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26-02-2005, 11:09 AM
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| | I visited a friend this evening who has her home decorated with lots of Catholic imagery. I was admiring a set of angel figurines that she had on display in her living room.
She then asked me if my religion believes in Angels.
I didn't know how to answer, other than "duhhhhhh...I'm not sure..."
Does Gurbani say anything about the existence of Angels? I don't recall anything, but now I'm curious!
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26-02-2005, 11:30 AM
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| | Gurbani mentions words like dev, bhoot, prait, jakh, kinnar, pishach __________________ jau qau pRym Kylx kw cwau[[ isr Dir qlI glI myrI Awau[[ iequ mwrig pYru DrIjY [[ isr dIjY kwix n kIjY [[ ..................................... gurU swihb (AMg 1412) | 
26-02-2005, 05:08 PM
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| | I don't think Sikhism rules out the possibility of them, but because God alone is focussed on they wouldn't be of any importance in Sikhism. __________________ "Worship and adore the Lotus Feet of God." 189 | 
28-02-2005, 10:43 AM
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| | Sikshism denies the existence of Heaven and Hell.
In effect this would mean denying the existence of 'heavenly' beings like Angels and Satan.
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28-02-2005, 11:39 AM
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| | Dear Amerikaur Ji,
We sikhs conceptualise God as EkOngkar i.e. the One. In Sikhi there are no dualities. The is One and only One.
True, all entities that existed in the prevailing scripture in land of origin of Sikhi, find place in Gurbani as they have to be referred too and negated to make we Sikhs understand what is meant by One; this is what Gurbani has done.
We believe in One; no dualities.
With love and respect for all.
Amarpal Singh.
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28-02-2005, 10:24 PM
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| | Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh
Das can say as per Akalustat that Devta,Adev,Jachh,Gardrab,turk Hindu,Nayre Nayre Deshan Ke Bhesh ko Prabhav hai.
So they could be the human races from various regions of the earth.Or could be aliens from various part of the universe or indeed great people coming to present from future or Past.
Or may be manifestations of Akal in physical form.like say as per traditions of Santan Sikhs,
Akal takes the form of Brahma to create,Vishnu to protect,And Shiva to destroy.but all is Akal.May be there is no form of these trinity but they are addresssed as an attribute of Akal as creator,Protector and destroyer.In Vedas formless God is one who does various roles.Only in Puranas there are instance of there form.
But it is not impossilbe either that Akal can not take a form of Vishnu or Shiva or Brahma.Akal can take Saguna as well as Nirguna roop.In Vachitar Natak they are termed as Brihad(all composing) and Sukhshma(Micro or real).
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01-03-2005, 02:13 AM
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| | __________________ "Worship and adore the Lotus Feet of God." 189 | 
01-03-2005, 06:41 PM
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| | Sikhs do not belive in Avtaarvaad and this shouldnt be confused with the concept of Sargun. Sargun means that his essence is present in all that is present in the world, in effect he has all the qualities while having none, something like light being both particle and wave in nature.
But physically God is not born of sexual or asexual reproduction and does not take a physical form .. it is impossible to think that a physical form can contain God.
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03-03-2005, 10:08 PM
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| | Ek Oankar Wahiguru Ji Ki Fateh
Avtar in litteral sense means to land.So birth of a child is also an avtar of him.AS soul lands on earth.
Sar Guna is not Saguna,Sar Guna is short of Sarb Guna.
Sarb means all and Guna means quality.So as in Sanskrit language,Guna can be used both in plural and singular form so thats make a good case.
Sar(b) Guna is God,who is having all Guna(Qualitis) as God is inn all So all qualities are bestowed in God.So God is Nir( without) Guna(Single quality).
Then come concept of Saguna Sa(with) Guna(Qualitie(s)),There are entieis which have limited qualities of God.Like Jesus,Mohamud(PBUH) ,Rama,Krishan and not to forget Our Own Gurus and till today many great Gursikh.
Say for example Our Gyani Jarnail Singh Sahib have a quality of fearlessness.Amarpal Singh Ji have quality of sprituality with humbleness.AmritPal Singh Ji have quality of knowlegde.Babber Sher Singh Ji have quality of logic.So they are not there own but of God.
They are with(sa) qualties(guna) of God. Das here wants to say that as per his faith Khalsa is Saguna Avtar of Akal in Kaliyuga.
Then weather it is possible to think or not to think that God ,who is in atom,in Heart,in mind,in universe can not be in physical form or not,that capabilty can be provided by God.As for God there is nothing impossible.For human who think that they can do something for them it is something possible or impossilbe for God everything is possbile.Das is yet to be like God by God mercy that that can say everything is possbile by him.
But even inn human body if someone reaches the stage of Sarb Kala Samrath,All Art Capable,then there is heardly any need is left to do anything appearing to be impossilbe otherwise.Akal Bless.
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04-03-2005, 06:57 AM
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| | i heard that Sikhs do belive in Angels. My dad like practically studies the ENTIRE SGGS, and he told me cuz i asked him that there r angels, otherwise known as "puri" or something. So i do think we believe in angels. if im proven wrong, so be it.
WJKK WJKF
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