Did Sant Jarnail Singh Bhindrawale ji ever get the respect he deserved as sikh martyr

drkhalsa · #1 (**permalink**) 08-Aug-2005, 19:06 PM

Dear Singh ji and Kaur ji

This topic was in my mind from quite a some time but recently it just surfaced up

We all know about our recent past history in which Akal Takhat declared Jarnail Singh ji Shaheed , I know there are some people on the forum or out there who think other wise and they have full liberty to do but for a Sikh now the thing could be different now Akal Takhat has declared jarnail singh ji Shaheed (i know there will be some of my brother sikhs who will say no Akal Takhat is not authority blah.. blah... but just a reminder this authority was made by guru sahibaans and any body who has some problem with its functioning then they should come forward and do something to rectify it, just saying it is wrong does not mean anything and not abolishes its authority)
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Now the issue is: given the fact Sant Jarnail Singh ji being declared martyr, did he ever get the respect a Sikh martyr deserves (just like bhai dyala ji , baba banda singh bahadar...and many more), and if not then what could be the reason ?One reason i can think of is his shaheedi was kept under cover for long 20 years or so and perhaps it failed to create the impact it should have done...
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Now my second question is: What did Baba Thakur singh ji meant to achieve or achieved by keeping Jarnail Singh ji's shaheedi a secret? Actually this question troubles me a lot so would like to hear from all of you.

Jatinder Singh

S|kH · #2 (**permalink**) 08-Aug-2005, 21:24 PM

There was too much controversy around his actions for him to be respected by all as a great martyr.

And Bhai Thakur Singh Ji most likely withheld the "secret" because of the controversy, so as not to rift the Sikh community once again...wait till the tide is settled.
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Either that, or they thought that if people thought Bhindranwale was still alive, they would actively pursue the Khalistan cause.

Gyani Jarnail Singh · #3 (**permalink**) 08-Aug-2005, 22:09 PM

I concur with SIKH. The whole idea was to keep the Shahedee and the Khalistan movement on the BACK BURNER and allow it to "die" a natural death. This was in total connivance with the GOI...who wanted it this way.

While this was happening and the Movement and the Singhs were "waiting" for Sant Ji's "return"... the GOI began the PHASE II..kill the movement from the INSIDE. Support Badal, jagiro and Cohorts, install puppet Jathedars who would issue totally useless hukmnamas and further divide the Kaum and bring disrepute to the Institutions...and then bring in the RSS in total Force to further ERODE Sikhi and Gurmatt by making more and more Keshadharee Hindus as "Amrtidharee Sikhs"...and continue the onslaught agiasnt the Language, culture, econnomic power of Punjab, steal its waters and electricity, Block any development efforts, keep on more and more DRUGS and infant foeticide etc
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And when the time is RIGHT announce that the Sant is actually dead..LONG AGO,...and cause even more RIFTS and factions as is happening now... The IRON is ICE COLD now and striking it will SHATTER it instead of making it into a SWORD.

This is POLITICS...not RELIGION...and "sikh leaders" fell for it just as they did in 1857..1947...and 1984...and beyond !!

ALL OPINIONS strictly MINE.

jarnail Singh

vijaydeep Singh · #4 (**permalink**) 03-Sep-2005, 19:25 PM

Gurfateh

PS Badal,Late Tohra and most of the present day Jatts who have been doing lots of politics in sgpc are nothing but Kesdhari Hindus.

In Punjab if Sikhism has to survive let idealogy of S Gurbax Singh Ji Kala Afghana,Surjeet Singh Ji missionary of Delhi etc overthrow the fake Akalis.

But if we have to make Guramt strong in rest of teh India also then Idealogy of Dr Jodh Singh has to be encoruaged.

To make Panth flourish in overseas Baba Virsa Singh Ji and Late Yogi Bhajans reaching are neded.

coming back to Sant Ji there are mnay of out own so called Sikhs ,who have misused the name of Sant ji.
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Those guys were unworthy to be Taksal set up by Guru.present head Baba Harnam Singh Ji Khalsa is moving so far in right direction as he also has sense of servitude towards the Panth unlike many inturders in Taksal who would better have been in babbers.

