Explain This In Dasam Granth

[manbir]

Gurfateh



Respected Manbir Singh Ji,

If we read Farsi Verse in Darbar Sahib Yak az Guftam Dar Prsh Tu...

Or verses in Farsi,we find that we are realy Missioary or preaching Faith.

But after Sixth Master we also talked of Miri Piri or Faith over politics and Sixth Master fought wars but were more to defend.

But in the case of Tenth Master concept of Sant Sipahi came.A Warir Saint.That person can also use sword in order to prevent forcefull stopping in preaching.

Guru took preemptive steps in war like War in Nadaun or Sending Sahibzad to rescue women from wrong people of Hoshiyarpur or say Sending help to Bahdur Sha uunder the command of Bhai Daya Singh Ji or as per Prof Sahib Singh Ji going to Deccan to preach Gurmat to Marthi guys and enroute to Rajputana people(which das thinks).

figthing people may not be decent speaking.First we have to talk to them and then later can make them decent but in was decency does not work.

Dear Vijaydeep Singh ji

All this does not justify the highly objectionable Kokshtra writings in Dasam. Granth

 

[GURVINDER]

Can Anyone Tell Me The Hymes Of Dasam Granth Which Are Translated Above

 

[harsimiritkaur]

What page in Dasam Granth does Patnam Sahib Gurdwara in India read during mad ardaas of Akhanda Paath on Dassam Granth?

Why do they not use chor sahib on Guru Granth Sahib there? Only Dassam Granth has a chor sahib.

 

[Archived_member2]

Pray Truth for all and say Satsriakal!
Dear all!

Quote from Harsimrit Kaur Ji "Why do they not use chor sahib on Guru Granth Sahib there? Only Dassam Granth has a chor sahib."
Please publish a list of your rituals for compare.

Quote from Gurvinder Ji "Can Anyone Tell Me The Hymes Of Dasam Granth Which Are Translated Above"
It will be easy for all when references are from the on-line edition of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Jee.

Quote from Manbir Ji "All this does not justify the highly objectionable Kokshtra writings in Dasam. Granth"
I do not know where the Gurus asked us to justify actions of others. I heard them suggesting becoming neutral through Naam by God's Grace.

Quote from Navroop Singh Ji "Guru ji would never and did never write this."
Should we expect Gurdev to be something else than God in human being. I have heard only a sort of preacher has an excreting hole less in his body.

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In my view, some with God's Will love to talk, read, write and discuss sexual terminology unbrokenly. They seem unable to get rid of these terms and words. Their lust to talk about this seems deep rooted and everlasting. That has overpowered them, forgetting all other tastes. They have not understood the Guru's messages and got stuck with Kaam and its engagements. Their keertan is going on in words ""Kaam ras pee-aa ray. Kaam ras pee-aa ray."

Gurdev, after writing the messages through stories, went for the dip in Naam Simran. The Guru then started singing.
"raam ras pee-aa ray."
Raam's essence is drunk.

"jih ras bisar ga-ay ras a-or." SGGS Ang 337-16
That essence made me forgot all other tastes.

God is Aananda in all His activities.


Balbir Singh

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

What page in Dasam Granth does Patnam Sahib Gurdwara in India read during mad ardaas of Akhanda Paath on Dassam Granth?

Why do they not use chor sahib on Guru Granth Sahib there? Only Dassam Granth has a chor sahib.

Sister,

How many times have you been to Patna Sahib?

Tell this think to das truth fully.

As Gyani Gurdit Singh ji in Mundavini case had nenver visted to see the old Manuscrpits of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and wrote that he has verifed that Raagmala is not there in them.

Das is usre that you have only heard such things and enver been there.
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Das is aganist the Chaur Sahib even To Guru Granth Sahib Ji as Hindus do more such things to thier Human Gurus or Idols.

But at Patna Sahib Chaur is done to both the Scriputres and Bade Baba Ji or Guru Granth Sahib Ji are kept higher and Planqune of Dasham Granth Sahib Ji is also smaller.

