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  1. kggr001

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    Researchers from the University of Missouri found plants respond to attack
    They discovered the sound of caterpillars eating made them more defensive
    Plants that heard caterpillar sounds released more mustard oils, which are unappealing to caterpillars and thus ward them off
    But plants that heard the wind, despite having a similar acoustic sound, knew not to waste their defensive capabilities
    This suggests plants are able to identify sounds in their environment


    Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...etarians-Plants-hear-eaten.html#ixzz36Rdm261H
     
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  3. Tejwant Singh

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    "Let me switch on my Hearing Aid", said one fern to the other.
     
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    The same divine light is within everything: Mineral, Plant, Animal, Human... The 'DOER' - The 'EXPERIENCER' is the same ONE in everything.... even though their experiences may be vastly different.

    Plants also react to music btw :winkingkaur:
     
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    :peacesign:Did you know Prince Charles has often been seen talking to plants ?
     
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    Guru nanak ji already settled that 500 years ago when He wrote..OH Man..you have absolutley NO IDEA as to what constitutes Vege and what constitutes Non_vege....... Kaun...Maas Kaun Saag kehaveh....You see the SUPERFICIAL differences..you argue and you rant..that the ghaas eater is holier than the meat eater..But ALL Food is Food...ha ha...The Gazelle has to be the Fastest to escape being eaten..the LION has to catch the SLOWEST gazelle...its cycle of life...:winkingkudi:
     
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    I do not blame Prince Charles for talking to plants.

    Have you seen his wife? :winkingsingh:
     
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    itsmeet ji,

    Guru Fateh,

    First please explain Nitnem and meditation and what modus operandi do you use for them?

    FYI, there is no such thing as meditation as per Sikhi. Gurbani in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru talks about our MANN thousands of time, which means one to create thought process through Gurbani so it can become one's second nature via deeds.

    Secondly, I went to the site you posted and the particular URL, it does not mention anything that you claim and most of the saloks are misinterpreted just to forward some non Sikhi agenda which the author may only know about.

    Lastly, you above claim makes no sense because one can only do Nitnem or "meditate" without feeling the pangs of hunger in one's tummy.

    Regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    According through this bani Guru ji used 23x the word meditation/meditate they are telling us over and over how important meditation on naam is.
     
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    Nitnem - Nit means Daily..ALWAYS..and Nem is Discipline..planned..according to the timetable...

    NITNEM of The CREATOR...what He has Ordianed via His Laws...The SUN rises and sets...the earth revolves..and revolves..the Universe..everything..follows the LAWS as per limits set in motion....No moment when Gravity stops and apples fall upwards or rain rises from the earth...

    What is the LAW that governs us Humans ? The Laws that we have to NITNEM ??
    These "Laws" are so straightforward and SIMPLE...they are set forward right in the Very beginning of SGGS....the Law that sates a Human has to be TRUTH...thruthful living..embodiment of TRUTH that is the CREATOR HIMSELF...Just as the SUN rises on the dot day in and day out..a SIKH of the GURU has to LIVE TRUTH on the Dot ...day in and day out..till the last moment when the "sun" SETS..and the Sohila is read....the Slok mahalla nauvahn..are read to signal the "sun" has SET... The Law that ONLY HE is KARTA and He is the PURAKH..we are just "creations"..wives of the Purakh...so live accordingly...Nirbhau..Nirvair..etc etc..THESE are the ACTIONS we must ENFORCE reinforce every living MOMENT....just as GRAVITY never stops for even a split second..a SIKH should never be VAIREE...never be AFRAID...even for a split second...or His "Actions" beleie his assertion that He is a SIKH ??? A Sikh that has enmity..that is afraid..is NOT following the Laws of the NITNEM...its ACTION..ACTION and ONLY ACTION. Sadly we have been led down the rosy garden path that impresses upon us that after we ahve dutifully "muttered" the magical number of banis in the fastest recod setting time..we have done the Nitnem..we are DONE..and now we can lie, we cna cheat, we can curse..at the traffic lights, at the traffic policmen..at the old aldy crossing the street slowly..at our boss for not giving us a day off when we wanted..we cna argue and pay the riksahw driver much less than he asks for...we cna ..we can..we can..and then next Morning..go fastforward with our reading "Nitnem Banis" again and again for 80 years till we breathe our last...and people attending our funeral bhog can say..mar giyah..jhoothah..mar giyah chugleekhor..barrah hankaar see ehnu appneh waddeh ghar da..menghee gaddee dah..BMW vich baith ke Saddam hussein bannjandah see...par BANI bahut Parrhdah see..har aitvaar langgar de jhoothe bhandeh sirf eh manjdah see..Hemkunt 20 baar giyah see....does anyone ever say..SUN charraih hee nahin...chand kidhar challah giyah..hava kion band hai..barish dhartee ton uppar nu pai rahee hai ???.

