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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion See namjap a Sikh will never try to convert someone of one religion to another. One of the Sikhs missions is to teach humanity about Sikhism and if by these teachings that person chooses to accept Sikhism that is great. People ask for links for source of proof but one of the greatest links we have is our mind and the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. *
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16-Apr-2008, 12:12 PM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh namjap
who told you or where did you read that dalits are not accepted into Sikhism????? |
Your answer does not reflect your above-mentioned quote. Are you contradicting yourself ? | 
16-Apr-2008, 13:28 PM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion namjap How am I contradicting myself? I simply asked you a question without out taking a side on the issue. Then I told you a Sikh will never convert someone of one religion to another. So please explain to me where I contradicted myself in these two comments | 
16-Apr-2008, 13:47 PM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh See namjap a Sikh will never try to convert someone of one religion to another. One of the Sikhs missions is to teach humanity about Sikhism and if by these teachings that person chooses to accept Sikhism that is great. People ask for links for source of proof but one of the greatest links we have is our mind and the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. | Singh Ji,
The greatest link we have is our mind and Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Please elaborate why we are given a mind. If we are not the mind, then who are we ? | 
16-Apr-2008, 21:36 PM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion namjap
who are we? We are body, mind and spirit | 
16-Apr-2008, 22:42 PM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion Quote:
Originally Posted by Singh See namjap a Sikh will never try to convert someone of one religion to another. One of the Sikhs missions is to teach humanity about Sikhism and if by these teachings that person chooses to accept Sikhism that is great. People ask for links for source of proof but one of the greatest links we have is our mind and the Sri Guru Granth Sahib. | Can you give reference from Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji that we are body, mind and spirit ? | 
16-Apr-2008, 23:12 PM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion At the moment I cannot and when I do come across it in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji I will put it on this thread. | 
17-Apr-2008, 00:05 AM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion Is there a bridging proposal for Dalits to adopt the Sikh way of life by allowing gradual changes from their current lifestyle. By this I mean to improve their traditional habits in a step by step way. If there is such an attempt to accept them, then what would be the capacity of inflow of new sikhs from this Dalit caste ? Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-sikhism/20679-contradictions-of-opinion.htmlReference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20679
Is there a restriction by the Indian constitution of mass conversion to Sikhism ? | 
17-Apr-2008, 02:24 AM
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| | | | | Re: Contradictions of Opinion Nam Jap ji
I am not missing the subtle parts of your questions. They are all very good and probing. But there is actually a example in real-time that is related to the question you are asking.
There was a proposal by SGPC to admit Sanatan Sikhs into the fold. Sanatan Sikhs historically have been largely members of the Dalit caste. This is going back a few centuries. The proposal was made in April or so a year ago. I am not 100 percent certain of the timing of this. The argument was that Sikhs should and could increase their numbers by forgetting historical differences and religious differences that were part of ancient history. This move many said would be good for everyone. It would improve the political standing of Sikhs in India and it would demonstrate that Sikhism is a religion that embraces many different groups. Now a year later what has happened with this proposal? Do we hear anything about it any more? No. Now once again Sanatans are being characterized as "out of the fold" for their heresies. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20679
My personal opinion is irrelevant. I have some questions however. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=20679
It seems that an older frame of mind dominates the discussion of who is and who is not a Sikh. Yet exclusion by caste goes against the core values of Sikhi. I am well aware of the religious reasons given to exclude Sanatans. Moreover, in day to day life contact with Dalits is kept to a minimum. Only this week there was yet another story of an honor killing in India. A young Sikh woman was caught with her Dalit boyfriend. She was beaten unconscious and the burned to death by her family.
Tell this moorath Westerner then what are the ways in which Dalits can be included if not welcomed. If not conversion, if not evangelism, then what? If not Dalits, then what about others? How do others find their way to the fold? | 
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