And Lastly Pathis from Niuhngs or Nirmalas read whole the Bani a aloud.

anyway if you visit India and Delhi ,das will take you to nearest Cantomanent of Budhdal and you can record the whole Path.And das will not feel ashamed as he does not in front of his mother.and yourself das thinks are leder to Das so as per Bihari tradtions elder Sister is no where less then Mother,when we have to give respect.And such pagan things may not be averse to Gurmat as Gurmat does not discourge good Pagan things to be incorporated.

Then Respected Dr Manbir Singh Ji.

Is Kok Shastra an evil thing?

And have you read Kam Sutra or Kashmiri Kok Shastra and found the differance between them and Tiya Charitar/Hiqayats?

Language is differnt.

Explantion is differnt.But as you are in mdeical profession and if someone comes with sexual problmes,will you not help him while teeling him the Truth that how could he perform well with his wife?

Does Guru has nay restriction,if we see this work as Kok Shastra at all.

It is more an abuse to rulers but other reasons can not be ruled out as 405 Headings are there.

anyway to think how Guru might have thought while doing preaching work,Das begs you that hwerever you live in India,try to go to poor Hindu or other non Sikh locality and organse a free health camps on holidays and while doing this also preach Gurmat(slowly and gradualy after winning the confidance of the target copnverteees(As Christian missionaries Do))

Once you carry out such task,you will understand the importance of Triya Charitras.BUt rember to carry out preaching in Non Sikh poor people,Be it Biharis or be it Bangladeshis.

You will find evil elements coming to you ways as described in Triya Charitras.And then das will be of having more talk.so Best of Luck.If you want just preach them only Text from Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

 

[Akashdeep Singh]

As Gyani Gurdit Singh ji in Mundavini case had nenver visted to see the old Manuscrpits of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and wrote that he has verifed that Raagmala is not there in them.

Wow! Excellent job my friend in putting down the hard work of Giani Gurdit Singh ji. How much do you know of the work of Giani Gurdit Singh ji? As far as I know, he had been researching this topic for almost 50 years. His book Mundavani has many proofs of what he researched and is the final product of decades of research that he did.

Moreover, just by visiting any place will you come know all he facts about that place? Certainly not!. You will have to put years and years of your life to research with an open mind and not with a closed mind full of superstition.

With this thinking I won't be surprised if you say in future that the work of Dr. Ganda Singh ji, Kahan Singh Nabha et all was also of no use since they did not visit all the places.

Please take some rest between the readings from various sources that you do, this will help you contemplate.

Good wishes,

-Akashdeep

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Wow! Excellent job my friend in putting down the hard work of Giani Gurdit Singh ji. How much do you know of the work of Giani Gurdit Singh ji? As far as I know, he had been researching this topic for almost 50 years. His book Mundavani has many proofs of what he researched and is the final product of decades of research that he did.

Moreover, just by visiting any place will you come know all he facts about that place? Certainly not!. You will have to put years and years of your life to research with an open mind and not with a closed mind full of superstition.

With this thinking I won't be surprised if you say in future that the work of Dr. Ganda Singh ji, Kahan Singh Nabha et all was also of no use since they did not visit all the places.

Please take some rest between the readings from various sources that you do, this will help you contemplate.

Good wishes,

-Akashdeep

Dear Brother,

If we lack faith in God we have fear and due to fear we do good lots of lies.

Say if Adolf Hitler did years of reseach on fake things then it may not mean that Years were truly utilised.We have Dr Jakir Nayak who does research a lies so that is not eh point.

Well coming to Gyan Gurdit Singh Ji,

Reason for Tankha for him is this lie.He has never seen the manuscripts of Guru Granth Sahib Ji at Patna Sahib.We both can revisit Patna Sahib and reconfirm it.As he says there is not manuscript in Patna Sahib without Raagmala.So it is up to you to still belive in lies.

There is thread over Mundvini here also.As you talk of Bhai Kahan Singh Ji Nabha.He said that at Kartarpuri Berrh(primary version) there are interpoltated verses like Jit Dar Lakh Mohamada etc. and Raagmala is there.


But Bhai Jodh Singh himslef carried research on intance of Panthic boides and found that Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha also lied as there is no such verse like Jit Dar Lakh mohamada etc. in
Kartarpuri Beerh.In the same copy only after 1 and half page from Mundavini Raagmala is wrritan and before that also there are mnay pages which had blank pages.Raagmala in same and ink and hand writing is found on perhaps 975 Page(das could be mistaken).