    We ahve made the mistake of taking the same meanings that were already there before GURU NANAK Ji came and CHANGED them..we REFUSE to accept the CHANGES....we want the Staus Quo....IF the Vedas and the Brahmchariahs have been chanting mantars for aeons..we shall also CHANT mool mantar...125,000 times..??? why listen to GURU NANAK ??
     
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    Hundreds of thousands of PAID paaths, paid ardasses, Akhandpaaths, sehaj paaths, bentis, etc are being done by SIKHS all over the world..there are Akhandpaaths in ABSENTIA..being paid for ONLINE with Hukmnamahs being sent online...and Millions of SIKHS are muttering millions of moolmantars, japjis, sukhmanis, etc etc..like parrots..many are having Mechanical paaths on continous CDs DVDS Thumb Drives being "listened" to continously...and YET our KAUM is going down the gutter...Youth are either "high" on this muttering/conspicous gatra huge karras and high dummallas" stuff..or the heroin cocaine sniffing HIGHS..or alcoholics..or "high" on getting rich asap regardeless of how they get rich...no more honesty, high ideals of hard work, kirt waand chhaknna etc etc..Proportionately the SIKHS have produced the greatest number of TRAITORS than any other Nation...From the disobedient sons of the GURUS..to the Tatt Khalsa who betrayed the Banda Singh Khalsa Forces leading to a delay in the formation of the Khalsa Raaj,, to the traitors who led to the downfall and annexation of the Khalsa raaj in 1850's to the situation in Punjab Today where the Sikhs are badly infested with TRAITORS and BABAS DERAS, fakes of all sorts and colours....where to most Sikhs MONEY talks and talks so loudly it drowns out the conscience and reason. SIKH "agents" sell out other Sikhs as Slaves in foreign countries, Sikh drug smugglers, sikh alcohol shop owners, sikh owners of factories that make drugs fake medicines, fake milk etc etc..ALL for MONEY...

    Whats the BASIC CAUSE ?? we are doing millions of akhand paaths, billions of akhand Jaaps, chaupaii paaths, sukhmani paaths etc etc...and we are still going downhill...DO we ahve the courage to STOP..take a step backward and THINK ?...Are we NIBHAU ? or we are afraid others will call us nastik...non-beleivers..communist...whatever..dare we face up to the truth...and start doing the REAL NITNEM..Real CharanPahul..Real MEDITATION..the REAL authentic stuff found in SGGS and not the fake failed methods of meditation nitnems taught by the Yogis sadhus, that Guru ji rubbished in Siddh Ghhosht asa dee vaar..sukhmani...??? CHALLENGE is at our feet..the Ball is in our court..:realangrymunda::realangrymunda::faujasingh::faujasingh::faujasingh::faujasingh::faujasingh:
     
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    Sir, am neither regular in Nitnem nor meditation. Nitnem to me is 5 Baanis a Sikh should atleast do a day & meditation is to put your whole concentration on Gurmantar 'Waheguru'. If you have some other definition, please enlighten me.



    Claim !!! "View" is more appropriate word to use. Who am I to claim.
     
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    Jios, the current discussion does not match the thread title or opening post...

    Thanks
     
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    Interesting thought:

    Sound is basically just vibration - what you 'hear' is not what travels through the air... Our world is basally silent. Sound is actually created by pressure waves in the medium (air). For sound to occur, there must be a source, a medium... and a receiver. Our ears are the receiver, tympanic membrane (eardrum) receives the vibrations, they are transmitted through your middle ear structures (3 tiny bones called incus, malleus, stapes) and then passed to the chochlea and then nerves take it to the brain to be deciphered into what you interpret as 'sound' Your actual experience of it though is basically electrical signals and the 'sound' you hear is entirely internal.

