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16-05-2008, 01:09 PM
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| | Aad ji:
fantastic! I can' wait to start reading from that site. Here's my small contribution for today:
C. Shackle An introduction to the sacred language of the Sikhs
School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, 1983.
ISBN: 0728601079
The book is a primer on grammar to understand the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. It's all right but the author omits romanization too quickly, making the task more difficult than it should be. The vocabulary is excellent.
__________________ AYsy gur kau bil bil jweIAY Awip mukqu moih qwrY |aisay gur ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai aap mukat mohi taarai. ||
-I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to such a Guru; He Himself is liberated, and He carries me across as well. p. 1301 | 
16-05-2008, 07:22 PM
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| | Futurekaur,
I am trying to find the book by Shackle. Another forum member, Kelly Kaur, recommends it also. The publisher Corbin sold the copyright to another publisher Rutledge, who does not list the book now on its web site. Forum members would probably appreciate it very much if you were to tell us how you acquired the book.
As for the list so far. Thank you.. and give feedback if there are some things that might need to be cut out. Next step is to look at all the books on the SPN Book Store and make recommendations. __________________ ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe. | 
17-05-2008, 10:55 AM
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| | Aad ji;
I borrowed the Shackle book from UNC's library. For those in the U.S. you can borrow the book for free via library loan from your local public library.
Here is the Worldcat no:10538259
To buy the book:
type in the title into 'Google Books' on the right you will see the various booksellers you can buy it from, look about as prices really vary! I got mine for $35. USD from ABE books.
Saujanya Books Saujanya Books: Leading Exporters of Indian and Tibetan Books in India also sells it for $44.00 USD a good price but for overseas sales minimum orders must be $60.
you could get C. Shackle's 'Guru Nanak Glossary'
I actually bought another book Surinder Singh Kohli's 'Dictionary of the Guru Granth Sahib" from Biblio Used Books, Textbooks, Rare Books, and Out of Print Books at Biblio something like $12 US with s/h as it comes from UK. It's a later book than Shackle's and I can always compare it with the Shackle glossary and buy that one later.
__________________ AYsy gur kau bil bil jweIAY Awip mukqu moih qwrY |aisay gur ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai aap mukat mohi taarai. ||
-I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to such a Guru; He Himself is liberated, and He carries me across as well. p. 1301 | 
17-05-2008, 11:38 AM
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| | futurekaur ji
Thank you for this information. Ending several frustrating months waiting for the book to be re-stocked by another asian book seller. Will get right on it.
Fateh! __________________ ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe. | 
20-05-2008, 09:37 AM
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| | Aad ji;
I'm glad to have been of help.
For those wanting to learn to speak Modern Punjabi. There is: Colloquial Panjabi : a complete language course / Mangat Rai Bhardwaj.
Routledge, 1995
ISBN: 041510193X
I cannot recommend it, as the book uses an overly complex Romanisation and the Gurmukhi for the lessons is in the back, making it extremely hard to use.
there is :
Teach Yourself Panjabi: by Surji Singh Kalra
Teach Yourself books, 3rd Rev. 2007
034095891X
I have no comment. I purchased an old paperback 'Teach Yourself Panjabi' by Prof Shackle for $7.00 The older books have more grammar which is more helpful to me.
__________________ AYsy gur kau bil bil jweIAY Awip mukqu moih qwrY |aisay gur ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai aap mukat mohi taarai. ||
-I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to such a Guru; He Himself is liberated, and He carries me across as well. p. 1301 | 
20-05-2008, 10:13 AM
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| | futurekaur ji
As usual you are meticulous in the detail you provide, and very straightforward. Thank you.
Now cheer! I have just found An Introduction to the Sacred Language of the Sikhs, per your advice, and bought it 10 minutes ago. Then proceeded to purchase Professor Surinder Singh Kohil's Dictionary of the Guru Granth Sahib. Now, having wrecked my oath to pinch pennies for the next few months, I nonetheless thank you for all your help.
I can read the Romanized transliteration of Gurbani -- making yet another mistake more than a year ago to study it in earnest. So that part will be OK (I hope).
But this is so wonderful.  __________________ ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe. | 
20-05-2008, 12:53 PM
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| | Folks
For English speakers who want to brush up on their Panjabi - try this. http://www.sikhism.com/books/primer.pdf
Let me know if it's any good.
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23-05-2008, 08:47 AM
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| | Futurekaur ji Note by aad0002: Those replies, which have been deleted on this thread, were moved to moved to a new thread in the Leisure forum, starting at http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/lifestyle/21692-punjabi-spn-discussing-vocabulary-grammar-more-2.html#post79794
__________________ AYsy gur kau bil bil jweIAY Awip mukqu moih qwrY |aisay gur ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai aap mukat mohi taarai. ||
-I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to such a Guru; He Himself is liberated, and He carries me across as well. p. 1301
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23-05-2008, 08:47 AM
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| | Dal ji;
the alphabet and common everyday words are very good and helpful. But non-Punjabis beginners like me need more help; a verb table with declensions and sentence construction. I appreciate your posting it, and I'm sure it will be helpful to others here.
__________________ AYsy gur kau bil bil jweIAY Awip mukqu moih qwrY |aisay gur ka-o bal bal jaa-ee-ai aap mukat mohi taarai. ||
-I am a sacrifice, a sacrifice to such a Guru; He Himself is liberated, and He carries me across as well. p. 1301 | 
23-05-2008, 09:47 AM
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| | Dalsingh ji
This book is actually a good one for me. I need vocabulary builders. And the drill aspect of this is good.
Thankx __________________ ਮਨ ਕਰਹਲਾ ਗੁਰ ਗੋਵਿੰਦੁ ਸਮਾਲਿ ॥ man karehalaa gur govindh samaal O camel-like mind, dwell upon the Guru and the Lord of the Universe. | |
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