Das was told that Bhai Sahib Kahan Singh Ji were shown another version by Sodi Family.while they say that they have oonly one version of the copy.There seems to be no motive either for Sodis to show wrong thing.

And in fact withiin this Beerh on some empty page some one has wrritan a formula of alchemy but in differnt writing and ink.Had sodis fabricated something then they would not have shown this alchemy formula also.

And thing does not ends here.As per Dr Sengar(Hindi Litrature Historian) Alam was at the time of Bahadur Shah(contmeporary of Guru Gobind Singh Ji).So how could Alam went in past to write Raagmala as it is also found in Bhai Bannu Beerh(can be seen at Kanpur Gurudwara Bhai Bannu).

And the oldest version of Madhav Nal Kam Kandala from wherre people claim that Raagmal is taken can be seen at Kankroli in UP and it is called Kankroli Manuscript.There are 20% differance and if we say we do tranlitration from Nagri to Gurmukhi differance can go upto 80% but wants to neutral over here that as writan in Gurumukhi same sounds may have diffenr Chaercter to depict.So das still say 80% similar.Yet Its time is about that of Guru Gobind Singh Ji.Last winter das spent a great lot of time to research and das put that thing over here on this site also with scaaned file and tranlitration from Nagri to Roman.

Still if you say Gyani Gurdit Singh ji are OK then das has no objection.Das say as a Sikh that Akal can get anyone salvage and that one also who does not read Raagmala.Anyway another school of people say that there was another Alam who was Sufi, and he was at the time of Akbar.Yet there is no prrof of that then single description of Akabar's time in Madhav Nal Kamkandala.There are mnay more works on same stroy and there is perhaps Triya Charitar 91 which has stroy of Madhavnal Kamkandala.

Reson for single Alam describing the time of Akbar could be more due to his being poet and Akbar period was golden era and his time we had Aurangzeb who made hell for litrary people.

Das wants to say that Das started from the fact that Raagmala is from Alam the First and when moved backword found this not true.

If say youself have not visited Thamu Ji Sahib Kartarpur and not seen the Beerh which they show on Vaishakhi,Yuo may use other sourses to say aboput that.They can be wrong.So do ti yourself.Now as you say Gyani Gurdit Singh ji worked,it is not your first Hand info.Das request you to collect primary data then relying upon secondary data which could be biased.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Raagmaala isn't bani and neither is all of dasam granth.
Only a pervert who is shameless would say tria chariters are written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Chariter 15 Pg. 52
Dohra
Well known minister told the king the 14th story. King was happy and he gave a lot of donations. 1|
Step-mother of a person named Bhaan used to live in Raamdasspur. She without following the caste system, had intercourses with many. 2| When her husband died, she became pregnant. She was scared about what people would say. 3|
Chaupai
Her name has been known as Bhaan Matee. She was known as a huge {censored}. When she got pregnant, she was really scared in her heart. 4|


