07-Jun-2009, 11:11 AM
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| |  | | | Wrong translation of Japuji Sahab by Radhaswami sect.
Khalsa veer jio, ਵਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹਜੀ ||
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I was studing a translation of Japuji Saahab by Dr.T R Shangari, who taught Gurbaani and Sufi kalaam to the students of Punjab UniversityAt DAV College,Jalandhar.(Punjab). Whils translating first Pauri of Japu ji Sahab,"Sochey soch na hovai je sochey likh waar !!"
Being a follwer of Radhaswami sect, by the grace of Guru ji he was not enlightened to translate these lines in its true form. Guruji didn't worship to be able to express actual meanings as he had bifurcated from the path of Sikhism. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25316
This shows what he would have taught his students in his carrier as a Gurbaani teacher. He would have certainly prepared the scholars towards Radhaswami sect but distancesed himself from the blessings of Guru ji(Akal Purakh).
In translation he describes the meanings of 'soch' as passing the stool or human excreta. he further says tHAt the meanings of 'SOCH' SEEMS CONNECTED WITH THE CLEANLINESS OF BODY.
Though i can assume the meanings but i request all the partcipants of this forum to describe It's meanings themselves and define in detail please.
Ajmer Singh Randhawa. 
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07-Jun-2009, 20:21 PM
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| |  | | | Re: Wrong translation of Japuji Sahab by Radhaswami sect.
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Khalsa veer jio, ਵਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹਜੀ ||
I was studing a translation of Japuji Saahab by Dr.T R Shangari, who taught Gurbaani and Sufi kalaam to the students of Punjab UniversityAt DAV College,Jalandhar.(Punjab). Whils translating first Pauri of Japu ji Sahab,"Sochey soch na hovai je sochey likh waar !!"
Being a follwer of Radhaswami sect, by the grace of Guru ji he was not enlightened to translate these lines in its true form. Guruji didn't worship to be able to express actual meanings as he had bifurcated from the path of Sikhism.
This shows what he would have taught his students in his carrier as a Gurbaani teacher. He would have certainly prepared the scholars towards Radhaswami sect but distancesed himself from the blessings of Guru ji(Akal Purakh).
In translation he describes the meanings of 'soch' as passing the stool or human excreta. he further says tHAt the meanings of 'SOCH' SEEMS CONNECTED WITH THE CLEANLINESS OF BODY.
Though i can assume the meanings but i request all the partcipants of this forum to describe It's meanings themselves and define in detail please.
Ajmer Singh Randhawa.
| Ajmer Singh ji,
Guru Fateh.
Is there any way for you to post his translation of Japji in the forum? Lots of people including Prof. Sahib Singh, Maskeen ji, Yogi Bhajan, Manmoham Singh and others have translated the same pauri in diffferent manners.
It will be interesting to do the comparative studies on it so we can all learn from it.
I have an idea. Why don't you post Pauri by Pauri, one at a time the translations of Japji from all you know and read about, including this Radasoami's and also share the same in your own words about your own thought process about the posted Pauri and then rest of us can pitch in? This will be a great way for all of us to understand and do Shabad Vichaar collectively so we can really immerse in the concept of," Mil Sadh Sangat bhaj keval Naam".
Thanks
Tejwant Singh
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07-Jun-2009, 22:41 PM
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| | | | | Re: Wrong translation of Japuji Sahab by Radhaswami sect.
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa...Waheguru Ji Ki Fathe....Ajmer Singh Ji...
Maafi Chawanga...(I am sorry to say) that Its Jap baani... or you can say JAPu...but not JAPJI aur JAPUJI... baani.... JI and Sahib...we added as respect....same way we have other baani's...like..Sukmani, Rehraas, Anand, Jaap, Chaupi,.....Sahib and Ji we add as respect...... Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25316Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25316
Bhul Chuk Maaf..........
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07-Jun-2009, 22:48 PM
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| | | | | Re: Wrong translation of Japuji Sahab by Radhaswami sect.
Veer Tejwant Singh ji, Gur Fateh !! Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25316
I have raised the issue here in this forum before you learnered scholars of Guru Granth Sahab ji. Translation of Gurbaani is not so simple for an ordinary person like me. I am able to express myself but translating Gurbaani in English, is an uphill task for me. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25316
Even than by the grace of God, i shall try as you have suggested but before that what he has written, i have passed it on here, for to be viewed by you members.
'Soch' means - he has described "SHAUCH" So you can better under stand if i have stated anything wrong.Kindly suggest.
Sangtan da das.
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07-Jun-2009, 22:50 PM
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Veerji, ਵਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕਾਖਾਲਸਾਵਹਿਗੁਰੂਜੀਕੀਫਤਿਹਜੀ ||Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25316
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08-Jun-2009, 00:11 AM
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Originally Posted by AdsKhalsa  Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa...Waheguru Ji Ki Fathe....Ajmer Singh Ji...
Maafi Chawanga...(I am sorry to say) that Its Jap baani... or you can say JAPu...but not JAPJI aur JAPUJI... baani.... JI and Sahib...we added as respect....same way we have other baani's...like..Sukmani, Rehraas, Anand, Jaap, Chaupi,.....Sahib and Ji we add as respect......
Bhul Chuk Maaf..........
Chardi Kala........ | Why?
I see this as nit picking. |
08-Jun-2009, 00:14 AM
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I think AdsKhalsa is stating that '"jap" means chant so jap bani is chant bani. |
08-Jun-2009, 00:17 AM
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Veer Randip Singh ji, whom you have addressed and what do you mean of nit picking ? Please define Thanks
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08-Jun-2009, 00:17 AM
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Originally Posted by randip singh Why?
I see this as nit picking. |
Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa..Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh...
I am saying just write is separately ..not compelling not to write Ji or Sahib..Just because of us it is conveyed wrong to new generation....we not not to change baani... its same way we added Jo with our jaikara...I conveyed whatever is right......believe it or not ..its on individual's own perception...
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