sangat?

 

[max314]

well i was quite shocked by the responses to this thread the above is poetry and yes the guru did write it but it is not gurbani, gurbani is direct revelation

That's debateable.

this is poetry par excellence and the guru gives us great message in all of dasam granth, cos i dont have a filthy mind when i read this verse to me it makes some sense and relevance to everyday life...

Dude, he's talking about anal sex in this! Dirty mind or not, there are other ways to tell a story about lovemaking! Hindi films do it all the time by sticking a song in there, I'm sure that a poet as "par excellence" as Guru Gobind Singh Ji could find another way to express himself that would be condusive to the sangat! It's a case of "ew, dude...too much detail!", only why would Guru Gobind Singh Ji ever do that?

Please don't take an appologists view, and please try and explain this to me as best you can. I'm seriously disturbed right now. As it stands, I refuse to believe that Guru Gobind authored at least this section of the Dassam Granth...

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Bhai Max Sahib Ji,

It depends that what kind of Sangat do we have.In lower caste illitrate such languages are common.Only in upper caste Khatris(who founded Nirankaris) and Sanskrited Jaats such languagde is hated due to been attached with lower caste.


Das can only recmonded you to first leran the language in which Triya Charitarsa re writtan and then read them directly as often people try to mis tranlate or interpret.Over here also term womb was writtan as {censored}.So more dirt is in our mind.And Guru can do anything.Say to describe evil Guru can use simple languge.

Sikhs are not told to run away from evil like Hindus do by closing thier eyes like pigeon.So to face something we need to know the same.

 

[manbir]

This type of logic of Vijaydeep Singh is too difficult to digest. All our Gurus had same type of sangat. Most of them belonged to lower casts.

If we accept this funny and extemely perverted logic of Vijaydeep
Singh ji we are calling our great Guru ji Guru Gobind Singh ji as illeterate !!!

I have found this funny logic of Vijaydeep Singh in many of his posts. He seems to be unsucessfully trying to present the the Truya Charitra as a great literature with great meaning !!!

Sikhs donot need such type of sexual stimulation for spritual enlightenment !!!

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Respected S Manbeer Singh Ji,

There are two ways to communicate with illitrates.

1.Use thier language and custom and then teach them our via thier own vocabulary.
2.Just bring some of thier people in us and let him remain with us and then send him as a missioanry in illitrates peoples.

Before Tenth Master 2nd way was used.But as we know that Masands were getting out of control.So to let them have direct contact with us so they were to be tremed Khalsa(as per moghuls Khalsa means who pays text dierctly to King and with not interdemetray).Guru did used thier langauge to let them fight the wrongly made devine upper castes.

And in Sufis also such text is used from Ishq E Majaji(worldy love) to Ishq E Haqiqi(Godly/Truth oriened love).Love developed for Khalqat(creation) switchs over to Devine(Khaliq) as devine is in Khalqat.

But in Triya Charitars more the ways it was used is similar to what so called Progressive or left wong people write text to arise have not against exploiters.

as they are 405 and das is sure that yourself have read Vol 10 of Vipran Ki Reet to Sach da Marg or Dasham Granth Nirnai so such kind of mind set develops.

in the text mentioned above We first make person very afraid and then try to let that person move as we want that person to move.

so read it again and that also after understanding the language ie Braj or Bhojpuri.and why often High caste are targeted.There are instance of lower caste also say Barber but whay Barber?Barber is the one who cuts the hairs.

Das requests you to bring out parts which are deemed as not OK and das will give the whole stroy related to it as often part is given and whole story is not explained.

Anyway das has not become pervert,but did find many pervert things in Kala Afghana Sahib's work.

 

[max314]

Gurfateh

Bhai Max Sahib Ji,

It depends that what kind of Sangat do we have.In lower caste illitrate such languages are common.Only in upper caste Khatris(who founded Nirankaris) and Sanskrited Jaats such languagde is hated due to been attached with lower caste.

Really? Sikkhi rejecting every notion of casteism within the sangat notwithstanding, I would have thought that all sub-continential cultures would feel uncomfortable reading / having read to them a text that is by all description, pornographic. Because it is; let's have no illusions about that.