Chariter 20 78

• Anandpur had been just settles so how could so many prostitutes come there?
• Anandpur was a place of worship and the character of Sikhs was well known to everyone, then how did the prostitute think of finding work in a place like that?
• According to the chariters Guru Ji is a worshipper of Bhagauti. Is this not vipran kee reet? Even if Bhagauti is translated as God, why did Guru Ji went to learn Bhagauti mantar? Wasn’t Guru Ji a complete Guru?
• Why go to learn mantras if Guru Ji had straight communication with God?
• With Guru Ji being Mard Agambra, Saint-soldier, with Taij partaap, didn’t the prostitute have fear of Guru Gobind Singh Ji?
• How did a prostitute have the guts to ask Guru Ji for fulfillment of Kaam?
• Guru Ji knows everything, then why didn’t Guru Ji know what type of woman anoop kaur was?
• also, where did a prostitute get the name Kaur? Was she Amritdhari?
• It is said that most prostitutes were Muslim? Then hwy the last name kaur and first name anoop?
• Also, Gurbani says that if you see the Guru once, you will losse kaam kroadh loab moh annhankar, etc? then why didn’t the prostitute loose it?
• It says that when Guru Ji saw some people surrounding him, He thought his life was in danger and was helpless as there was no Sikh protecting him. Guru Ji, who says I will make 1 fight 1,000,000 was scared of 4-5 people?
• It says Guru Ji for his shoes and a shawl at anoop kaur’s house. Why did Guru Ji take off his shoes?
• Why did Guru Ji take off his shawl?
• GuruBani says jY fITY mnu DIrIAY iklivK vM\in@ dUry] sUhI mhlw 5, 761. Jai Deethay Mnu Dheereeae Vanjyhan Dooray] Soohee Mehala 5, 761. Then how did a woman get inflicted by kaam?
• How dare did a prostitute threaten Guru Ji?
• Guru Ji condemns jantras and mantras, then why did Guru Ji go and learn mantras from a woman, especially at night?
• While the prostitute was drugged up and unconscious, for what good deed did Guru Ji place 60 coins beside her?
• Then Guru Ji announced that whoever finds my shoes and shawl and brings it to me will get rid of the cycle of life and death. What was so special about those shoes and shawl that Guru Ji wanted to end someone’s cycle of birth and death for that shawl and that pair of shoes?
• The prostitute brought the items herself, then was her cycle of birth and death ended?
• Chariter also says that Guru Ji gave the prostitute 20,000 coins when she came to Guru Darbar with the items. Was it suitable to give hard earned money of Sikhs to a prostitute?
• These chariters in past tense. Then how could they be written by Gu Ji?
• They are also second or even third person. Then how are they written by Guru Ji?
• chariters refer to Guru Ji as raja. Was Guru Ji only a raja? Bhai Nand Lal says Guru Ji is Emperor of emperors. Isn’t this downgrading to what Nand Lal said?
• Didn’t the Sikhs know that it is a prostitute who has brought Guru Ji’s shoes? What effect did that have on Sikhs?
• Tankahnaama Bhai Nanad Lal says Kwlsw soie jo pridRst iqAwgY] Kwlsw soie jo prnwrI qy BwgY] Then why did Guru Ji go to a woman at night? Guru Ji performed different from what Guru Ji taught?
• Chariter says that when prostitute says “thief, thief, thief!” People come and surround Guru Ji. People who lived in Anandpur were mostly Sikhs and who had faith in Guru Ji. So Guru Ji’s own followers thought of Guru Ji as a thief?
• Prostitutes must have come to Anandpur only if they had customers? Who were the customers when the city was controlled and run by Guru Ji himself? Sikhs were the customers? Do you guys go to places like that too? I guess you guys do so do the people who teach you that Chariters belong to Guru Ji.
• Aren’t you disrespecting Guru Ji in countless ways by saying these chariters are written by Guru Ji?
• Is it not true the present dasam granth was known as “bachitter natak” then known as “dasam paatshah ka granth”, then known as “dasam granth” and now people like you guys call it dasam guru granth sahib”. Why the name changes?
• Is it not true that there are many versions of dasam granth? Why? If it is written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji?
• Is it not true that first copy doesn’t have Sri Mukhwak paatshahi 10 at start of chariters, it also doesn’t have Sri Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh?
• Guru had time to write 404 chariters but no time to write even one word about Peer Buddhu Shah and his sons who sacrificed their lives for Guru Ji?
• If chariters are written by Guru Ji, then why isn’t chariter katha even done in Gurudwaras?
• They are never even read. Why?
• When Akhand Paath of dasam granth is performed, Chariters are read silently. Why if it is Gurbani?
• Why isn’t a Hukamnama taken from chariters?
• What if hukamnama from chariters is taken and hukamnama says call for opium, weed, liquor, morphine, etc. Have a lot of intercourse with all types of women. Are you going to follow the order? Are you going to take drugs? Are you going to have intercourse with all types of women?

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Raagmaala isn't bani and neither is all of dasam granth.
Only a pervert who is shameless would say tria chariters are written by Guru Gobind Singh Ji.

Only preverets try to act like own father.

Prove this instead of beating behind the bush.