    How does this relate to plants? Plants are very susceptible to vibration. They have been shown to react to music... and even human voices talking to them. A plant can and does interpret these same pressure waves we do... but their internal experience ... what they 'hear' and how they interpret it is likely vastly different to us.
     
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    Then Vegans and Vegetarians better be careful eating such sensitive creatures.
     
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    kggr001 ji,

    Guru Fateh.

    I am sorry to say that you are wrong in your assumption of the usage of meditation/meditate in your above post.

    First, let’s define what meditation is as per English language dictionary.

    http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/meditate

    Meditate

    Verb
    Focus one’s mind for a period of time, in silence or with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a method of relaxation.

    Let me offer you a bit of background about the literal translations of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in English and why they are flawed and misleading.

    The earlier translators were all Christian missionaries and hence used a biblical slant in their translations. The Sikh disciples who learnt from them did the same. This is the reason you see Lord- which is a personified deity unlike Ik Ong Kaar- in the English translation of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.

    This is also the reason the majority of them are not only misleading, flawed but also not as per true meaning of Gurbani which is a shame. Meditation and other words are inserted to simplify/or to take a short cut rather than explaining the true meaning which is in Gurmukhi and it is a shame indeed because many Sikhs are misled with the incorrect English translations. In fact I wrote a little piece about “Lord as Ik Ong Kaar” many years ago. Here it is:
    http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/186-lord-as-ik-ong-kaar.html

    Now, coming back to Meditate/Meditation, you will find the following words from the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru, used as Meditate/Meditation in different contexts and not all mean the same thing. Hence the question arises which is what and used for what?

    So, please tell me how you decipher all this in a lay man’s terms.

    Personally, I think words like Meditation and Lord do not belong in the translation of our visionary Gurbani given to us by our Gurus in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, our only Guru.

    Some of these words are taken out from your own post above.

    These references of the words Meditate and Meditation are taken from the following site:

    http://www.srigranth.org/

    ਨਾਮੁ=3303 times
    naam=2542 times
    ਸਿਮਰਨ=149
    ਭਜਨ=57 times
    ਹਰਿ ਭਜਨ=17 times
    ਭਜੈ=10 times
    ਸਿਮਰਤ=175 times
    ਭਜ=250 times
    ਵੀਚਾਰਿ=100 times
    ਭਾਉ=201 times
    ਧਿਆਨੁ=121
    ਮਨਿ= 1443 times
    ਮਤਿ= 951 times
    Mind=4987 times
    Meditation=564 times
    Meditate= 1613 times
    Let’s ponder over this a bit.

    Thanks and regards

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    Tejwant ji, I don't see how what some of us call here vedic meditation does not define "Focus one’s mind for a period of time, in silence or with the aid of chanting, for religious or spiritual purposes or as a method of relaxation:". This is exactly what so called vedic meditation does.

    I also learned most of Sikhi from Sikhwiki it's a wonderful place :D
    This is what I do believe Meditation is and does.
    http://www.sikhiwiki.org/index.php/Meditation,_the_doorway_to_higher_consciousness
     
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    Vedic meditation has nothing to do with Sikhi but rather to the contrary. As mentioned before, all the above words have been used in the translations of Gurbani from its original to English and all of them translated as To Meditate or Meditation.

    My question still stands, what is which and which is what in the context of the shabad?

    It is no good copying and pasting literal translations from the net and believing them to be true without going through the whole Shabad and comprehending its message with one owns understanding. Otherwise it all becomes futile and makes us the parrots of Gurbani with an ugly plumage rather than its practitioners.

    Secondly, quoting one liners from the Gurbani via Sikhiwiki or from any other source does not do justice to our Gurus' shabads. One liner are used by some as a weapon not as a tool as Gurbani suggests us to do.

    Tejwant Singh
     
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    I posted that link not cause of the One Liners in it, that link does explain what vedic like meditation is and what it does. I basically showed you what I see as meditation. What I mean by meditating is being super consciences, being one with the divine. Everyone has his/her own way of doing that. One might do it in the vedic ways, the other might meditate by doing sewa, and others by reading and understanding the GGS ji. And some other person might meditate by just realizing the greatness of the lord.
     
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    Kggr001 ji,

    This thread has nothing to do with meditation or whatever it may mean . Please start another thread if you wish to do so. I was forced to contest your claim in the long copied and pasted shabads with the word meditation used for different words with different meanings.

    Let's stick to the "talking" zucchini here so to speak.:blueturban:


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