Welcome to SPN

Register and Join the most happening forum of Sikh community & intellectuals from around the world.

Sign Up Now!

Cigarettes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

Discussion in 'Hard Talk' started by vijaydeep Singh, Jun 6, 2006.

  1. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Gurfateh

    Das saw something like cigrattes without tobbaco, Beers without Alchohal ie fruit beer. Say Pan Maasla was there without tobbaco.

    In such case what should be policy of Sikh?

    Should such stuff with which we may have addiction needs to be avoided? Or should the title 'not good for health' or 'injurious to health' be guiding us?

    Comments of the Sangat are appriciated.
     
  2. Loading...


  3. max314

    max314
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    May 28, 2006
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: Cigrate without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    :}{}{}:

    _______________________
    _______________________
     
  4. Huck_Finn

    Huck_Finn
    Expand Collapse
    (previously amarsanghera, account deactivated at t
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    145
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    ssa veerji

    i think Guru ji taught us that our Body is a gift from almighty...this life is precious.

    so we must avoid all harmful toxic and addictive things which spoil our health and makes our mind weak.

    this would include : alcohol in excess, tobacco and other know addictions
    meat ( my personal opinion)
     
  5. BaljeetSingh

    BaljeetSingh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2005
    Messages:
    84
    Likes Received:
    25
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    I could not resist smiling when I read "Alcohol (if not in excess)". See, how easily we change the Guru's shabad to suit our selves.

    Going back to the original post about cigerettes without tobacco or beer without alcohol....I do not know...but it is still very hard to visualize a 5K sikh with flowing beard and a dastaar and kirpan smoking a cigerette (even if it does not have tobbacco).

    There is a saying in Hindi..."bad se badnaam bura". Those who understand hindi will get the hint...
     
  6. kds1980

    kds1980 India
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2005
    Messages:
    4,504
    Likes Received:
    2,738
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    i don't think there is anything wrong in drinking non alcholic drinks like fruit beer.as far as smoking is concerned smoking has no purpose so why to smoke
     
  7. Huck_Finn

    Huck_Finn
    Expand Collapse
    (previously amarsanghera, account deactivated at t
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    145
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    baljeet veerji,

    Can you quote references for me that how i have twisted the teachings in Guru Granth Sahib to suit myself?

    thanks
     
  8. bopadum

    bopadum
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2006
    Messages:
    47
    Likes Received:
    0
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    I know some old grandfathers in Punjab used to do Hooka/Hasheesh, now I am no expert but from what I understand is that it is not addictive and bad for your health-its just fruit flavoured, hence why they used to do it. But on the other hand it was frowned upon by the village.

    Again as someone mentioned earlier - people twist rules to fit themselves. As if hasheesh is just fruit flavoured and not a bad addictive (as there are good addictions), why do it?

    I have smoked in the past and I just didn't feel right doing it, something in built within us. So quit pretty quickly. Plus when your young you do silly things!
     
  9. Huck_Finn

    Huck_Finn
    Expand Collapse
    (previously amarsanghera, account deactivated at t
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    145
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    hi Bopadum veerji

    Hashish is one of the most addictive drugs.

    regards,
     
  10. BaljeetSingh

    BaljeetSingh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2005
    Messages:
    84
    Likes Received:
    25
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    Dear AmarSangehra ji - Please refer Page 554, Slok M: 3, strating with the words "Maanus Bhariaa aaniaa....". Read this shabad completely. This shabad syas clearly that by drinking wine, persons intelligence departs and madness enters mind and man can not distinguish between his own and others..

    Now, I can not find anywhere in the SGGS that drinking little bit is ok :) Can you please refer me to anywhere in SGGS which says drinking if not in excess is ok.

    Thanks
     
  11. Sinister

    Sinister
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 4, 2006
    Messages:
    907
    Likes Received:
    394
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    ????why would u smoke without tobacco????
    The entire point of smoking is to feel a high, tobacco is a stimulant.

    entire point of beer/wine is the fact that it gets you drunk
    the non-alcoholic can just be called grape juice or something else.