 

[vijaydeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Chariter 15 Pg. 52
Dohra
Well known minister told the king the 14th story. King was happy and he gave a lot of donations. 1|
Step-mother of a person named Bhaan used to live in Raamdasspur. She without following the caste system, had intercourses with many. 2| When her husband died, she became pregnant. She was scared about what people would say. 3|
Chaupai
Her name has been known as Bhaan Matee. She was known as a huge {censored}. When she got pregnant, she was really scared in her heart. 4|

what is meant by dervived and forced interpetation and what is priamry data collection you will know here and now.


So here we start.


Katha Chatur Das Nrip Ko Mantri Kari Bakhan
Misnter described the 14th stroy to king(head human or Nrip)

Sunat Rejh Ke Nrip Rahe,Diyo Adhik Teh daan.
After lstening King became Happy and gave him good lot of donation.

Ek bimatra Bhan KI Ramdaspur Bech
One Step mother of Bhan in Ramdaspur

Bahu Purkhan Se Rati Kare Uch na Jane Neech

Use to indulge(Rat(i)) with mnay men.Did not know high(that lower)
Use to love(Rati)/indulge(Rat) act with many men without knwoing ups and downs.

There is no caste but in the mind of TKF.


Ta Pati mari Gayo Jabe Tahi Bhayao Awdhana
After her husbad died,during that time she had pragnency.

Adhik Hride Bhitar Dari Lok Laj jiye Jan
she became to much afraid,understading (-ve impact)Self respect in public in mind.

quderet
Bhan Mati tiha nam Bakhaniyat
Bhan Mati was her name described.
Badi Chhinar Jagat mai janiyat
big Bad Lady she was understood in world.

Chhinar means chercterless lady.Chhi in hindi stands for filthy exclamtion.But big {censored} is prevert word.Sangat may decide that who has prevert mind.Tranlator or reader?

Jab Tak ko Rahi Gyao ADhana.
when she had feotus withn her/Pregenecy.

Tab Abla Ko Hridaye Darana
Then heart of powerless became afraid.

so das just wanted to put your tranlation and dases opver here.

Then reaming story.

she calls some men in Party.

Lied dowen and got up suddennly and with a plan(charector) in her mind she had name of her husband and said.


when her husband died,she was told by him to thay if she dies of brubbubg now(with him) She will go to hell.
Bhan is young
serve him
rear him and make him grow
the day he eats after earning.

I wil give you a dream after coming.

Bhan has been done big(Grown up0 and husband has givne dream after coming.(After Bhan has grown husband has ocme into dream,time to die).

from that I go to world of Guru Har Rai Kiratpur.

People prevent ut she did not concede thier say.
she let her wealth be looted and moved with great stuborness embedded in mind.

After leaving Ramdas pur and coming to kiratpur
she stood one one leg and burnt her self with playing Mridang(a Sort of Drum).

Many people saw her being Burnt with standing at one leg.

They saw and became happy but did not know the secret.

In whole world if man has faith in female(instead of Akal).
within seven days he is destroyed.

(Gurbani referacne Janani Pita Lok Sut Banita Koi Na kiski Dharya).

A man who give away his mind to female.
That person gets bad's sitution of him daily in world.(mind should be givne to god ajnd not opposite sex).

so das will elborate.

After Sixth Master went to Kiratpur Sahib,in amritsar Sahib we all know that unworhty guys took control.

Ninth Master was not allowed to enter Darbar Sahib and Ladies from Vala took him into Darbar Sahib.Tenth Master did not visit Darbar Sahib.

so under Sodis wrong things can happend there.God only know that when did Sitala Mandir finds place in City made by Sikh Gurus.That could be period.

Then a wrong lady is there in Amritsar Sahib.Duirng the time of Fifth Master itself within Sodi family bad people were there.

So inorder to conceal her abdultrous habit.she tried to get herself devine she became Sati.People who thought her great were befooled and for them it is told that should not trust female with all faith and givng self intellect.

This Charitar actuly tells that Satis in Hindus is more having many immoral things behind.and only fools tend to respect Sati as godess.

Then another thing over here TKF can ask for why did not Guru prevented her from doing so.