Das can only recmonded you to first leran the language in which Triya Charitarsa re writtan and then read them directly as often people try to mis tranlate or interpret.Over here also term womb was writtan as {censored}.So more dirt is in our mind.

Ah, okay. If it's a simple matter of confused tranlatory lexicon, then I suppose that makes it a little more understandable.

And Guru can do anything.

Well, that's a matter of individual faith.

Say to describe evil Guru can use simple languge.

"Simple" and "grotesque" aren't the same thing.

Sikhs are not told to run away from evil like Hindus do by closing thier eyes like pigeon.So to face something we need to know the same.

No-one's saying that you run away from it, but talking about anal sex to children or whilst sitting amidst families is simply not suitable.

 

[max314]

This type of logic of Vijaydeep Singh is too difficult to digest. All our Gurus had same type of sangat. Most of them belonged to lower casts.

If we accept this funny and extemely perverted logic of Vijaydeep
Singh ji we are calling our great Guru ji Guru Gobind Singh ji as illeterate !!!

I have found this funny logic of Vijaydeep Singh in many of his posts. He seems to be unsucessfully trying to present the the Truya Charitra as a great literature with great meaning !!!

Sikhs donot need such type of sexual stimulation for spritual enlightenment !!!

I'm with you on this one.


You can't say that "certain Sikkh texts are for lower castes and other Sikkh texts are for upper castes". That's completely contrary to the very essence of the Sikkh concept of an equal sangat.

And, as I've said earler, there are alternative ways to express one's self.

I know that there are people here who love Guru Gobind Singh Ji with a passion...I know that because I'm one of them.

As a result, I think it's our duty to ensure that this compilation, whose history and origin - unlike the Guru Granth Sahib - is so vehemently debated and unclear, is indeed the pure work of the Tenth Master. If we have any doubts that this could be a forgery by corrupt individuals, or a tampering of original writings, I believe we owe it to our Beloved Guru Gobind to not accept the things that are not his words.

As a result, I believe it's very important not to decide on a foregone conclusion (i.e. "Dassam Granth is the work of Guru Gobind Singh Ji!") and then just fill in the blanks.

In order to fully honour the Tenth Master and the sacrifices of both himself and his Khalsa warriors, it is imperative that we ensure that no text that is not of his own making is reverred by the community that owes its very existence to Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

 

[max314]

Gurfateh

Respected S Manbeer Singh Ji,

There are two ways to communicate with illitrates.

1.Use thier language and custom and then teach them our via thier own vocabulary.
2.Just bring some of thier people in us and let him remain with us and then send him as a missioanry in illitrates peoples.

Before Tenth Master 2nd way was used.But as we know that Masands were getting out of control.So to let them have direct contact with us so they were to be tremed Khalsa(as per moghuls Khalsa means who pays text dierctly to King and with not interdemetray).Guru did used thier langauge to let them fight the wrongly made devine upper castes.

And in Sufis also such text is used from Ishq E Majaji(worldy love) to Ishq E Haqiqi(Godly/Truth oriened love).Love developed for Khalqat(creation) switchs over to Devine(Khaliq) as devine is in Khalqat.

But in Triya Charitars more the ways it was used is similar to what so called Progressive or left wong people write text to arise have not against exploiters.

as they are 405 and das is sure that yourself have read Vol 10 of Vipran Ki Reet to Sach da Marg or Dasham Granth Nirnai so such kind of mind set develops.

in the text mentioned above We first make person very afraid and then try to let that person move as we want that person to move.

so read it again and that also after understanding the language ie Braj or Bhojpuri.and why often High caste are targeted.There are instance of lower caste also say Barber but whay Barber?Barber is the one who cuts the hairs.

Das requests you to bring out parts which are deemed as not OK and das will give the whole stroy related to it as often part is given and whole story is not explained.

Anyway das has not become pervert,but did find many pervert things in Kala Afghana Sahib's work.

Okay, I'm prepared to keep an open mind. I'd like to see your explanation in full context.

