Sorry, I got the pages in reverse order, when I first put them up. Have corrected it now, so it's easier to follow.
I would very much like it if you were our resident DG expert, able to answer questions and help us with our understanding, without the need for all this cloak and dagger routine.
I do apologise if it feels like cloak and dagger. I am just trying to appraoch these subjects as best and as honestly as I can.
I do not think it is your ego that is the problem, is is more the agenda, if you are looking for an honest debate with a view to learn and share, that is one thing, if, however, you have a clearly defined agenda that you wish to proselytise, and you wish to use the forum for that purpose, then that is different.
I do have an agenda but it is not to disrupt or to deceive. I want to explore and share more sources that are bandied about on this forum by some people that have been misleading others.
Having said that, it would be a shame to waste your knowledge and understanding, I would very much like it if you were our resident DG expert, able to answer questions and help us with our understanding
I feel very uncomfortable about being called an expert on DG, as I am still learning a whole lot about this Granth myself. However I am absolutely willing to share anything that I have learned, and also answer questions that I am able to .
Kullyji
Welcome back, I hope your ill health gets better, thank you for your kind contributions on a topic that little is known about.
Thanks very much and you're welcome.
Here is another very interesting page from Bansawalinama:
I have translated it as follows. Please read and offer any corrections.
As much as you can, follow the guidance of the Granth Sahib
Recognise no other than the Granth, Granth Sahib are two proper brothers
One is the elder, the other is the younger, it is told. (265)
(Here the words “vadda” and “shota” can also mean big and small, but here is means elder and younger, which is more apparent by the following lines.)
In the year of sixteen hundred and fifty-eight, the Aad granth was born
The Aad Granth took birth in the abode of Guru Arjan Ji
The midwife was Bhai Gurdas, the scribe and play-companion (266)
(Here it is very interesting how Chibber has presented the writing of Pothi Sahib as if it were a child taking birth in a house. he has also described Bhai Gurdas as the midwife, and then a child’s play companion, which could also be a caretaker of the child, whereas Bhai Gurdas was the scribe and assisted with the process of compilation.)
The younger Granth took birth in the abode of the tenth Guru
In the year of seventeen hundred and fifty-five, there were many scribes-play companions
This was very precious to the Master, He wrote it with his own hand, and took care of it.
The Sikhs made a plea, Master please join this with the previous one (267)
(Here again Chibber has written that the Sikhs obviously had a great deal of affection for the Guru’s writings and asked him to join it to the previous granth – Pothi Sahib)
The Master spoke:” The Granth Sahib is that one, this is my play
This beloved won’t be joined, who can understand the mystery?
Therefore, recognise the two brother Granth Sahibs as the Guru/(look to them for guidance).
The elder granth is the Tikka, the Gutke pothia, recognise them as children and grandchildren.” (268)
(Here Guru Sahib has responded, that Pothi Sahib is the Tikka – next in line to the throne, but also telling the Sikhs to recognise both Granths as brothers and to look to them both for knowledge/guidance. This reminds me of a question about the inauguration of DG and here it is clear why there was no need for inauguration of DG as a Granth. Also the reference to Gutke- pothia seems to be a message to treat them with respect as the offspring of the King. These Gutke would have contained writings from both Granths.)
All were told one message, the Sikh is the one, who obeys these
Whatever the Guru has said, the Sikh follows, “Contemplating the Guru, I have been taught these teachings” (269)
“So do that work, which the Guru tells you to do. Why are you chasing after the Guru's actions?
Follow the words that the Guru has given you. Do not mingle your own wisdom/knowledge” (270)
(Here is a very clear command to the Sikhs to firstly accept the Guru’s decisions regarding the status of both Granths, and to accept the Guru’s decision to keep them separate.)
“Just a someone helps his son understand, sitting him at his side, and dispelling his concerns
But doesn’t make such assertions with others sons.” (221)
(Here Guru Sahib is talking of a dutiful father who has a responsibility to his son to nurture and protect him, but doesn’t have the same responsibility to others son’s. Guru Ji is saying here that he has the responsibility to guide those who have become his Sikhs)
“The True Guru cuts away the bonds of his Sikhs, The Sikh of the Guru abstains from evil deeds.
The Sikh is that who commits no evils, keeping the Guru’s word embedded in their heart.” (272)
“The True Guru cherishes His Sikh. The Guru is always merciful to His servant.
The Guru washes away the filth of the evil intellect of His Sikh. Through the Guru's Teachings, he chants the Lord's Name.” (273)
“Those who follow the Guru’s word, that Sikh is pleasing to the Guru
Those that disobey the Guru’s word, recognise that he will drown.” (274)
(Not drown as in a river, but Guru Sahib here is saying that his human life will not be successful.)
“Parents disown those children who are not good, those who turn away from the Guru’s word are such bad children
Brother Sikhs! Do not be like those bad children, Be Sikhs, good children of the Guru.” (275)
And here the theme changes…
So from these verses, we can say that the authorship of DG was by no other but Guru Sahib himself. The Dasam Granth was compiled in Guru Sahib’s lifetime, and the Sikhs obviously as well as Guru Sahib had a lot of affection for DG, as they expressed a desire to see it merged with Aad Pothi. We can also ascertain the statuses of both Granths very clearly. Aad Granth is the Guru, but DG is also to be respected, and the Sikhs are to seek guidance from both. Furthermore Guru Sahib clearly tells the Sikhs not to bring their own intellect into it but to accept the Guru’s wisdom and enshrine it in their hearts.