It is no where writan that Guru was over there.Had Guru been there then Guru would have prevented her.As Gurmat is Anti Sati.It is writtan that she did this in comman people and not in front of Guru.Then another question

If Guru knew everthing then why should not Guru be able pre empt her coming and prevent here?

Guru may let hewr kill her self and in Tenth form or maybe withing Seventh Form there oraly should have told guys about her wrongs.And she should not be made Heroine.

Guru had an Army and intelligence from Amritsar was to reach him.He did get news about Dar Shikohs comeing and did escort him once.That was only military mission of Seventh Guru.(Auranga Probelm with Guru had this reason also Ram Rai was sent).

Das has to move to duty by knwo and rest will be addressed tommorow.

(to be continued..)

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

If I use the word big {censored}, i am perverted. If bachitter natak writer uses it and links it to Dasam Paatshah, it is cool. Do you know how to do aarth better than everyone else? Who do you think you guys are? The aarths you do usally are not much different from anyone else. Meaning is the same. I use similar words as used in tria chariter while u change and run around. I say truthful while you try to fool.

 

[ISDhillon]

using the moral argument is pointless we all know that sikhism never taught man than sexual intercourse was immoral, sikhism teaches moderation, the stories about lust depict what sikhism teaches us, they teach us how people will use their sexuality to advance themselves. If the character of the author of such stories comes under scrutiny then you have alot to learn about poetry and prose.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Your a **** so you should stay out of this anyways. Shows how much bani you have read. Sikhism isn't tantric religion so we don't have any relations to sex stories. We don't need bati sikhs either. They can join rss too.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Being bati is the extent of moral corruption. It is what I like to call. TMC: Total Moral Corruption. Corruption to the max. Good for Vedanti to issue hukamnama against them. One of only a couple of things Vedanti has done right.

 

[ISDhillon]

lol I f u want a discussion on homosexuality then raise it i will defeat you there, people who call others gay usually have some thing to hide perhaps you should be more open with your personal inclinations instead of molesting gianis in the sangat we have all heard about what you canadians get up to!!!


instead of hiding behing your anonymous "kalsafauj" bullshit name why not put youre real name and then we can search the sex offenders registrar and identify you. Vedanti is a fat old man who stuffs his face with langar and then releases the occasional {censored} you call a hukumnamma and you all breathe in the stench and go into masti i have seen your kind before.

I have read a lot of bani but it would not matter if i did not read a page i can still answer youre drivel if you have a serious comment by all means bring it and i will deal with you and your army.

Gurfateh!!!

Indy

LESBIANS AND GAYS RULE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

How can you call a hukamnama a {censored}? Where is the respect?
How can you call KhalsaFauj bullshit? Where is the respect again?

Reading tria chariters again and again has made you mind more corrupt. You saying chariters are bani isn't hard to belive considering you support Sikhs being gay. Those granthi who do child molestations are from deras who promote celibacy and dasam granth.

What do you mean we Canadians?
Canada is way better than UK even though the govt. screwed up on gay issue.

For my post on gays and lesbians. Read the bati thread. You didn't rip anyone in that thread and didn't win anything.

As for who am I? You will find out in future when I go to Punjab.

 

[The Khalsa Fauj]

Now don't make post about gays in this thread as this is about dasam granth.

 

[Akashdeep Singh]

Gurfateh

Das has seen a letter from Bhai Mani Singh Ji to Mata Sundari Ji in Delhio stating what all he has got from various writing of Guru.

That letter is still there and if you want Das can tell you the location of that museum.It appears to be compiled after consulting Mata Sunder Kaur Ji or Mata Sundari Ji.

till the Time of Adi Guru Darbar Sikhs were being made to get political power and after making of Singh Khalsa they were bestowed the Kinghood and Sarbloh Granth tells of 12 form of Guru 10 of the Masters ,Adi Guru Darbar and Panth Khalsa.

It is guilines for Panth to gain political power to let Dharam be protected and spread.

I have doubts that Bhai Mani Singh ji ever wrote that letter.