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all!

In Dasam Granth we find it written by the Grace of God. In human beings we find it happening by the Grace of God.
Why do we not adorn God with strange titles? Why do we feel strange about human beings who follow God's Hukam?

Those who feel ashamed of it should better question their status of mind.

Human senses are to communicate with the world. The exchange takes place without a pause. It happens also when we do not realize this. The communication through every sense and its expression has its own language. Verbalizing and using terminology of sex is also an art of God's creation.

Enlightened people are also perfect in expressing through all senses and languages.

Watch the language of those who feel ashamed of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's writings. They do not feel ashamed of explaining it in detail. Their language is but not poetic. A friend of mine said that many Sikhs right now were known for using this terminology. In reality they also want to express something this way.

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The higher conscious mind feels like expressing all in poetry. We receive and understand God's Hukam in Rhymes easily. All Scriptures from enlightened people are in poetry forms. Expression through poetry became possible since human beings recognized joy of developing consciousness. One can express all sensible feelings in many ways.
Poets sometimes use common words, sometimes words that make others laugh and sometimes words of sexual terminology.

We know that many poets were adorning Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Darbaar. They used to come together and recited poems showing their skill in expressing truth using different terminology. This tradition is very old and took place during all kings and enlightened people.

**************

Maya seduces everyone. The process is similar as one enlivens it during sex. Only the evolution is in worldly direction.

God marries one. His Naam enters and the process begins. It is similar as one enlivens it during sex. Only the evolution is in Godly direction.

I may say more specially to those who are ready to transcend their standardized shame.


Balbir Singh

 

[GURVINDER]

What The Hell Are You Saying I Am Not Understanding Properly Plz Describe The Page Number

 

[max314]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all!

Hi there

In Dasam Granth we find it written by the Grace of God. In human beings we find it happening by the Grace of God.

Really? Where? How? Why?

Have any of the Sikkh Gurus - our honorable and precious patrons - told us that this volume, which was compiled and editted from multiple and sometimes contradictory sources after the death of the Tenth Master, was to be reverred as a holy text?

I ask you to put my mind at rest and provide me with some evidence.

Why do we not adorn God with strange titles?

Because they're unnecessary.

Why do we feel strange about human beings who follow God's Hukam?

Those who feel ashamed of it should better question their status of mind.

I think it's people who follow something on someone's say-so are the ones who should get their heads examined.

It's like walking up to the edge of a high cliff and someone suddenly saying that there is in invisible walkway you just can't see. "Jump off", says the guy. "You'll be alright!"

Eh...nah.

Human senses are to communicate with the world. The exchange takes place without a pause. It happens also when we do not realize this. The communication through every sense and its expression has its own language. Verbalizing and using terminology of sex is also an art of God's creation.

Yeah, but I'm not going to let my eight year old son read a passage that says: "{censored} was put in the {censored}". And neither will you.

Enlightened people are also perfect in expressing through all senses and languages.

You're talking about blind faith again. Who are "enlightened people" and who are not "enlightened people"? What does it even mean to be "enlightened"? On what authority do you base peoples' enlightenment? Have you ever met the people you deem are enlightened? Would these "enlightened people" just laugh at you in the face if you told them that they were enlightened, and simply reply "haha...I'm not enlightened...I'm just telling you some common sense..."?

Watch the language of those who feel ashamed of Guru Gobind Singh Ji's writings.

But what proof do you have to say that this even is Guru Gobind Singh Ji's writing?

They do not feel ashamed of explaining it in detail. Their language is but not poetic. A friend of mine said that many Sikhs right now were known for using this terminology. In reality they also want to express something this way.

Huh? :{-

The higher conscious mind feels like expressing all in poetry. We receive and understand God's Hukam in Rhymes easily. All Scriptures from enlightened people are in poetry forms. Expression through poetry became possible since
human beings recognized joy of developing consciousness. One can express all sensible feelings in many ways.
Poets sometimes use common words, sometimes words that make others laugh and sometimes words of sexual terminology.

Again, that's all lovely jubbley, but why would you use "words of sexual terminology" when young children are going to be listening?

