16-May-2008, 07:00 AM
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Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa
Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh
I have a Muslim friend who I use to be close with, but due to our studies over the last few years we were separted. We stayed in touch over the phone, though. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/islam/21539-muslim-friendship-dilemma.html
The last six months, I started to explore Sikhi more and more, and now I'm trying to keep kes and wear a turban. I was recently talking to the Babaji at the local Gurdawara and he said something about Muslims that really threw me off.
He said that Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said not trust a Muslim because he will betray you as many times as there number of sesame seeds stuck to his arm after dipping it oil. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21539
I have my doubts about the accuracy of this. In some other forums I read, it said he was referring to the Turks and Pharacis. Well, this friend of mine is nice guy, but he use to make a lot promise that he didn't keep. Nothing serious or anything, but I don't really believe him too much. Now, he wants to a stay with me for a couple of weeks while he studies for a test. I can't tell him no as he is all ready setup to move here.
I don't know what to do. In friendship you have to have trust, but now it's not there as much as it use to be. How do I walk the fine line between friendship and forgiveness and being careful about he says? What would the Gurus advise in this situation? Is it true about Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj said?
Any insight will be much appreciated.
Thank you.
Sincerely,
Jaspreet 
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16-May-2008, 07:07 AM
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This is Kalyug, only trust Guru and Gursikhs. Look at history, it is reality, politics is betrayal. Look at current events missionaries are incredibly deceptive and groom Sikhs for conversion and then lead them to abuse and insult publicly the Guru and Sikh way og life which was formerly loved. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21539Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21539
I think friendships are okay, but to be too involved with people not your own religion leads to political manipulation somewhere down the line, either by the person, or by his friends, or by the society, etc. Your company does have an influence on you. Caution can never be unwelcome. Just be wise. |
16-May-2008, 07:30 AM
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Jaspreet ji
Guru ji never said like that, actually there were Muslims who stood by Guru ji like a rock, a few to mention, like Gani Khan and his brother who went in disguise along with Guru ji to avoid harm to Guru ji, then how we Sikhs can ever forget Peer Budhu Shah ji, who fought with Guru ji side against tyrant Muslims and lost his son. Due to bitter experience during terrible history some people made these comments, these should never be preached as Guru's teaching, it is horrible if any says that. Friends of faiths should be welcome, respect their faith, if they get personal about your faith tell them not to respect each others faith, if they are adamant in behavior, just dump them and move on. All are after all HIS creation !!!
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16-May-2008, 15:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Harjas Kaur Khalsa  This is Kalyug, only trust Guru and Gursikhs. Look at history, it is reality, politics is betrayal. Look at current events missionaries are incredibly deceptive and groom Sikhs for conversion and then lead them to abuse and insult publicly the Guru and Sikh way og life which was formerly loved.
I think friendships are okay, but to be too involved with people not your own religion leads to political manipulation somewhere down the line, either by the person, or by his friends, or by the society, etc. Your company does have an influence on you. Caution can never be unwelcome. Just be wise. | cudnt agree more !! becareful....cos no one cares bwt nyone..it's only guru sahib dats luks after us ..human beings are too obbesseed in worldy affairs...far as i've seen !! manii sikh girls are mates with muslim guys saying dat dey ar onlii firends..n etc...nufin mre ..buh at the end..dey jus doo a runner !!seen it dwn ere...werre i live so dats y i'm saying dis !!bhul chuk maaff karniii !!  |
16-May-2008, 18:14 PM
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Thanks for all the responses, guys. I'm guy and he's a guy. I don't think he will be trying to convert me or anything. You are right though...the only one to fully trust is God and Guruji...rest will come and go. I just wanted to make sure if the statement was true or false. Thanks pk70. I thought along similiar lines. |
17-May-2008, 11:50 AM
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I met all kinds of people.
We just need to learn the individual character and personality.
It's hard to generalize.
The most we could do is, to show our own good character.
It's part of humanity to show compassion to the needy.
We are all human, and it's part of our human nature. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21539Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21539
Better to keep the friendship...with an open mind. |
17-May-2008, 12:59 PM
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Harjas ji;
it was heartbreaking to read those articles. I had an idea this was going on in the UK but the US too? when I go to my gurdwara I see if I can find out more. We kaurs should do something, to help these girls. The shame is on Sikhs who have misplaced values. There is no honour in letting these women remain captive! |
17-May-2008, 21:23 PM
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Harjas is right, caution is called for in this situation. You can't judge people completely by their religion but it is fair to assume some things about them due to their religion. For instance, when you see a Sikh in 5Ks you can assume that person revered the message of the Gurus and considers Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji the sacred text of their religion. By that you can assume they are at least somewhat bound by the tenants of that religion. By the same token, remember that Islam permits Muslims to deceive or lie to non-muslims under certain circumstances, one being a time of war. Also remember that there are only two kinds of realms in Islamic ideology, "Dar al islam" and "Dar al-harb" - The Realm of Islam and the Realm of War. So as long as you are in a non-Islamic State you are considered to be living in the Land of War and war standards hold. That means that a Muslim is free to deceive and lie to you. Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21539Reference:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=21539
That is not to say that your friend is a liar or even that he would lie to you. It is to say that the tenants of his religion allow this, and the tennants of his religion also consider you "guilty" and damned and that it is his sacred duty to do all he can to convert you to his religion. Islam is not like Sikhi - they don't think people have a right to choose their own religion and they have absolutely NO respect for any belief system other than their own.
So, caution is probably a good idea. | 
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