In fact hindus from poor and lower strata are recogansing Sant Jis contribution to humanity.

gurbilas · #5 (**permalink**) 03-Sep-2005, 22:07 PM

I lived in Amritsar quite near to the Golden Temple and as a young boy I was highly impressed by Sant ji's words be it preaching 'Rehat Maryada' or to become 'Tayar-bar-Tayar' with weapons. I guess it was not only exciting but also very close to the 'Sakhis' of valour I had heard from our elders and the Sikh youth were moved immensely by Sant ji's logic and militant approach.
In those days before entering the Golden Temple premises there used to be young Sikh boys holding guns requesting all pilgrims politely to take a few bricks upstairs to build bunkers. I did it myself on a few occasions and felt quite proud of it. There were several stories to hear all the time and the venom spurted out by Hindu leaders especially those from BJP alienated me further from the mainstream leading me to believe in separatism.
Then the Blue Star Operation happened. All said and done the Sikh pride was badly hurt and I personally felt ashamed of being helpless as all I could do was wear a 'Kesri' 'Siropa' and have arguements with the security men in the streets several times only just saved from being taken away. All this continued till finally 'terrorists' struck and killed my uncle who spent most of the time in village nearby looking after the agriculture land. I felt so different and it was only then I first realised that the pain of death is the same for everybody. I could identify more with the affected people and this was basically the reason for the end of terror in Punjab and not any Gill or Rebiero or Beant Singh. There was no leadership for the Sikhs. I was like many other capable of following but not good enough to be a leader probably and hence the youth were lost which is partially the reason for the present state of Punjab.
Sant Jarnail Singh Ji was an excellent leader and he could incite the feeling of religious fervour as none else after him could. He had a mass appeal I have seen this as a commoner sitting in the congregation. As for the path chosen by him, today I am not sure whether that was the best thing to do. The aftermath having been the Blue Star.
Certainly he will be a great figure in the history of the Sikhs but the question I ask today is how true were or are the ghosts of crusades against the Sikhs which were being fought? And even so how right it was to kill people the way they were killed and to gain what? The more we fight these shadows the more they spring at us.
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In fact the reality is we are a scared lot. We know more than 50% of our population is 'Patit' as per the Rehatnama and the rest are also nonchalant. But how does it matter? If we only infuse the spirit of humanity in ourselves and incorporate truthful living as shown by Guru Granth Sahib Ji without having a face of Khalsa would that make us less of Sikhs? For sure being intolerant and insensitive to fellow human beings is much bigger a vice. And maybe this attitude will one day restore our pride and we stop talking big about our historical heroes and start following them in action.
And casteism, which the great Guru took out of us, will never leave us whatever we do. Because we have lost the essence of Sikhism. We will always be Jats, Khatris, Tarkhaans etc. It is so painful that on one hand we are taught about universal brotherhood and on the other hand we have limited ourselves to our sirnames! We have definitely failed our Gurus. We are yet to learn to respect each other as human beings.

Khalistani · #6 (**permalink**) 18-Dec-2005, 08:03 AM

Sant Baba Jarnail Singh Ji possessed the bravery and courage of a Sikh that belonged to the armies of Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji and Guru Gobind Singh Ji. People call him a terrorist and an extremist. they call him that compared to today's norm. We forget that we all are required by our faith to stand up and fight back against oppression. We bow in front of our Immortal Guru that was bestowed upon us by Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. He fought against oppression and gave us the right to fight oppression...but only few have used that right to its full extent truthfully. One who has expressed that right was Sant Jarnail Singh Ji. Please research about him and read his speeches...please give you're opinion...Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh

hps62 · #7 (**permalink**) 18-Dec-2005, 10:23 AM

Yes true .

The only question to be answered is if it is correct to target innocent people who play subtle games as challenges against you. Violence should not be used rather subtlity is the answer.You dont need force to address these challenges. you need smartness and critical number of children to win this battle.

Acually he never understood the deeper game of some forces to create a wedge between India and sikhs whose first proud sons we are.

Now to question as to how to keep sikhie intact and its value ( as a of harbinger of change : as discussed by me in thread " Modern Sikh Soldier new enemies ,battlefields and weapons" ) in its old form will require lot of ingenuity from us.
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India is our mother and we son sikhs shall see to it that our mother is proud of us . India shall always live to glory which our forefathers wanted it to be and we shall be around to bask in that glory.

WGKWGF
BSNSSA

Dr HP Singh

vijaydeep Singh · #8 (**permalink**) 18-Dec-2005, 13:57 PM

Gurfateh

Das would like to say that as per Gurmat we have whole earth is mother.But as manifestation of Akal.So Mother,Father,earth all is Akal.

Next coming to Sant ji Das can say that neither him nor Baba Harnam Singh Ji are anti Hindu(here das means Hindu and Indian as same).

plamba · #9 (**permalink**) 22-Dec-2005, 23:18 PM

Those who are interested in an alternate viewpoint may wish to check out the following essay.
Jarnail Singh Bhindranwale: Five Myths
http://sikhtimes.com/bios_060604a.html
Puneet Singh Lamba
Boston, MA
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