We know that many poets were adorning Guru Gobind Singh Ji's Darbaar. They used to come together and recited poems showing their skill in expressing truth using different terminology. This tradition is very old and took place during all kings and enlightened people.

There we go again with the "enlightened people"...

It's like you're grabbing a bunch of historical figures about whom you have little or no first-hand knowledge and are saying "well...they're all enlightened, so it must be right!".

From where are you making these deductions? Please share.

Maya seduces everyone. The process is similar as one enlivens it during sex. Only the evolution is in worldly direction.

:{-

God marries one. His Naam enters and the process begins. It is similar as one enlivens it during sex. Only the evolution is in Godly direction.

Oh, I get it.

Doing naam is like sex.

How could I have missed it? :roll:

I may say more specially to those who are ready to transcend their standardized shame.

"Standardised shame"?

I presume you don't go parading naked through the street, due to "standardised shame". Perhaps you should "transcend" that and become a nudist who believes that "our bodies are from God...release your standardised shame!" :}{}{}:

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Das will try to elaborate the same thing as das finds that das was a bit unable to clarify that to Bhai Max Ji.


S. Manbir Singh kji are docter and will agree to this thing.when a lower caste person,who is deprived from deucation for ages by upper caste comes and tells aboput UTI or STD vocabulary is differnt from upper caste educated person.


Das agrres that Guru ended castes.But what about those who were still lving in slavery by upper castes Hindus.Guru had to let meaasge go to them also.

Say in Guru Granth Sahib Ji language Farsi is used to preach faith in Farsi speaking people.In the same way Guru used language easly understandable by lower castes.

Even in Darbar Sahib there are terms which point towards intercourse say term Bind is refeered to Seman but in Dasham Granth more crude term Viraj or Ret is used.That is comprihended by those castes who were so far by upper caste been told that 'let molten lead be put in thier ear if they study say Vedas '.

some thing could to wriitan in compact fomr say 1to10 say in Darbar Sahib but in Dasham Granth sahib we are told 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10.so more explantions are there.

Last thing about Anal sex if to be discuused in front of child or not.When das was young,he was told by his mother to stay away from grown up children as yuong boys are like girls.She could say in same way she is from hindu faith who are rigid and move on concealment.

But say in puly militray Background often our Commander do tell us mnay things realted to sex.Say elder one can say abuse also.Say when we have to go to fight say in kargill we will not say Mai Bhai be kind to vacte Kargill,We will call thier mothers and sisters.

and if we visit Ramgarh(Jharkhand Sikh Regimental Centre) or Fathegarh(UP SikhLi Regimenatal Centre).We need to see that how are young onre trained in Army and what abused are though to them in training.

As a formal inteligence personal from India das,also informs that say al Qaeda use to use Porn pictures,They had coded messages in them.Each action had some emaning.Say if girl removes upper cloaththat means attack from north and if she bring up skirt it may means penetrate from south.

The guys who were on securty duty,if they are very mcuh obbseed with sex will only enjoy but reciver will decode that.Same things other agency can use.So as we find all Triya Charitars were obtained from outside Anandpur Sahib,they were sent to villages arround in whole nation.

People from enemy side,who scrutinised may have thought that Guru can not write this and could have misguided and attracted in sex or such thing is text.And text reached recivers.Forces were made in country.

When Banda Was sent majority of his forces were from lower castes.

Das here mean lower caste as potential converts,After conversions they were same as Sikh.So more in the way of recuriting mannual and message to over throw upper caste Hindu or Muslim rulers.

Das is ready to provide more info.Das thinks that what we use today was used by Guru in past,Data encryption and with keys only know to recivers.Here key is Language used by recivers who are from lower castes.

as 405 Wroks are there,many have ,mnay reasons behind thier been sent.It was m omre a book perhaps called Sumat Prakash.More to do with Hindi poets so das may not give refreance to them.

Das is anywya thankful to yourself Bro Max and Respected S. Manbeer Singh Ji that they are ever ready to protect Panth from wrong things.Das trys to use a bit differnt way for the same.