    I really dont get the point of this thread.
     
  12. Huck_Finn

    Huck_Finn
    Expand Collapse
    (previously amarsanghera, account deactivated at t
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    145
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    Dear baljeet veerji

    thanks for the quote.

    i had been searching for this reference.


    thanks
     
  13. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    Gurfateh

    Dear Sinister Ji,

    In India we have beers with 0% Alchohal and we have cigraates also without Tobacco and even Beeris(a sort of indian cigrate)without Tobaco.As it was told to das that such cigrate let us feel cold in throat.
     
  14. Huck_Finn

    Huck_Finn
    Expand Collapse
    (previously amarsanghera, account deactivated at t
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    145
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    Dear Vijaydeep,

    Smoking a cigarette to feel cold in throat????

    i think need to smoke is more to get an inclusivity feeling...same for alcohol..

    now i think that being a gur's sikhs we should avoid all such addictions...as this Maya
     
  15. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    Gurfateh

    When das was Hindu das smoked tobbaco cigrattes but did heard of tobacco cigrates which are giving feeling in throats like Halls or vick,a sort of losanges.
     
  16. Huck_Finn

    Huck_Finn
    Expand Collapse
    (previously amarsanghera, account deactivated at t
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jun 7, 2006
    Messages:
    1,324
    Likes Received:
    145
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    its menthol cigarettes

    but still

    its menthol cigarettes

    but still they do have tobacco
     
    #15 Huck_Finn, Jun 16, 2006
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2006
  17. Rajwinder

    Rajwinder United States
    Expand Collapse
    Writer SPNer

    Joined:
    May 3, 2006
    Messages:
    68
    Likes Received:
    54
    Re: Cigrattes without Tobbaco and Beer without Alchohal

    I will say if these things wouldnt harm our body then it is ok to have them. But in india attitude is like this if bucn of frnds are standing with a sikh gentleman and they need to smoke then they will not offer the cigrate to sikh, if in a bus some body having a cigrate and a sikh gentleman is sitting near by then surely he will ask him if that sikh gentleman will have probelm iwth that , Point is view in india is like 'sikhs wouldnt smoke " and that another reason why a sikh got a better respect. NOw if we start smoking cigrates withou tobacco then it is true that it wouldnt hurt your body but i a 100 % sure it will hurt that ATTITUDE of people towards sikh which adds so much respect in other people hearts towards sikhs. ( As others may not be knowing that ur smoking a Tobacoo less cigrate :) )

    About the Beer Generally what i saw is most of the accasions when it comes to drinking ( Specailly in Jatt sikhs ) the term "Sikh" got converted into "Sardar". And people attitude becomes " Sardar and drinking should go together.

    All i feel is tha doing these kind of acts will only increase wrong attitude towards sikhism so we should better avoid these.
     
  18. max314

    max314
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    May 28, 2006
    Messages:
    285
    Likes Received:
    86
    Hey, I just had an idea! Why not make paper condoms?! Genius! :}{}{}:
     
  19. Arvind

    Arvind
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer Contributor Supporter

    Joined:
    Jul 13, 2004
    Messages:
    2,365
    Likes Received:
    379
    I dont think the two examples are a good idea. Actually I fail to understand why people want to go towards that path at all!
     
  20. Sinister

    Sinister
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer Supporter

    Joined:
    May 4, 2006
    Messages:
    907
    Likes Received:
    394
    So vijaydeep,

    you smoke so that you can get a "cool" feeling in your throat?????..........hahahahahaha......There truly are some unique characters on this forum. Just use a breathmint or halls or swallow some toothpaste..... you dont have to light up menthol and smoke it like chronic.

    Non-alcoholic beers???? those probably taste horrible. Ive never heard of someone saying that they enjoy the taste of beer until theyve actually had a couple.
     
  21. vijaydeep Singh

    vijaydeep Singh
    Expand Collapse
    SPNer

    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2004
    Messages:
    1,744
    Likes Received:
    86
    Gurfateh

    Das does not smoke but his frined told das about this.It may contain a sort of vapuriser.
     

Share This Page