Hazur Sahib Tilak Question?

Randip Singh · #1 (**permalink**) 17-Jan-2009, 23:24 PM

YouTube - Hazur sahib jhatka for tilak part1

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Don't watch the clip, if you are squeamish, but I was wondering about this ceremony at Hazur Sahib. Is it to commemorate the 10th Master killing Bandha Bahadhurs goat to feed his men?

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #2 (**permalink**) 18-Jan-2009, 07:11 AM

You could be absolutley right s. Randip singh jio....

Randip Singh · #3 (**permalink**) 18-Jan-2009, 16:24 PM

I don't know you see.

One thing I find fascinating about Hazur'y Sikh's is that they are probably about the closest thing we have to how the tenth master practised Sikhism. They have not been corrupted by the "Vaishnavite" influences that have corrupted Sikhs in Punjab. They settled there from the time of the 10th Guru so just carried on his traditions. They have a very strong martial tradition (something many of todays Sikhs are losing). They are away from the politics of Punjab. Caste is not something they seem concerned about.
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Maybe we should ALL start to follow the Hazuree Sikh example?

pk70 · #4 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by randip singh

I don't know you see.

One thing I find fascinating about Hazur'y Sikh's is that they are probably about the closest thing we have to how the tenth master practised Sikhism. They have not been corrupted by the "Vaishnavite" influences that have corrupted Sikhs in Punjab. They settled there from the time of the 10th Guru so just carried on his traditions. They have a very strong martial tradition (something many of todays Sikhs are losing). They are away from the politics of Punjab. Caste is not something they seem concerned about.

Maybe we should ALL start to follow the Hazuree Sikh example?

Randip Singh ji
Please give me a few reasons beyond veg/non veg theory that Hazori Sikhs are not corrupt as Sikhs are in other places?
Do you think, in that particular place Sikh tradition from Tenth Master was kept where he hardly lived for a few years and where he spent most of his life, tradition has died, how it is possible? How it is possible that only Hazor sahib is the only place that remains intact of other influences? How they have become examples to be followed? To do Jhatka and not believing in Caste system are enough to become a model role for Sikhs? Kindly elaborate with facts if you are serous to consider them models to follow.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #5 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 12:04 PM

Personally I wouldnt have anything to do with anything "Hazooree"......imho they are NOT following Gurmatt as in the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.....far from it. just my own opinion.

Randip Singh · #6 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 15:37 PM

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Originally Posted by pk70

Randip Singh ji
Please give me a few reasons beyond veg/non veg theory that Hazori Sikhs are not corrupt as Sikhs are in other places?
Do you think, in that particular place Sikh tradition from Tenth Master was kept where he hardly lived for a few years and where he spent most of his life, tradition has died, how it is possible? How it is possible that only Hazor sahib is the only place that remains intact of other influences? How they have become examples to be followed? To do Jhatka and not believing in Caste system are enough to become a model role for Sikhs? Kindly elaborate with facts if you are serous to consider them models to follow.

Forget the non-veg veg thing...that runs in Punjab.

I am more interested in the Vaishnavite influences that seem predominant in Punjab.

Hi Gyani ji,

What is it you find objectionable about the Hazuree Sikh's?

Archived_member7 · #7 (**permalink**) 19-Jan-2009, 20:38 PM

The biggest point is ..Hazoor Sahib has not JATTS

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so No JATT VAAD ...No ego filled Punjabiyat...I have been there and interacted they are simplier..lack Haume...Amritsar Sahib..has vaishnav Pundits...too many wannabe gurus..as we enter the complex...we have a bibi 'instructing' my wife..to cover her head..well..thats what i call in Hinglish as tokofying..tokde rehna ...as if its only them to know all ...

Randip Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 21-Jan-2009, 05:30 AM

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Originally Posted by rajkhalsa

The biggest point is ..Hazoor Sahib has not JATTS

so No JATT VAAD ...No ego filled Punjabiyat...I have been there and interacted they are simplier..lack Haume...Amritsar Sahib..has vaishnav Pundits...too many wannabe gurus..as we enter the complex...we have a bibi 'instructing' my wife..to cover her head..well..thats what i call in Hinglish as tokofying..tokde rehna ...as if its only them to know all ...

I must visit this place to see for myself. I am really fascinated by the variations on Sikhi. From 3HO, to Afghani Sikhs to Kala Sikhs in Kenya to Hazuree Sikhs....how diverse.

PS I am sure there were some Jatts with Guru Gobind Singh ji originally, they probably just intermarried and now are all Sikh. You are right about the Punjabiat hangup's though.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #9 (**permalink**) 21-Jan-2009, 08:12 AM

randip singh jio
gurfateh.

I am not referring to Hazuree SIKHS....i am referring to the type of "Sikhi" practised at Hazir sahib... all those aartees//alias aartaas.... tallis..talls...lighted lamps ghee jyots....monis and weapons tilak with goats blood etc etc.
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The Hazuree SIKHS are just as human as anyone else...and I have visited them and their homes..fascinating people