1. Bhai Mani Singh ji were martyred in 1734 AD. This so called letter which people say that Bhai Mani Singh Ji wrote to Mataji mentions the rumor of Banda Singh Bahadar escaping the prison. Banda Singh Bahadar was martyred in 1716 AD. Therefore, if this letter was written (which people argue) then it could only have been written between 1716 AD - 1734 AD. Now lets see some issues associated with this so called letter.
2. In all the Gurmukhi prose writings of that period (e.g., the Hukamnamas of Guru Gobind Singh and Banda Singh Bahadar), words constituting a sentence were joined together, without leaving blank spaces between them. And, this method of writing continued to be followed right upto 1867 A.D., as shown by a copy of the newspaper 'Akhbar Sri Darbar Sahib' published in that year. But the words in the so-called letter of Bhai Mani Singh are not joined together, and are separated by blank spaces.
3. The following are different from the writings of Bhai Mani Singh's period.
   1. The shape of letters, and
      
   2. The liberal use of bindi of the Gurmukhi script in the letter.
4. Trying to associate the name of a learned person like Bhai Mani Singh ji with Chritro pakhyan through this letter puts the final stamp on fakenss of this letter. It is unimaginable that a learned person like Bhai Mani Singh ji could ever send something like Chritro pakhyan to Mataji. No respectful Sikh can read Chritro Pakhyan in the presence of a lady or in sangat, then how can a learned person like Bhai Mani Singh send that to Mataji?

Sat Shri Akaal,
-Akashdeep

 

[Gyani Jarnail Singh]

When Guru nanak ji establsihed His sucessor guru..Bhai lehana Ji into Guru angad Ji..and up till Guru Gobind Singh ji....no MEHL of any Guru Sahib was ever in any "leadership".."consultation" position. There is no evidence that Guru Angad ji ever sent any letters to Mata Tripta Ji..or ever "consulted" her on any matters....same for Mata Khivi ji.. Mata Ganga Ji...Mata Gujree Ji..or any others. Guru Hargobind Ji was a BALAK GURU..but there is No evidence that He ever depended on his mother Mata ganga Ji for any advise on SIKHISM..Guru Gobind Singh ji was also a BALAK GURU...there is absolutley no evidence that mata gujjari Ji advised Him or changed any of His decisons..Guru Har Krishan ji was also Balak Guru....no evidence He asked any advise etc from the Mata Jis.
Guru GOBIND SINGH JI passed on His Gurgadhi to Guru Garnth ji Sahib and the KHALSA PANTH ( Punj Piyaras). In His LIFE TIME guru Ji BOWED to the PUNJ on many ocassions to Clearly ESTABLISH this FACT of Gurgadhee - at Vasakhi 1699, At Chamkaur..and also at the Grave of some Muslim Pir.

Such stories and FALSE LETTERS, sent out under august shaheeds names like Bhai mani Singh ji are an attempt to UNDERMINE the Gurgadhee of SGGS and Guru Khalsa Panth by bringing in "Mata Ji"..... Equally nefarious stories were put out that this same Mata Sundari ji, couldnt stand the death of Her Sahibzadah Ajit Singh and "ADOPTED" a boy who looked like Ajit Singh...and later on this boy SHAMED his ADOPTED MOTHER and made her REGRET her action of adopting him. This is an attempt to make out Mata sunder Kaur Ji as an "ordinary mortal" who PINES for Her sons..and NOT as Guru Gobind Singh Ji declared..Chaar moeeah to kia hooa.JEEVAT kaee HAZAAR...so what if my FOUR sons dies..the Khalsa Lives on in its Thousands..all my SONS !! and this same "mortal" mata ji is pursuing the "Human dream" of collecting her husbands literature,banis etc ?? ( Everything that Guru Gobind Singh ji threw away in the Sirsa River )
The Truth is that Mata Ji lived in "house arrest" in Delhi under the watchful eyes of the Mughal Govt ( as the wife of Mortal Eenmy of the State Number One)..and the Govt was successful in DIVIDING the SIKHS into Two groups and thus DEFEAT the Mighty baba banda Singh bahaduir and avert the danger from SIKHS in one stroke. IF one group of SIKHS had NOT DESERTED Banda Singh..he wouldnt have been defeated and the Mughals would have lost earlier. Mata sundari Jis name is also connected to thsi DIVIDE and RULE trategy of the Mughals.

Gyani jarnail Singh